another negligent shooting

[alexjones]

After that 9 year old boy died a few days ago now a 70 year old man in NSW has been shot when he and his 47 year old son were on a hunting trip securing their guns on the back of a ute when a round discharged from the sons gun.





https://www.9news.com.au/national/obero ... 4a56ad559c

[bigrich]

After that 9 year old boy died a few days ago now a 70 year old man in NSW has been shot when he and his 47 year old son were on a hunting trip securing their guns on the back of a ute when a round discharged from the sons gun.





https://www.9news.com.au/national/obero ... 4a56ad559c

an avoidable accident and more bad media coverage . i wonder how many people have been seriously injured or killed trail bike riding this year ? media won't waste time reporting that , but firearm related incidents are quick to make the news .

[alexjones]

After that 9 year old boy died a few days ago now a 70 year old man in NSW has been shot when he and his 47 year old son were on a hunting trip securing their guns on the back of a ute when a round discharged from the sons gun.





https://www.9news.com.au/national/obero ... 4a56ad559c

an avoidable accident and more bad media coverage . i wonder how many people have been seriously injured or killed trail bike riding this year ? media won't waste time reporting that , but firearm related incidents are quick to make the news .

Exactly mate. It brings more heat on us all. These two blokes are old enough to have known better.

I get it, nobody ever plans on getting shot so I know its an accident but it was an avoidable accident. I remember getting a hiding from my dad as a boy for a negligent discharge and since then gun safety is always at the forefront of my mind.

[perentie]

On the law of averages these AD,s must be happening very often but not reported because no one died.
So one death a week. so how many near misses?

[alexjones]

On the law of averages these AD,s must be happening very often but not reported because no one died.
So one death a week. so how many near misses?

Well we know that in America due to the FBI data over 800 die a year due to gun related accidents. But those accidents are not always applicable to us in Australia due to our laws. Such as cleaning a loaded gun and it goes off or pulling the trigger whilst the gun is concealed in your holster etc.

[noneyabussiness]

they want to push " tougher gun laws " , what better way than hype up accidents... like back in the day we need guns if safes when not in use ( reasonable) vs. it's needs to withstand a nuclear explosion to be legal ( today)

As has been said, they are unfortunate and avoidable... but I'm sure it will be used in the proverbial " frog in a pan ".

[Wapiti]

Now before someone jumps on me, I'm not accusing anyone involved in any of these accidents in the below. Because the media just spins truths into lies or mixes everything up and who knows what is fact.

The amount of shooting rigs I see rocking up into my area on trailers, pulled up at the servos and in the Macca-vomit carparks that have custom buggies with frames all around, boxes to hold multiple firearms overhanging the roofs of chopped utes made for just shooting off is pathetic.
There's a shotty for the close stuff, a plethora of the latest pump or button fast-firing centrefires, a varmint gun etc.

I used to see them on my joint (absolutely banned now), my neighbours, infesting the roads blasting up and down trying to make up for being born with small plumbing. I've been the unfortunate invitee on a few, different people on different places, and no more. The way people jostle to get into the action, guns coming in and out of boxes with god-knows a round in the chamber but certainly full magazines, morons reaching around each other to get the shot.
F**k being the idiots in the cab underneath these clowns.
None will ever be in my presence ever again, and anyone who thinks that's quite an ok way to operate hasn't the attitude to be within range of me or anyone else I know ever again.

These incidents are not accidents, they are a sequence of really retarded decisions, procedural, behavioural and safety failures and who isn't surprised when people get shot. And the consequences are just another nail in the coffin statistic to make it harder for gun owners in the future.

[Robin]

Gun rights are precariously balanced, with the media eager to sensationalize any incident. This negativity shapes public opinion, especially among non-gun owners, who worry about U.S.-style firearm issues emerging here. Politicians often exploit these concerns to target responsible, law-abiding gun owners.

Although car accidents claim more lives each year than firearm-related incidents, the media tends to ignore this because it lacks the dramatic appeal. Instead, they focus on stories that draw more attention and engagement.

Our cultural stance on firearms is vastly different from that of the U.S., but the general public may not see it that way. When individuals act recklessly and ignore safety protocols, their behavior can lead to consequences that unjustly affect responsible gun owners who adhere to the rules.

[Oldbloke]

This file is from the Australia Bureau of Statistics.

If you down load it and change the extension name to .xls it will work. I did that to cheat the system here.

Lots of stat's on deaths in AU.
Drowings, roads, wow. Firearms not counting suicide,,, boring.

2022_1 Underlying causes of death (Australia).pdf

(679.08 KiB) Downloaded 488 times

[Robin]

This file is from the Australia Bureau of Statistics.

If you down load it and change the extension name to .xls it will work. I did that to cheat the system here.

Lots of stat's on deaths in AU.
Drowings, roads, wow. Firearms not counting suicide,,, boring.

2022_1 Underlying causes of death (Australia).pdf

Guns often become an easy target for criticism, even though the real issues largely stem from a small minority of irresponsible individuals or criminals who disregard the law. These occurrences are infrequent, yet firearms are often singled out. Interestingly, cars cause more deaths annually than guns, yet there's a greater fear of firearms compared to vehicles. This fear typically arises from isolated incidents involving something uncommon, which subsequently leads to it being perceived as inherently harmful.

[bladeracer]

Guns often become an easy target for criticism, even though the real issues largely stem from a small minority of irresponsible individuals or criminals who disregard the law. These occurrences are infrequent, yet firearms are often singled out. Interestingly, cars cause more deaths annually than guns, yet there's a greater fear of firearms compared to vehicles. This fear typically arises from isolated incidents involving something uncommon, which subsequently leads to it being perceived as inherently harmful.

I drummed into my daughter from age ten that the most dangerous thing she will ever do during her life is get into a vehicle on a public road. Anything else she does, swim with sharks, skydiving, motorcycle racing, and shooting activities, will all be safer than a public road.

[deye243]

After that 9 year old boy died a few days ago now a 70 year old man in NSW has been shot when he and his 47 year old son were on a hunting trip securing their guns on the back of a ute when a round discharged from the sons gun.





https://www.9news.com.au/national/obero ... 4a56ad559c

I'm actually happy to see that you wrote negligent and not accidental you sir are correct

[Die Judicii]

After that 9 year old boy died a few days ago now a 70 year old man in NSW has been shot when he and his 47 year old son were on a hunting trip securing their guns on the back of a ute when a round discharged from the sons gun.





https://www.9news.com.au/national/obero ... 4a56ad559c

an avoidable accident and more bad media coverage . i wonder how many people have been seriously injured or killed trail bike riding this year ? media won't waste time reporting that , but firearm related incidents are quick to make the news .

Yeah, your not wrong there (trail bike riding)
Not far from where I live there is a trail bike/competition track at which there was a death recently.
My partner works at a nearby hospital and she tells me that on some weekends there seems to be a constant stream of broken arms,
broken legs, broken collar bones and the likes in the ER,,,,,, all of which come from that track.

It is so bad that there was a call to have the venue closed permanently in recent times,,,,,,, but I don't know what the outcome was.

[Wapiti]

How's this for a coincidence. I left the shed at 7.15 and a huge chopper with christmas tree lights and a big landing spotlight was doing a circuit over a distant hill on the neighbours joint, where they put a donga and all the blow-in miners on R&R camp. And then flared and landed and shut down. It was a rescue chopper, same as the ones that land at all the hospitals and road accidents out here. Someone has screwed up.
My campers told me there were up to 20 shots semi-auto rifle in a row coming from that hilltop over the last two days, 20 shots, 10, 15, all big numbers, and I just had a call from the neighbour on the other side if I had had any trouble from all the semi-auto shooting.
I wonder what happened.
Oops.

[Wapiti]

Not far from where I live there is a trail bike/competition track at which there was a death recently.
My partner works at a nearby hospital and she tells me that on some weekends there seems to be a constant stream of broken arms,
broken legs, broken collar bones and the likes in the ER,,,,,, all of which come from that track.
It is so bad that there was a call to have the venue closed permanently in recent times,,,,,,, but I don't know what the outcome was.

It's a legal business, they have all the rules and regs in place and spend big money on insurance. There have been a number of riders killed there, and more now sit in wheelchairs and eat from straws.
I guess their fees cover these costs.
And we can't get quality Yamaha and Honda Quad bikes because of stupid laws, when my wife tells me that she sees more two-wheeled bike deaths and quadriplegics than quad bike users in the ER, ever.

[noneyabussiness]

Seriously, understand why grubberment bans everything... People are HUMAN and make mistakes. Yes, we do our absolute best to prevent them, but they will still happen.

this person may be an absolute stickler for the rules and this may even be his first ever, and because of a simple yet disastrous mistake, he's looking at punishment.. which is fine as it's deserved and will go through the " justice system,"(LOL) but seriously who of us can say we've NEVER made a mistake with firearms?? who ?? So get off your high horses and rally around each other... they are already going to pull us apart, don't fuel it..

[alexjones]

If the old man does not want to press charges on his own son for the accident then I don't see why the government should. Another reason this country sucks is they don't like it when people make their own choices.

[Robin]

Seriously, understand why grubberment bans everything... People are HUMAN and make mistakes. Yes, we do our absolute best to prevent them, but they will still happen.

this person may be an absolute stickler for the rules and this may even be his first ever, and because of a simple yet disastrous mistake, he's looking at punishment.. which is fine as it's deserved and will go through the " justice system,"(LOL) but seriously who of us can say we've NEVER made a mistake with firearms?? who ?? So get off your high horses and rally around each other... they are already going to pull us apart, don't fuel it..

Human error is inevitable, but when mistakes stem from sheer neglect and laziness, they become a serious issue. Such actions tarnish the reputation of our sport. Do I want to loose my firearms due to someone else's negligence and laziness? Absolutely not. Should this individual be held accountable and serve as an example? I believe so. It would emphasize the importance of responsibility and demonstrate that there are dedicated gun owners who genuinely care about the integrity of their sport.

[noneyabussiness]

but did it stem from " neglect or laziness " ?? would you believe that media outlet? everyone's quick to pass judgement on hearsay...

instead we should be rooting for actual justice and yes, take it as a reminder that our sport CAN be dangerous if neglect or laziness become paramount...

[Bugman]

As far as the OP goes, I think it would be best to wait for result of the enquiry. I know I will.

[Wapiti]

That's the best advice, wait for a credible report on what happened. We can't pick and choose the bits from the media we love to jump on,
whilst at the same time get all wound up about all the obvious agendas and lies they spin elsewhere.

[Oldbloke]

As far as the OP goes, I think it would be best to wait for result of the enquiry. I know I will.

Wise man.

Just as an aside. I may be wrong. But my count is 6 drownings over Easter.

[bigrich]

If the old man does not want to press charges on his own son for the accident then I don't see why the government should. Another reason this country sucks is they don't like it when people make their own choices.

the mentality seems to be, guvment knows best , take away freedom to choose so we don't hurt ourselves . and unfortunately a lot of city soft c*cks support this type of guvment . especially if it doesn't affect them
i was talking to my uncle in rural victoria about the manchette ban recently . he reckons" good , i don't need one, doesn't affect me" ." but uncle" says i," instead of making criminals accountable for their actions , the guvment are banning stuff ,so the 99% who do the right thing are penalised". "oh well , doesn't affect me", he repeats . with this sort of attitude , this country's not going in a good direction FFS

[fussy]

the mentality seems to be, guvment knows best , take away freedom to choose so we don't hurt ourselves . :

Except covid, vaccines, drink-driving, helmets "Let those who ride decide" etc.