Libs/Nationals split.

[Bugman]

Could be hard times ahead now that this has happened. I don't think Labor is going to do us shooters, farmers etc any favours any time soon. The coalition, imo, were the only team that could truly manage the economy. Are we done for or am I "doom and glooming" too soon.?

[bigrich]

i look forward to voting No1 for nationals in the next election . they did a lot for queensland back in the day . one nation will never loose the "racist" tag with mainstream voters . the nationals (i hope) will appeal to conservative mainstream voters and rally national patriotism . i bloody hope . the countries going to sh!t and i can't believe the sheeple voted labor in again

[Billo]

Could be hard times ahead now that this has happened. I don't think Labor is going to do us shooters, farmers etc any favours any time soon. The coalition, imo, were the only team that could truly manage the economy. Are we done for or am I "doom and glooming" too soon.?

I thought Labor manage to get all the Chinese seafood and agriculture bans lifted the Liberals gave farmers ??

[bigrich]

Could be hard times ahead now that this has happened. I don't think Labor is going to do us shooters, farmers etc any favours any time soon. The coalition, imo, were the only team that could truly manage the economy. Are we done for or am I "doom and glooming" too soon.?

I thought Labor manage to get all the Chinese seafood and agriculture bans lifted the Liberals gave farmers ??

at what price ? the chinese use trade as a tactic to bully and coerce governments like ours into doing what they want . there's other markets . relying on the chinese for trade is a two edged sword . JMHO

[Oldbloke]

Never put all your eggs in one basket.

[Billo]

Could be hard times ahead now that this has happened. I don't think Labor is going to do us shooters, farmers etc any favours any time soon. The coalition, imo, were the only team that could truly manage the economy. Are we done for or am I "doom and glooming" too soon.?

I thought Labor manage to get all the Chinese seafood and agriculture bans lifted the Liberals gave farmers ??

at what price ? the chinese use trade as a tactic to bully and coerce governments like ours into doing what they want . there's other markets . relying on the chinese for trade is a two edged sword . JMHO

Seems they take all our coal and steel too, dont know what our standard of living would be like without all that bullying

[deye243]

Well we now definitely have six or nine years of labour because there's no way known in Hellthatr Liberal could beat them on their own they are absolutely dog s*** useless they still can't even come out with a policy that matters

[Sarco]

I don't think that Nats had a choice but to split.
The libs have continued along the path of Labor Light and have been slaughtered at the polls. To me it appears that outside the cities (of course) the Nats have done well, including in my local electorate nearly knocking of the sitting labor member in a seat that they have held for years and years (Bendigo).

[wanneroo]

Yes, that is the problem, the Liberals are just a slightly warmer version of Labor.

What do they stand for, nobody really knows, they are just squishes in the middle trying to make everyone happy and instead being hated for it.

We saw this in the recent Canadian election, the conservative guy talked all tough until 2 months before the election and then wimped out and went from polling as a blowout win to losing. These people never learn that pandering never works. People want someone with a backbone.

As a politician you have to understand you cannot make everyone happy. Ultimately you have to have some leadership. Use the knowledge and experience you have and make a decision.

[bigrich]

Could be hard times ahead now that this has happened. I don't think Labor is going to do us shooters, farmers etc any favours any time soon. The coalition, imo, were the only team that could truly manage the economy. Are we done for or am I "doom and glooming" too soon.?

I thought Labor manage to get all the Chinese seafood and agriculture bans lifted the Liberals gave farmers ??

at what price ? the chinese use trade as a tactic to bully and coerce governments like ours into doing what they want . there's other markets . relying on the chinese for trade is a two edged sword . JMHO

Seems they take all our coal and steel too, dont know what our standard of living would be like without all that bullying

i read a news article yesterday about gas shortages in this country , whereas 40% percent of the gas we sell to the japanese is being on sold by them for one billion dollar profits in SE Asia. WTF ? why aren't we the ones making the billion for this country ? we do this with our resources , instead of manufacturing in this country . free trade agreements aren't in this country's best interests at times . this is why trump is doing what he's doing to look after his country .since john howards free trade agreement in '96 , dropping import tarrifs, i've watched manufacturing die a long slow death . we import everything now . that has a direct effect on cost of living . labor's killed live export in WA , which has screwed a lot of graziers and was a big earner for that state

[bigrich]

Yes, that is the problem, the Liberals are just a slightly warmer version of Labor.

What do they stand for, nobody really knows, they are just squishes in the middle trying to make everyone happy and instead being hated for it.

We saw this in the recent Canadian election, the conservative guy talked all tough until 2 months before the election and then wimped out and went from polling as a blowout win to losing. These people never learn that pandering never works. People want someone with a backbone.

As a politician you have to understand you cannot make everyone happy. Ultimately you have to have some leadership. Use the knowledge and experience you have and make a decision.

spot on

[womble]

Well they haven’t stood for liberalism since pre Johnny.

They’re finished. They were finished with Scomo but Murdock just kept bringing them back and making them seem like a viable option.
No one’s buying it anymore. Our commercial media is no better than the US nowadays.

The unfortunate reality is we’re now stuck in a one party state. Which is not good for democracy and therefore not good for freedom. Expect to see a decline in civil liberties.

The nationals have great regional support here in Victoria too. Which is great for primary industries. But unfortunately they’re quite vocally anti gun whenever a firearms bill is put forward.

I don’t see it as the same divorce that labor effected against the greens some years back. They genuinely hate each other now.
I think this is temporary until the libs remove the woman they have for a seat warmer. Then they’ll go to the next election with Angus and his pet aborigine.

[No1_49er]

i read a news article yesterday about gas shortages in this country , whereas 40% percent of the gas we sell to the japanese is being on sold by them for one billion dollar profits in SE Asia. WTF ? why aren't we the ones making the billion for this country ? we do this with our resources , instead of manufacturing in this country . free trade agreements aren't in this country's best interests at times . this is why trump is doing what he's doing to look after his country .since john howards free trade agreement in '96 , dropping import tarrifs, i've watched manufacturing die a long slow death . we import everything now . that has a direct effect on cost of living . labor's killed live export in WA , which has screwed a lot of graziers and was a big earner for that state

BR, that is an interesting observation.
But, I wonder how the sentiment can co-exist with the clamour for cheap goods from the likes of Temu, etc?
By "feeding the dragon", all of those "cheap" purchases are destroying the very "home-grown" manufacturing industries you lament.
You can't have it both ways!

[Wapiti]

Scomo didn't lose anything for us in the farming sector, as was naively suggested above. He just asked for an inquiry into the origins of the Wu Flu, and the Chinese threw their toys out of the cot and set out to punish him electorally by banning import of our primary production goods and stalling our coal in hugely expensive daily-rate shipping. They set out to engineer a lack of electoral support for him as punishment for daring to suggest it was them who were to blame - which as it turned out, they were.

A very clever move, seeing as they majority-funded the WHO and propped it up, and were seeking to make examples of anyone with the nuts to question their arrogance.
But the politically ignorant will always be sucked in.

All the "handsome boy" had to do was fellatio the Ping and get reversals, and get some free kicks. He hasn't done anything for PP in Australia.
Now, with their deliberately destructive "unrealised gains" tax, they will seek to bury the people who grow your food.

I think the Nats are being very strategic.
There can't be any argument that the Libs were undecided, cowardly and didn't represent their base whatsoever, so they lost mega votes.
Sussan Ley yesterday openly stated that they still don't know what they believe in, they are waiting for public sentiment to tell them where they should head. What, more Labor Lite? Can anyone now not see why they are losers?
The Nats stuck by the policies that stick up for rural Australia. Littleproud yesterday basically said that Urban city Australia was lost... and they are.

Labor have got in again with 34% of the primary vote. So 3/4 of Australians realise that they are human scum, who are only feathering their own nests.
The votes of country folk who prop up Australia will always be diluted by the "gimme more handouts, why are you taxing me" city leeches, whom either vote for socialist policies and whinge about the results or still believe the Greens care about the trees and butterflies.
The Nats, by doing this, will get some change here and the Libs will have to realise that they are almost irrelevant, and just might turn it around. I doubt it though.

[Wapiti]

So the news this morning on Sky has Sussan Ley saying that there will be no rejoining a coalition with the Nats considered before the next federal election.

She will go. If she isn't flushed, and a conservative leader with some nuts and charisma steps up, they are finished for the near future, at least before Australia collapses back to the depression conditions of pre-post-war.

[Billo]

Keep in mind the Nationals won only 3.8% of the national vote and the QLD LNP only 7%, they are nothing without the 20.8% Liberal vote.

As to where we go from here well Albo will surely go down as the Greatest Prime Minister this country has ever produced and Chalmers has done a pretty good job in arresting the Huge Debts the LNP handed him, thou the middle class welfare and the Great Gas giveaway Policy he inherited will need to be addressed in the not too distant future.

The Barley growers and grass fed Beef farmers I know are pretty happy having access back

[Oldbloke]

Dutton aligned himself with Trump. Crazier Trump's announcements got the lower Duttons polls went. Duttons comments about slashing the public service went down like a lead ballon. He committed suicide.
They are all crap, only care about them selves, don't give a sh1t about the voters or the future of the country.

[alexjones]

Keep in mind the Nationals won only 3.8% of the national vote and the QLD LNP only 7%, they are nothing without the 20.8% Liberal vote.

As to where we go from here well Albo will surely go down as the Greatest Prime Minister this country has ever produced and Chalmers has done a pretty good job in arresting the Huge Debts the LNP handed him, thou the middle class welfare and the Great Gas giveaway Policy he inherited will need to be addressed in the not too distant future.

The Barley growers and grass fed Beef farmers I know are pretty happy having access back

Albo the greatest PM? What the F!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alexjones]

I feel like if the Nats start campaigning on their own they will get more votes then being aligned to the commie liberals.

People YEARN for a real conservative party of freedom, guns and self reliance.

[bigrich]

I feel like if the Nats start campaigning on their own they will get more votes then being aligned to the commie liberals.

People YEARN for a real conservative party of freedom, guns and self reliance.

AHMEN to that !

Only problem is people’s interpretation varies on freedom and democracy…….

[womble]

Apart from gun control, what do the conservatives have to offer.

What else have they done for us to take pride in and flaunt that accomplishment.

The masses live hand to mouth here. What do they have to conserve.

They've taken enough. I don't want to lose the rest

[bigrich]

Apart from gun control, what do the conservatives have to offer.

What else have they done for us to take pride in and flaunt that accomplishment.

The masses live hand to mouth here. What do they have to conserve.

They've taken enough. I don't want to lose the rest

i've seen some great sounding rhetoric from matt canavan on focusing on stopping this country from going backwards. they just need to deliver good policy , which is where dutton failed . badly .

with the fastest slipping living standards , super low national productivity, rising national debt, ect , were going to end up like a south american banana republic if we keep going as we are . for the last 30 years ALL our politicians have been failing this nation and it's people , umm, i mean sheeple

[womble]

Well Howard is very unhappy about it so I’m pleased.

The NFA is not legally binding. It’s an agreement between states.
States still have complete control over their individual gun laws. Federation.

So if the NFA protagonists libs/nats fade away then their bulls**t fades with them. And that should pave the way for more rational laws and regulations.
It’s hard to keep up these days when a gun you legally own day is recategorised the next because of one extra round in a magazine or some bulls**t.
No reasoning behind it except they just like to keep chipping away.
And the greens are even losing inner city café latey suburbs to labor because a new generation wants to enjoy the bush. Camping, fishing, 4wd, hunting, trail bikes, horse rides whatever. Our youth have put the biggest nails in their coffin.

Each to their own but I’m a single issue voter and I would abstain rather than vote against my interests as is my constitutional right.

[womble]

I feel like if the Nats start campaigning on their own they will get more votes then being aligned to the commie liberals.

People YEARN for a real conservative party of freedom, guns and self reliance.

AHMEN to that !

Only problem is people’s interpretation varies on freedom and democracy…….

The simplest interpretation is you can’t have one without the other.

[bigrich]

i read a news article yesterday about gas shortages in this country , whereas 40% percent of the gas we sell to the japanese is being on sold by them for one billion dollar profits in SE Asia. WTF ? why aren't we the ones making the billion for this country ? we do this with our resources , instead of manufacturing in this country . free trade agreements aren't in this country's best interests at times . this is why trump is doing what he's doing to look after his country .since john howards free trade agreement in '96 , dropping import tarrifs, i've watched manufacturing die a long slow death . we import everything now . that has a direct effect on cost of living . labor's killed live export in WA , which has screwed a lot of graziers and was a big earner for that state

BR, that is an interesting observation.
But, I wonder how the sentiment can co-exist with the clamour for cheap goods from the likes of Temu, etc?
By "feeding the dragon", all of those "cheap" purchases are destroying the very "home-grown" manufacturing industries you lament.
You can't have it both ways!

that's why we used to have tariff's on imported goods ,to protect local manufacturing . but the average suburban potato head just wants the cheapest product as you say

[wanneroo]

Dutton aligned himself with Trump. Crazier Trump's announcements got the lower Duttons polls went. Duttons comments about slashing the public service went down like a lead ballon. He committed suicide.
They are all crap, only care about them selves, don't give a sh1t about the voters or the future of the country.

I think some tried to spin it that way and maybe there are people really that dumb that voted for someone based on the election in another country.

Dutton was just a weak bland "leader" with no backbone, no real direction. Again what do the Liberals stand for? No one knows. It's a slightly different version of the current blob in power, just the Uniparty.

[womble]

For me it was, if Dutton’s the leader then these guys must be dumb as dog s**t.

What he’s the best they’ve got now.

Kinda like the lib dems in the US . Like seriously, Kamala Harris . You can’t be serious.

I don’t really care for Albo much either. But the thing with him is it’s hard not to like him in person. He’s an incredibly gifted diplomat and makes friends with everyone. Even old sourpuss Trump likes him.

So see we got of easy on his tariff rampage because he didn’t want to make his friend sad. Because Albo’s response was to feel sad that his mate had back stabbed him.
He’s been very smart with foreign policy and it’s working. That lesbian lady is smart as a whip too. Maybe she has more cultural insights in our region. Basically Asia. I don’t know but we send her out and they can relate.

Personally I don’t like China but they don’t need to know that. We’re very clever. Smarty pants country for the win.
We don’t have the braun so we need to have some brains.

[Wapiti]

Well one thing is apparent.
The have-nots and the opinionated lounde-lizards turn to Labor to keep enabling their handouts and the country continues to fail downwards, and it's quickly running out of incentives to try and achieve.
The people who feel that more reward from hard work and good decisions are now the targets of this government who has the lazy and underachieving fooled.

I hope that those who contributed to this current failure of what once was an Australia that rewarded hard work are the ones who suffer the worst. In fact, wither and fail completely. But even then, they will find everything else to blame but themselves.

[Wapiti]

People need to remember that the Nats have their biggest supporters in the sparsely populated country areas.
It completely explains the low percentage of Nationals votes and how the people supporting them are just pushing sh*t uphill.
All the loudhailers who are either fed by, or want to shoot on, these peoples places have another agenda, themselves.

And those same people who voted Labor as number one are only 34% of voters. The preferences again from the clownshow put these creatures in power.
And in talking to other business owners who are real country, we all realise that the coalition with the Liberals and the hopeless mess they have become has made an Australia run by traitors yet again.

[bigrich]

I feel like if the Nats start campaigning on their own they will get more votes then being aligned to the commie liberals.

People YEARN for a real conservative party of freedom, guns and self reliance.

AHMEN to that !

Only problem is people’s interpretation varies on freedom and democracy…….

The simplest interpretation is you can’t have one without the other.

Sorry I was slow to respond, by my statement on democracy i mean it will vary between city people and country people, rich and poor, as perspective on what it is will vary due to life experiences and expectations.
Majority rules in a democracy, and if the majority don’t think we should have guns, then that’s what’ll happen. Freedom is when we can own guns regardless of the opinions of others.
JMHO