bigrich wrote:womble wrote:bigrich wrote:alexjones wrote:I feel like if the Nats start campaigning on their own they will get more votes then being aligned to the commie liberals.
People YEARN for a real conservative party of freedom, guns and self reliance.
AHMEN to that !
Only problem is people’s interpretation varies on freedom and democracy…….
The simplest interpretation is you can’t have one without the other.
Sorry I was slow to respond, by my statement on democracy i mean it will vary between city people and country people, rich and poor, as perspective on what it is will vary due to life experiences and expectations.
Majority rules in a democracy, and if the majority don’t think we should have guns, then that’s what’ll happen. Freedom is when we can own guns regardless of the opinions of others.
JMHO
It’s not all about majority rule. The democracy has to have a basis. Most western democracies are liberal democracies. Meaning they combine democratic principles with individual rights and freedoms. Usually based on a charter of rights.
There’s various versions of democracy and they can change and deviate depending on the leadership.
Australia has a representative democracy. Meaning our leaders can make decisions for us. So if we have conservative democracy that will be combined with conservative principles. Paternalistic or nanny state as we call it.
If we have a liberal democracy that is combined with liberal principles. Individual rights and freedoms.
When we have a labor government it’s moreso so a social democracy. Equality, equity, like access for all with health care, education, social services. Bob Hawke no child left behind as an example.
I’ll give you a better example with Dan Andrews in Victoria. He split the duck hunting season in half. Half for the shooters. Half for the greenies to walk around cradling dead ducks. So that’s equity. Fairness for all. Neither got a bigger piece of the banana. Half a banana each.
But also, neither got banned from existence.
The last liberal leader we had who was a liberal was Malcom Turnbull, who got us the Adler shotgun for example. But most liberal leaders have been conservatives based on Howard’s success or model.
They can still exercise “compassionate conservatism” though. Like Tony Abbot giving us gay marriage for example.
Ideally we need a charter or bill of rights to ensure we preserve a liberal democracy where no government can infringe on our rights.
Technically we had the English bill of rights. But John Howard overruled it with the NFA.
Now the states have individual charters for civil rights. I’m really only familiar with Victoria. I wouldn’t even venture into Western Australia unless I was forced to.
I don’t think we’re faced with a democracy that would ban guns entirely. I don’t think it would happen here. However it is possible.
that's a lefty tactic 
