Surely the Victorian cop killer wasn't registered?

[Jackaroo]

Sickening to read online that he's turning into some kind of modern day 'Ned Kelly'.

[bladeracer]

Explain what you mean by , " hike out through the bush " hike where . A reasonable fit person even in rugged country could do 5 k as the crow flies a day easily , more if he used tracks and ridge lines . 5 days could put him 25 k away from his abode or more .
I can't see the point in having a hideout too close to his home but I do agree he likely has one . Too easy to get spotted by someone if you do have to move about even after searching stops . He is either not in the bush at all or he is deep in the bush by now .
The NSW Police never caught Naden by searching although they did nearly get him , they caught him by gathering intel and predicting his movements and staking out likely places . It was the Military that caught him not the Police . Victorian bush is even thicker and more rugged than where Naden was in NSW and the weather harsher . It's a massive job .

To wherever he feels he can stay without being caught, and there can't be many places like that for him. I doubt he had 24hrs to run before the whole area was locked down, but perhaps Police didn't have enough people in the area to do a proper job of it that quickly.

I just think that the way he's been described (including by people that claim to know him well) makes me think of him as a nutjob that has been expecting something like this for a long time, and that sort of person is likely, in my opinion, to want to build a bolt hole in the bush. It does seem pointless to me though as he can't stay there indefinitely.

[bladeracer]

Sickening to read online that he's turning into some kind of modern day 'Ned Kelly'.

I have seen some reports trying to paint him as a hero. He's a psychopathic murderer and nothing more than that.

[Jackaroo]

"the alleged gunman told family he would “torture a cop for days and video it” in a disturbing text message".

https://www.news.com.au/national/victor ... 334d003728

A sick twisted individual, a stain on humanity.

[JohnV]

They hardly locked down the 10 k inner search area or the outer 15 k circle in 24 hours and there is no way they locked down the Alpine National Park to the South or Mount Buffalo to the South West at all . We already agreed that it's likely he has a prepared hideout . I agree he can't stay out in the bush long term he would need a resupply of something . However this guy could have like minded friends who once the heat is off they might take stuff too him . Maybe they can get his mobile phone records from previous years and identify locations he visited often in the bush , although cell tower coverage might be patchy in low places . I got a feeling they won't find him until they get some intel that trips him up .

[Die Judicii]

I cant believe you are defending a Kiddy fiddling piece of sh it, grow a brain and piss off from this forum, gutter rats like you are lower than scum

I’m sure we all feel the same way about Kiddy Fiddlers, but you need to get down off your soapbox and apologise to Wapiti. He was merely highlighting the way the powers to be (police and media) are working this thing. Far from defending the piece of s**t. Anyone with half a brain could see that Wapiti was in NO WAY defending the culprit.

[womble]

Explain what you mean by , " hike out through the bush " hike where . A reasonable fit person even in rugged country could do 5 k as the crow flies a day easily , more if he used tracks and ridge lines . 5 days could put him 25 k away from his abode or more .
I can't see the point in having a hideout too close to his home but I do agree he likely has one . Too easy to get spotted by someone if you do have to move about even after searching stops . He is either not in the bush at all or he is deep in the bush by now .
The NSW Police never caught Naden by searching although they did nearly get him , they caught him by gathering intel and predicting his movements and staking out likely places . It was the Military that caught him not the Police . Victorian bush is even thicker and more rugged than where Naden was in NSW and the weather harsher . It's a massive job .

I could do around 20- 25 k a day through there. (BladeRacer could prolly do about 40 )

But I don’t think he is. I think he was caught unprepared and took only what he could grab quickly. And that’s likely not enough for the conditions out there.

I think someone is hiding him. These people have a network and view themselves as some sort of deranged resistance movement. Some shared mass psychosis.
Some weird cooker conspiracy sympathy for him online with anti authority, anti police rhetoric. Pretty f***ed up. This bloke aint the victim. Left two families without dads. Well 3 including his own.
He’s probably right under their noses, but they can’t just search every house.
That’s assuming he’s still alive. I think even he knows there’s no future for him now. And probably topped himself.

[Bugman]

I cant believe you are defending a Kiddy fiddling piece of sh it, grow a brain and piss off from this forum, gutter rats like you are lower than scum

I’m sure we all feel the same way about Kiddy Fiddlers, but you need to get down off your soapbox and apologise to Wapiti. He was merely highlighting the way the powers to be (police and media) are working this thing. Far from defending the piece of s**t. Anyone with half a brain could see that Wapiti was in NO WAY defending the culprit.

Agreed.

[alexjones]

I always laugh how people just throw around the word “cooker” or “crazy” as a catch phrase.

Whilst they may be “crazy” in the everyday sense of the word they are more often than not highly intelligent, resourceful and cunning. You underestimate their resolve and their view on reality.

I would bet this bloke had a contingency plan for escape and evasion. He could be hiding out in a cave or mine shaft for months. Someone with this much hate for police and government would always be prepared for the day they come knocking.


Possible he even hid somewhere and killed himself. In his mind he would get a kick out of police looking for months for a dead body.

[Wapiti]

So now he used a home-made shotgun? That's what's being said on the news here.
7 days so far? Against balaclavas, helicopters and M4's with front vertical grips?
And the calls to restrict firearms further from this?
"Never let a political opportunity go to waste"
"We will act in times of political opportunity, and the dumbed down masses will fall at our feet in complete obedience"

[JohnV]

alexjones is correct , mental illness does not automatically mean a low IQ . Many nut cases can have a high IQ and be very resourceful , their mental illness can make them more driven and capable of doing extreme things that the average person would never do . Unibomber . Also they can be handsome and charming when required . Ted Bundy . I once worked with a guy who in a uniformed role and he suffered from paranoid delusions that he was being followed and under surveillance all the time . It got worse over time and eventfully they had to fire him . It was quite sad as other than that he was an ok guy as far as I knew . I think Dezi Freeman suffers a similar condition where he believes that the Police are out to get him but can't see that it's his behaviour that draws the Police attention to him . These kind of things never end well .

[bladeracer]

So now he used a home-made shotgun? That's what's being said on the news here.
7 days so far? Against balaclavas, helicopters and M4's with front vertical grips?
And the calls to restrict firearms further from this?
"Never let a political opportunity go to waste"
"We will act in times of political opportunity, and the dumbed down masses will fall at our feet in complete obedience"

I was at the pistol club on Wednesday morning when I heard it was a home-made shotgun. I can only guess the officers were right at the door when he murdered them as it would take him some time to reload it, perhaps it had more than one barrel though.

But whatever weapon he used we could always expect flak to come in our direction regardless - we are the target for new restrictions whenever violence happens.

[Die Judicii]

Did the government put any restrictions on vehicle ownership when any of those nutters decided to plough through a crowd of people with one ???? No,,, I didn’t think so.

[womble]

I am morbidly curious to see this home made shotgun that took out 3 armed policemen in a siege situation.

Not in any way denigrating our brave members who paid a high price.

But I'm having trouble believing it went down like that. With two killed, one seriously injured.

But your typical home made shotgun is fairly rudimentary single shot and doesn't aim particularly well.

Whatever happened I still believe he did it.

And I'm taking Alex's side in the catfight above.
Have to get into his head and see things the way he does. He's clearly deranged, but still a cunning adversary

[Die Judicii]

I am morbidly curious to see this home made shotgun that took out 3 armed policemen in a siege situation.

Not in any way denigrating our brave members who paid a high price.

But I'm having trouble believing it went down like that. With two killed, one seriously injured.

But your typical home made shotgun is fairly rudimentary single shot and doesn't aim particularly well.

Whatever happened I still believe he did it.

And I'm taking Alex's side in the catfight above.
Have to get into his head and see things the way he does. He's clearly deranged, but still a cunning adversary

I am morbidly curious to see this home made shotgun that took out 3 armed policemen in a siege situation.

Not in any way denigrating our brave members who paid a high price.

But I'm having trouble believing it went down like that. With two killed, one seriously injured.

But your typical home made shotgun is fairly rudimentary single shot and doesn't aim particularly well.

. Hey there Womble old mate,, in this particular instance i think you are lacking ingenuity, lateral thinking, and inventiveness. Why don’t you google “punt guns” and see what could’ve been fabricated and modified for his intended use. And lets all be thankful the idiot didn’t go down that pathway.

[CJRBOLTGUN1]

i thought we are all sovereign citizens, after all Australia is a sovereign nation is it not?

[alexjones]

The term sovereign citizen just seems like a contradiction to me. I don't really understand the term.

Unless it means you are the sovereign and the citizen and the two are different entities that share the same body. In essence like a split personality.

[womble]

I am morbidly curious to see this home made shotgun that took out 3 armed policemen in a siege situation.

Not in any way denigrating our brave members who paid a high price.

But I'm having trouble believing it went down like that. With two killed, one seriously injured.

But your typical home made shotgun is fairly rudimentary single shot and doesn't aim particularly well.

Whatever happened I still believe he did it.

And I'm taking Alex's side in the catfight above.
Have to get into his head and see things the way he does. He's clearly deranged, but still a cunning adversary

I am morbidly curious to see this home made shotgun that took out 3 armed policemen in a siege situation.

Not in any way denigrating our brave members who paid a high price.

But I'm having trouble believing it went down like that. With two killed, one seriously injured.

But your typical home made shotgun is fairly rudimentary single shot and doesn't aim particularly well.

. Hey there Womble old mate,, in this particular instance i think you are lacking ingenuity, lateral thinking, and inventiveness. Why don’t you google “punt guns” and see what could’ve been fabricated and modified for his intended use. And lets all be thankful the idiot didn’t go down that pathway.

Perhaps. But I don’t think he escaped by gondola, even with a canon mounted on it.

I was thinking this example from family friendly YouTube.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T9mr-o8QI ... bSBndW4%3D

[JohnV]

A sovereign nation is a political entity that has complete autonomy and self-determination over its internal and external affairs, characterized by defined territory, a permanent population, and a government free from foreign control. It is recognized as a legitimate nation by other states and operates independently within its borders.

[JohnV]

The term sovereign citizen just seems like a contradiction to me. I don't really understand the term.

Unless it means you are the sovereign and the citizen and the two are different entities that share the same body. In essence like a split personality.

How these individuals are defining and using the term Sovereign is in reference to themselves being their own masters and not bound by any laws of this country . It's just some kind of personal justification to break the law and do what ever they want . It's not working very well at all .

[fnq22]

Sickening to read online that he's turning into some kind of modern day 'Ned Kelly'.

I have seen some reports trying to paint him as a hero. He's a psychopathic murderer and nothing more than that.

Yep thats the long and short of it...

All the rest is just pointless waffle..

The only other thing worth mentioning is his obvious narcissistic disorder and what this event has brought down upon his very own family...

What sort of man stains his own family legacy and the lives of his immediate family, wife, children and future generations with this utter nonsense, plus the emotional toll he brought upon all the families of the victims he has created......

The moment someone claims to be a "Sovereign citizen" you automatically know thay are just an absolute selfish wanker with no regard for anyone but themselves.....

[Die Judicii]

Womble,,,,,, You’ve completely missed my point,, Somebody (maybe you) mentioned that maybe he met the officers at the door with his home made shotgun and inferred that is how he managed to do what he did. After your “morbid” curiosity,,, my point was that luckily the idiot didn’t make a bastardization of a punt gun,,, and take out all ten officers. The particular punt gun arrangement i was referring to was NOT a single barreled monster. They were typically either 8 or 10 gauge shotties mounted side by side and numbering up to ten or twelve of them. With cord threaded through the triggers the whole lot could be fired almost simultaneously. Usually they were loaded with anything from ball bearings, nails, or just fragments of steel, and were capable of killing 40 - 60 waterfowl in one single detonation. Certainly not something that ten unsuspecting police officers would choose to be facing in an ambush situation.

[womble]

You don’t think he escaped by gondola then.
Well that’s particularly nasty. I think I’d call that a home made claymore.

[Wapiti]

I haven't bothered reading any posts here for a few days before putting up my own, because I'm just not going to respond to dribble. But tghere must be some sane people on here, surely.

Someone's helping Dezi apparently. How else could he keep ahead of "Victoria's best"? Maybe re-assess that BS.
The "best" in society do not king-hit people and put them in comas for not wanting Dan's (now proven) poison injection, and all of the other unacceptable behaviour.
More political social engineering.

I'm not condoning what he did, of course what he did was unacceptable and to me it's obviously not a "suicide by police" or he wouldn't be doing a runner either. What he did just doesn't achieve anything. But can't anybody see this as another inevitable outcome from people who have just had enough of the bullying and forced compliance in Victoria?

But I'm still laughing at the metamorphosis in the gullible media, who just parrot the BS coming from the "powers that be", all designed to demonise people and make sure that social engineering continues. Now the bloke must be being assisted, because he was too amateur at the start to escape the far-too-superior authorities, right?

I still take this stuff with a grain of salt. How many celebrities for example, both here and internationally have spoken against the ridiculous government incompetence both federal and state, and been demonised and vilified by sudden claims designed to marginalise them in the eyes of the pubic? Just think for a minute.

When they are doing it to you as firearms owners, you scream. But when they get into someone else, you all believe every word and get all emotional and reactionary. Some of you would believe the shy is red if the government said it.

[Wapiti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx5xHmBPTXg

[JohnV]

I haven't bothered reading any posts here for a few days before putting up my own, because I'm just not going to respond to dribble. But tghere must be some sane people on here, surely.

Someone's helping Dezi apparently. How else could he keep ahead of "Victoria's best"? Maybe re-assess that BS.
The "best" in society do not king-hit people and put them in comas for not wanting Dan's (now proven) poison injection, and all of the other unacceptable behaviour.
More political social engineering.

I'm not condoning what he did, of course what he did was unacceptable and to me it's obviously not a "suicide by police" or he wouldn't be doing a runner either. What he did just doesn't achieve anything. But can't anybody see this as another inevitable outcome from people who have just had enough of the bullying and forced compliance in Victoria?

But I'm still laughing at the metamorphosis in the gullible media, who just parrot the BS coming from the "powers that be", all designed to demonise people and make sure that social engineering continues. Now the bloke must be being assisted, because he was too amateur at the start to escape the far-too-superior authorities, right?

I still take this stuff with a grain of salt. How many celebrities for example, both here and internationally have spoken against the ridiculous government incompetence both federal and state, and been demonised and vilified by sudden claims designed to marginalise them in the eyes of the pubic? Just think for a minute.

When they are doing it to you as firearms owners, you scream. But when they get into someone else, you all believe every word and get all emotional and reactionary. Some of you would believe the shy is red if the government said it.

Just your drivel but it ignores two dead Police officers . I don't think you have a clue of how hard the job is to find Dezi Freeman . The Police are not super human and it's an almost impossible job . No matter what complaints Dezi had about alleged harrasmant it does not justify what he did .

[bladeracer]

Just your drivel but it ignores two dead Police officers . I don't think you have a clue of how hard the job is to find Dezi Freeman . The Police are not super human and it's an almost impossible job . No matter what complaints Dezi had about alleged harrasmant it does not justify what he did .

I haven't seen anybody trying to justify it, here or anywhere else, not even his friends and family are justifying it. There are a few nutjobs trying to claim he's the one that's been wronged but I haven't even seen those trying to say murdering anybody was justified.

[Jackaroo]

What sort of man stains his own family legacy

I don't think this Centrelink leech had much family legacy to stain, he is (or was) a s**t stain on humanity way before he became a cold blooded multiple murderer.

[womble]

Slap a reward up and his friends will go for the money.

This search would be costing much more.

Just give them monopoly money and call it sovereign currency

[alexjones]

This news said he fired multiple weapons “including” a homemade shotgun. So who knows what he used and what allegedly killed the police.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=snwKc2 ... e=youtu.be