Castle law Victoria

[womble]

Pressure is on. Finally. Goes before parliament on Wednesday.

Public is fed up down here.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-10/crossbench-self-defence-law-reform-home-invasions/105633792

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NkDJBiB2PNs

[Wapiti]

Statues of Dan. Farmers fined $12K for not letting swindle factory interlopers onto their land to steal it for the leftist city voting scum. DESPITE biosecurity laws. Public hid in their homes during the Covid with nary a squeak, religiously complying even though they knew it was a lie.
Police paid overtime to sit in speed camera cars instead of investigating the backlog of home invasions by imported human trash.
No, not a chance.
You will do as you're told, and stick your arse in the air.

[deye243]

Never going to happen in the true sense you do anything to protect yourself what is the bet you will still go through the inconvenience of being charged which has all sorts of implications.
They will just reiterate that equal force clap trap

[womble]

Nothing ever happens if you don’t try.

Petition is up https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/get-involved/petitions/amend-self-defence-laws

[Wapiti]

Sane people, proposing sane alternatives and solutions to problems caused by the government and police. Solutions that would actually have positive outcomes for the people.
Australia is becoming a prison.
10/10 for the courage to try.

[No1_49er]

There is a similar petition in Queensland that is open for signing until 24th Oct. Currently has almost 65,000 signatures https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work- ... ls?id=4267
To those people who parrot the "tell him he's dreaming" phrase, I would say that there will be a number of pollies who just might take some notice of that much drive from our fraternity.

[deye243]

Nothing ever happens if you don’t try.

Petition is up https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/get-involved/petitions/amend-self-defence-laws

Well the review for Victoria just got knocked on the head today

[womble]

Missed it by one vote.

It’s not over.

NSW now also has a petition.

[No1_49er]

Seems to be gaining traction around the States.
Just maybe, some politicians are beginning to realise that they are in their lofty positions because we put them there to do as we ask of them.
They are our servants.

Silly me; what am I thinking?

[Wapiti]

Castle law means that if you find an intruder on your property, no matter how big or small, that is armed,
And that you believe is a threat to you, that you can respond with an identical means as to how the intruder is equipped?

Wow. That means that if a farmer found someone trespassing on their joint, armed with a firearm, that they could respond first with the same type of threat that they could have used on them? Should the land owner wait until the firearm carried by the poacher is used on them, or used to threaten them before having to act? Nope.

[alexjones]

Trespassing can be a hard one to prove in the legal sense. I won a court case against the police for a trespass charge.

Thank god for my kings council barrister. Cost me a fortune but I won.

Seeing someone on your land does not constitute trespassing in Queensland. There must be warnings, notices, cautions etc.

So under castle law you cant just shoot someone for being on your land. Unless they redefine that law.

[fnq22]

Castle law means that if you find an intruder on your property, no matter how big or small, that is armed,
And that you believe is a threat to you, that you can respond with an identical means as to how the intruder is equipped?

Wow. That means that if a farmer found someone trespassing on their joint, armed with a firearm, that they could respond first with the same type of threat that they could have used on them? Should the land owner wait until the firearm carried by the poacher is used on them, or used to threaten them before having to act? Nope.

No mate..castle law doesnt mean you can just blow away anyone poaching in your back paddock..

If they are trying to break into your home, though, then blast away...

[womble]

It’s basically just stand your ground. No duty of retreat and necessary force. It’s not a right to kill somebody in your home. I don’t think any reasonable person would want to live with that.

But you would be able to use whatever force necessary to stop the threat including lethal force.

It’s really the deterrent factor that we direly need. And it’s an effective real time deterrent. There are potentially immediate consequences if someone or a group chooses to break into your home.

There’s petitions in three states currently. VIC , QLD, NSW

Will link petitions in a new thread. Share them if you will.

[Wapiti]

Castle law means that if you find an intruder on your property, no matter how big or small, that is armed,
And that you believe is a threat to you, that you can respond with an identical means as to how the intruder is equipped?

Wow. That means that if a farmer found someone trespassing on their joint, armed with a firearm, that they could respond first with the same type of threat that they could have used on them? Should the land owner wait until the firearm carried by the poacher is used on them, or used to threaten them before having to act? Nope.

No mate..castle law doesnt mean you can just blow away anyone poaching in your back paddock..

If they are trying to break into your home, though, then blast away...

I can see it now.
It'd be like a hilarious Monty Python sketch from way back, except pointless and wouldn't solve or societies problems at all.

You're watching the thieves looting your farm sheds and workshops from your only castle, your house.
"Go away, or I'll start using profanities at you"
Whilst the grubs know that they can STILL do whatever you want, and give you the finger.

Or, you hear noises in your sheds and investigate. The grubs set upon you, and you cannot shoot them because they are not inside your "castle".
Whilst your family members try and call the cops, which are an hour's drive (at best) away. They can't come because their after-hours overtime is expressly for sitting in, and protecting from vandalism, speed camera vans that collect revenue.
But hang on, they refuse to come out when we ring them about armed poachers anyway.

No, someone with a firearm on your property, is a threat with a firearm to you.
Do you wait until the simple trespasser (with a loaded firearm) uses it on you to escape being caught?

No, that's not how it works.

[fnq22]

Pretty convoluted sets of circumstances you are talking about there mate..though i would take castle law to assume that if you feel your life and that of your family is genuinily in danger then you could mount a good case for self defence....

The blokes robbing your sheds, though, well it would depend on many factors on what would constitute reasonable force against them..

You know the cops would ask why you left the safety of your "castle" to confront them rather then calling 911 and waiting for the police to arrive...

We had a similar situation where long time bully banana farmer neighbors were tresspassing after I shooed their kids off our land on their 4 wheelers and they left the bikes behind and ran...Neighbor and a worker armed with a machete came to retreive the bikes..i said fuk off and wait for the cops...they tried to continue on and after a bit of push and shove instigated by them not backing off or leaving, my missus jumped in and cracked the guy in the head with a crowbar..

Long story short ..we would have lost our property with the costs of mounting a defence against the GBH charge so she plead guilty....

The cops were absolute Kunts to us despite the fact that we were just minding our own business on our own property.....I honestly couldnt beleive that she was the one charged..They even took my crowbar as evidence but not the machete of the other guy who wasnt there when the cops arrived...

The laws are just a minefield man and even if you are just protecting your property under "castle law" your shooting someone in your shed scenario would likely bankrupt you trying to defend yourself..

[womble]

You stay in the house.

Send wife out to shed with crowbar.

Police arrive on scene.

I do not know this woman.

[bigrich]

Pretty convoluted sets of circumstances you are talking about there mate..though i would take castle law to assume that if you feel your life and that of your family is genuinily in danger then you could mount a good case for self defence....

The blokes robbing your sheds, though, well it would depend on many factors on what would constitute reasonable force against them..

You know the cops would ask why you left the safety of your "castle" to confront them rather then calling 911 and waiting for the police to arrive...

We had a similar situation where long time bully banana farmer neighbors were tresspassing after I shooed their kids off our land on their 4 wheelers and they left the bikes behind and ran...Neighbor and a worker armed with a machete came to retreive the bikes..i said fuk off and wait for the cops...they tried to continue on and after a bit of push and shove instigated by them not backing off or leaving, my missus jumped in and cracked the guy in the head with a crowbar..

Long story short ..we would have lost our property with the costs of mounting a defence against the GBH charge so she plead guilty....

The cops were absolute Kunts to us despite the fact that we were just minding our own business on our own property.....I honestly couldnt beleive that she was the one charged..They even took my crowbar as evidence but not the machete of the other guy who wasnt there when the cops arrived...

The laws are just a minefield man and even if you are just protecting your property under "castle law" your shooting someone in your shed scenario would likely bankrupt you trying to defend yourself..

sadly , this is reality in a lot of cases . regardless of the law, crims seem to have more rights , and some cops don't like people sticking up for themselves one little bit .
i do however remember a event probably over 30 years ago, springwood QLD , where a teenager broke into a home late at night armed with a bat . he got the wrong house and a gun owner shot him dead . gun owner claimed self defence and was acquitted . dunno if he lost his firearms license , but he'd have to live with killing someone in his loungeroom . if your family was being threatened it would be a choice most would make , but there's consequences to live with.

some of the goings on out in the regions i hear of , i'm surprised more people don't go missing . maybe some of the ratbags are given a lift to the "train station" , i suppose inaction by law enforcement has the potential to lead to vigilante justice . criminals need to be held to account to avoid things descending into this situation . i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for political action

[Wapiti]

That's why the intention of castle law has been put up by fed-up courageous people.

Because currently you will be charged GBH, murder or whatever, if you do the right thing in protecting your precious family or life's work and the result is to unintentionally kill a grub who has come onto your "castle" with ill intentions.
You know then, that you will spend everything you own, your life's work, in defending yourself in court.
While the cops that charged you will not ever face the law, even if they shoot someone that is armed with a knife, or a paddle-pop stick, because they breath better quality air than you, and have prostituted themselves for a life of serving the corrupt. The politicians. Even taking into account the fact that they definitely are not better citizens than you, or contribute anything to society.

Anyone who has any brain cells can look back into the recent past to see so many instances of how, beautiful Australians have been killed by grubs coming onto their places. Grubs let out by (edited*) judges after hurting innocent people weeks or even days prior.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6?
And, "having to live with the thought of having killed someone in your loungeroom"?
Really? Sorry, but man up.
I'm not at all trying to offend anyone here but:

Some of you blokes will go out and voluntarily kill a pig, dog, fox whatever, and tell yourselves that you are crusaders for the environment.
These animals, although guilty, didn't ask to be born and be pests, they are just trying to survive, to exist.
The "superior" human beings that would come into your house or onto your land, armed, are doing it deliberately, and are evil f**ked up scum that would deliberately kill you, your wife or your kids, only to be protected as "victims" by the (edited*) in the wigs.
And if you belted the life out of one of these monsters, you would be tormented forever by it?
Well then, stand back and accept the consequences to your family, or someone else's.
Because you can see what is happening now.
Personally, I could not live with that myself. I would rather be the one killed by an intruder, rather than have cowardly allowed one of my family to be the victim of a government protected criminal grub while I did nothing, for fear of being judged myself.

If anyone has any brain cells whatsoever, they will realise that to stop this, they have to give the power back to the would-be victims.

As I've said, I don't see Castle Law being enacted, because the way politics is engineering society now, they cannot allow a society to make decisions and morals for itself. Politicians, or rather narcissists, need total engineering control.
Controlling every aspect of your life, rather than improving it, is what narcissists do. You have to do what you're told, or be punished.

[MG5150]

Apparently, two police officers shot dead and a 3rd injured today... What are the chances of that happening the day before Castle Law is debated in parliament?

[bigrich]

That's why the intention of castle law has been put up by fed-up courageous people.

Because currently you will be charged GBH, murder or whatever, if you do the right thing in protecting your precious family or life's work and the result is to unintentionally kill a grub who has come onto your "castle" with ill intentions.
You know then, that you will spend everything you own, your life's work, in defending yourself in court.
While the cops that charged you will not ever face the law, even if they shoot someone that is armed with a knife, or a paddle-pop stick, because they breath better quality air than you, and have prostituted themselves for a life of serving the corrupt. The politicians. Even taking into account the fact that they definitely are not better citizens than you, or contribute anything to society.

Anyone who has any brain cells can look back into the recent past to see so many instances of how, beautiful Australians have been killed by grubs coming onto their places. Grubs let out by (edited*) judges after hurting innocent people weeks or even days prior.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6?
And, "having to live with the thought of having killed someone in your loungeroom"?
Really? Sorry, but man up.
I'm not at all trying to offend anyone here but:

Some of you blokes will go out and voluntarily kill a pig, dog, fox whatever, and tell yourselves that you are crusaders for the environment.
These animals, although guilty, didn't ask to be born and be pests, they are just trying to survive, to exist.
The "superior" human beings that would come into your house or onto your land, armed, are doing it deliberately, and are evil f**ked up scum that would deliberately kill you, your wife or your kids, only to be protected as "victims" by the (edited*) in the wigs.
And if you belted the life out of one of these monsters, you would be tormented forever by it?
Well then, stand back and accept the consequences to your family, or someone else's.
Because you can see what is happening now.
Personally, I could not live with that myself. I would rather be the one killed by an intruder, rather than have cowardly allowed one of my family to be the victim of a government protected criminal grub while I did nothing, for fear of being judged myself.

If anyone has any brain cells whatsoever, they will realise that to stop this, they have to give the power back to the would-be victims.

As I've said, I don't see Castle Law being enacted, because the way politics is engineering society now, they cannot allow a society to make decisions and morals for itself. Politicians, or rather narcissists, need total engineering control.
Controlling every aspect of your life, rather than improving it, is what narcissists do. You have to do what you're told, or be punished.

quite a passionate response mate , and i agree with what your saying . i don't see myself as a "environmental crusader" , although eradicating ferals does help things , including folks who make a living off the land . i consider being as humane as possible when hunting .
taking a life is a serious thing to me , defending your loved one's is a no brainer , but at the very least i'd consider it a sad tragedy taking a life that shouldn't have to happen . knuckling on is a different matter . i wouldn't feel any remorse over giving a intruder their just deserts . within the rules of law of coarse
it's quite a prickly topic this one , sure as politician's wouldn't get it right if it did pass

[womble]

Apparently, two police officers shot dead and a 3rd injured today... What are the chances of that happening the day before Castle Law is debated in parliament?

Unrelated matter. Castle law doesn’t give you any right against the authorities.

This bloke definitely wasn’t fit and proper. Well known full on cooker. News is saying 10 police serving a firearms prohibition order. But this bloke has a long history of batshit looney. Wont look good if he still legally owned them.

Horrible situation. Two families just lost their dads. Prayers are with them. Hope no more people get hurt.

[alexjones]

Queensland has several case law references where firearms were used in self defence and the accused was acquitted.


Most of them were some years ago now.

[MG5150]

Unrelated matter. Castle law doesn’t give you any right against the authorities.

This bloke definitely wasn’t fit and proper. Well known full on cooker. News is saying 10 police serving a firearms prohibition order. But this bloke has a long history of batshit looney. Wont look good if he still legally owned them.

Horrible situation. Two families just lost their dads. Prayers are with them. Hope no more people get hurt.

It won't stop politicians and the media blaming responsible, legal gun owners and caving to pressure.

I do hope he didn't have any legal firearms.

[bigrich]

Unrelated matter. Castle law doesn’t give you any right against the authorities.

This bloke definitely wasn’t fit and proper. Well known full on cooker. News is saying 10 police serving a firearms prohibition order. But this bloke has a long history of batshit looney. Wont look good if he still legally owned them.

Horrible situation. Two families just lost their dads. Prayers are with them. Hope no more people get hurt.

It won't stop politicians and the media blaming responsible, legal gun owners and caving to pressure.

I do hope he didn't have any legal firearms.

yeah, it's f@cked up . wouldn't surprise me if it was a failure to act by the authorities that led to the current situation . that fella in WA had concerns raised to police by his wife and daughter which led to a tragedy and tougher gun laws for LAFO's cause they didn't act

[fnq22]

Unrelated matter. Castle law doesn’t give you any right against the authorities.

This bloke definitely wasn’t fit and proper. Well known full on cooker. News is saying 10 police serving a firearms prohibition order. But this bloke has a long history of batshit looney. Wont look good if he still legally owned them.

Horrible situation. Two families just lost their dads. Prayers are with them. Hope no more people get hurt.

It won't stop politicians and the media blaming responsible, legal gun owners and caving to pressure.

I do hope he didn't have any legal firearms.

yeah, it's f@cked up . wouldn't surprise me if it was a failure to act by the authorities that led to the current situation . that fella in WA had concerns raised to police by his wife and daughter which led to a tragedy and tougher gun laws for LAFO's cause they didn't act

It sounds like Police may have to conduct a review on their procedures regarding serving search warrants..
Like the recent police shooting in Tassie where there was a SWAT team at the end of the driveway it seems that rocking up to the home of a "sovereign citizen" in a large police convoy seems to escalate the situation and might need a rethink on tactics...
It was mentioned that a risk assesment was done prior to this latest tragedy ..seems they got that badly wrong..

I personally would have thought when dealing with these known to be armed and dangerous clowns that a stealthy dawn raid by a combat-trained unit where they are caught napping may be a better way to go about it....Like Tassie and Wieambilla before, it beats me why they drag a bunch of regular cops out of the donut shop to do this work..

There are no winners in these type of saga's except for the anti-gun crusaders....the cops themselves need to do better to protect there officers.

[Robin]

Unrelated matter. Castle law doesn’t give you any right against the authorities.

This bloke definitely wasn’t fit and proper. Well known full on cooker. News is saying 10 police serving a firearms prohibition order. But this bloke has a long history of batshit looney. Wont look good if he still legally owned them.

Horrible situation. Two families just lost their dads. Prayers are with them. Hope no more people get hurt.

It won't stop politicians and the media blaming responsible, legal gun owners and caving to pressure.

I do hope he didn't have any legal firearms.

yeah, it's f@cked up . wouldn't surprise me if it was a failure to act by the authorities that led to the current situation . that fella in WA had concerns raised to police by his wife and daughter which led to a tragedy and tougher gun laws for LAFO's cause they didn't act

It sounds like Police may have to conduct a review on their procedures regarding serving search warrants..
Like the recent police shooting in Tassie where there was a SWAT team at the end of the driveway it seems that rocking up to the home of a "sovereign citizen" in a large police convoy seems to escalate the situation and might need a rethink on tactics...
It was mentioned that a risk assesment was done prior to this latest tragedy ..seems they got that badly wrong..

I personally would have thought when dealing with these known to be armed and dangerous clowns that a stealthy dawn raid by a combat-trained unit where they are caught napping may be a better way to go about it....Like Tassie and Wieambilla before, it beats me why they drag a bunch of regular cops out of the donut shop to do this work..

There are no winners in these type of saga's except for the anti-gun crusaders....the cops themselves need to do better to protect there officers.

I would love to see cops go in with a Bushmaster with a chain gun attached, but then they will be told they went over board, they either go under powered or over powered and they will still get criticised, there's no middle ground unfortunately.

[womble]

I want flame throwers for the caves and bugger it just Napalm mount Buffalo

[wanneroo]

Castle law means that if you find an intruder on your property, no matter how big or small, that is armed,
And that you believe is a threat to you, that you can respond with an identical means as to how the intruder is equipped?

Wow. That means that if a farmer found someone trespassing on their joint, armed with a firearm, that they could respond first with the same type of threat that they could have used on them? Should the land owner wait until the firearm carried by the poacher is used on them, or used to threaten them before having to act? Nope.

Well to give you an example of how it is in my state here in the USA, there are two parts to it, your home and outside your home.

If someone is forcing their way violently into your home, you do not have to ascertain whether they are armed or not, it is assumed they are and you can shoot to stop the threat.

Outside of the home, you can't just call in an airstrike on a hunter or whatever. If they have a firearm they have to threaten with it or use it. I would say the circumstances are going to matter here. A car pulling up in my driveway at 2 AM with hooded people getting out carrying guns, that would be legit to open fire.

You also have to act within the bounds of reason and stopping the threat. Doing stuff like in the movies where they finish them off or whatever is not going to be viewed favorably by a grand jury.

My personal stance wherever I am in the world is if my life is in jeopardy I am going to respond in kind to stop the threat and escape if possible. No one out there in the world has a right to take my life so I will do what is need be to stop it and if I get charged with something, then well, I am still alive.

[womble]

A perfectly normal and reasonable response from you Wannaroot.
And the majority would agree. A rather small minority wants to die.
Our problem is our government dose’nt recognise that.