Surely the Victorian cop killer wasn't registered?

[Billo]

Slap a reward up and his friends will go for the money.

This search would be costing much more.

Just give them monopoly money and call it sovereign currency

Exactly, those 450 cops would be costing the Taxpayer more than 500K a day, throw out a $1 Million reward and I'm sure 1 of his so called mates would reveal a few hidy holes

[Jackaroo]

Have the police ever spent this much $$$ or enabled this much resources over any other murder case?

[JohnV]

It would be far more than 500k a day . I have always thought it strange that Australian Police or Government don't like offering rewards very often .
I think it's like an admission that they can't catch the offender . It's a good idea .

[No1_49er]

It would be far more than 500k a day . I have always thought it strange that Australian Police or Government don't like offering rewards very often .
I think it's like an admission that they can't catch the offender . It's a good idea .

You haven't really thought this through.
It doesn't matter if it's one cop or a thousand, it remains a fact that the cops are already on the pay-role, so there is no "additional" cost. They are being paid whether they're sitting on their arse in an office somewhere, on the beat, or searching for one of societies miscreants.
A reward? That would be an additional cost.

[ColdStart]

I’ve stayed out of this whole saga until now, mostly because I couldn’t find my tin foil hat. But after knocking one up with some kitchen foil and a bit of fencing wire, I’m ready to join the conversation.

Is it just me, or is anyone else noticing a few odd historical coincidences?

Let’s compare Ned Kelly in the weeks after Stringybark Creek with Dezi Freeman right now:

Both shot 3 cops, Ned shot 3 cops. Dezi shot 3,.
Both claimed they were being harassed by police.
Police serving Warrants (which they both insisted were unjustified) kicked everything off.
Both disappeared into bushland and not just any bushland. Same region, within about 50 km.
Both were skilled bushmen.
Family and supporters were arrested or raided
Both were publicly anti-police.
Both were publicly anti-government
The public both slowing started to support the outlaws.
Both have Local Sympathy and Ideological Support
And of course, it all happened in north-east Victoria. Because where else?

It’s starting to feel less like current events and more like someone hit the replay button on colonial history.

Then throw in a homemade shotgun allegedly capable of dropping multiple armed officers, reports that police requested CIRT backup and were turned down because of sovereign citizen rallies in Melbourne,

and Michael Jones conveniently releasing the perfect YouTube video right in the middle of it all.

Honestly, if you pitched this as a movie script, you’d get told to tone it down. “Too far-fetched,” they’d say. “Real life isn’t that tidy.”

But here we are. Victoria, 2025.

[alexjones]

I would say it is costing more. Police would be working overtime. Resources from other states and the commonwealth are being utilised. That is not free.

Police and government in this federation of self governing states hate self defence and hate rewards. They do not like the idea of self preservation and self determination. They want to be in control of all aspects of peoples lives.

[womble]

Ned’s persecution wasn’t imagined though.
Irish Catholic

[ColdStart]

Ned’s persecution wasn’t imagined though.
Irish Catholic

Not today looking at it with rose coloured glasses, but it certainly was considered so at the time. The 1881 Royal Commission into the Victorian Police said they were not subjected to persecution, so it must be true I mean we all know the police wouldn't lie about that.

[ColdStart]

Shirley people aren't this dumb and think this was the reason behind their arrest and release without charge?

Friends of accused double cop killer Dezi Freeman have lashed out at police, claiming the dramatic arrests of his wife and teenage son were a calculated stunt to bait the fugitive out of hiding.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... stunt.html

[womble]

Nah what I meant was Ned’s family actually was persecuted hard. Wasn’t all in his head. And don’t call me Shirley.

And that our current missing lunatic has friends and supporters is probably concerning. Like Charles Manson cult followers vibes.

He was an interesting fellow our Ned. Under different circumstances he could have been a great man.
I’m not sure how familiar you are with him Cold Start. But there is a bloodstained green silk sash at the Kelly museum in Benalla. And it’s the real thing.
I think that tells you a great deal about the man.
History is written by the victors of course. But I think I’m siding with a history that was covered up.

[Billo]

I’ve stayed out of this whole saga until now, mostly because I couldn’t find my tin foil hat. But after knocking one up with some kitchen foil and a bit of fencing wire, I’m ready to join the conversation.

Is it just me, or is anyone else noticing a few odd historical coincidences?

Let’s compare Ned Kelly in the weeks after Stringybark Creek with Dezi Freeman right now:

Both shot 3 cops, Ned shot 3 cops. Dezi shot 3,.
Both claimed they were being harassed by police.
Police serving Warrants (which they both insisted were unjustified) kicked everything off.
Both disappeared into bushland and not just any bushland. Same region, within about 50 km.
Both were skilled bushmen.
Family and supporters were arrested or raided
Both were publicly anti-police.
Both were publicly anti-government
The public both slowing started to support the outlaws.
Both have Local Sympathy and Ideological Support
And of course, it all happened in north-east Victoria. Because where else?

It’s starting to feel less like current events and more like someone hit the replay button on colonial history.

Then throw in a homemade shotgun allegedly capable of dropping multiple armed officers, reports that police requested CIRT backup and were turned down because of sovereign citizen rallies in Melbourne,

and Michael Jones conveniently releasing the perfect YouTube video right in the middle of it all.

Honestly, if you pitched this as a movie script, you’d get told to tone it down. “Too far-fetched,” they’d say. “Real life isn’t that tidy.”

But here we are. Victoria, 2025.

The only similarity between Freeman and Kelly is they both had 2 legs and murdered 3 Police officer in cold blood.

Kelly was a horse thief, bank robber and hostage taker and who shot n killed 3 Irish born coppers.

Freeman is a delusional scab and alleged Kiddy Fiddler, end of story

[Jackaroo]

Big call for them to say "that they KNOW" someone is harbouring him?

https://www.news.com.au/national/victor ... 9b24f570d0

[womble]

Someone could have picked he up by vehicle. He could be on the other side of the country by now.
What else could you do. He won’t be getting out of the country. So you’d want to be as far away as possible.

How long did Mokbel hide out in Bonnie Doon with his funny wig.

[fussy]

The term sovereign citizen just seems like a contradiction to me. I don't really understand the term.

Unless it means you are the sovereign and the citizen and the two are different entities that share the same body. In essence like a split personality.

Can someone explain the difference between declaring yourself a "sovereign citizen" vs wear a Tshirt saying "sovereignty never ceded"?
What's the legal difference, seriously?

Frankly, if you 'take the king's shilling' by using schools, roads, hospitals etc, then you agreed to be a subject/citizen of whoever supplied them.

[Jackaroo]

Someone could have picked he up by vehicle. He could be on the other side of the country by now.
What else could you do. He won’t be getting out of the country. So you’d want to be as far away as possible.

How long did Mokbel hide out in Bonnie Doon with his funny wig.

They are stating that they KNOW someone is harbouring him......big call.

[Jackaroo]

The term sovereign citizen just seems like a contradiction to me. I don't really understand the term.

Unless it means you are the sovereign and the citizen and the two are different entities that share the same body. In essence like a split personality.

Can someone explain the difference between declaring yourself a "sovereign citizen" vs wear a Tshirt saying "sovereignty never ceded"?
What's the legal difference, seriously?

Frankly, if you 'take the king's shilling' by using schools, roads, hospitals etc, then you agreed to be a subject/citizen of whoever supplied them.

Means nothing, they're just fwits.

[ColdStart]

Nah what I meant was Ned’s family actually was persecuted hard. Wasn’t all in his head. And don’t call me Shirley.

And that our current missing lunatic has friends and supporters is probably concerning. Like Charles Manson cult followers vibes.

He was an interesting fellow our Ned. Under different circumstances he could have been a great man.
I’m not sure how familiar you are with him Cold Start. But there is a bloodstained green silk sash at the Kelly museum in Benalla. And it’s the real thing.
I think that tells you a great deal about the man.
History is written by the victors of course. But I think I’m siding with a history that was covered up.

That's what I am saying, the official story was the Ned and his family did not suffer persecution from the police prior to Stringy bark. A royal commission found that no less and this official narrative held until the 1920's

Ned didn't start having small and limited public support until after the "Jerilderie Letter" which was months after, he killed the cops.

[ColdStart]

I’ve stayed out of this whole saga until now, mostly because I couldn’t find my tin foil hat. But after knocking one up with some kitchen foil and a bit of fencing wire, I’m ready to join the conversation.

Is it just me, or is anyone else noticing a few odd historical coincidences?

Let’s compare Ned Kelly in the weeks after Stringybark Creek with Dezi Freeman right now:

Both shot 3 cops, Ned shot 3 cops. Dezi shot 3,.
Both claimed they were being harassed by police.
Police serving Warrants (which they both insisted were unjustified) kicked everything off.
Both disappeared into bushland and not just any bushland. Same region, within about 50 km.
Both were skilled bushmen.
Family and supporters were arrested or raided
Both were publicly anti-police.
Both were publicly anti-government
The public both slowing started to support the outlaws.
Both have Local Sympathy and Ideological Support
And of course, it all happened in north-east Victoria. Because where else?

It’s starting to feel less like current events and more like someone hit the replay button on colonial history.

Then throw in a homemade shotgun allegedly capable of dropping multiple armed officers, reports that police requested CIRT backup and were turned down because of sovereign citizen rallies in Melbourne,

and Michael Jones conveniently releasing the perfect YouTube video right in the middle of it all.

Honestly, if you pitched this as a movie script, you’d get told to tone it down. “Too far-fetched,” they’d say. “Real life isn’t that tidy.”

But here we are. Victoria, 2025.

The only similarity between Freeman and Kelly is they both had 2 legs and murdered 3 Police officer in cold blood.

Kelly was a horse thief, bank robber and hostage taker and who shot n killed 3 Irish born coppers.

Freeman is a delusional scab and alleged Kiddy Fiddler, end of story

I listed the similarity's just because people don't like them doesn't mean they aren't there.

As to being a kiddy fiddler, the rumor is it was in relation to him being 18 and having a sexual relationship with his 15 year old girlfriend. To date, the police refuse to say what the charge is about, only its a historic sex charge,

Agian similar to Ned and Kate Lloyd.

[ColdStart]

Someone could have picked he up by vehicle. He could be on the other side of the country by now.
What else could you do. He won’t be getting out of the country. So you’d want to be as far away as possible.

How long did Mokbel hide out in Bonnie Doon with his funny wig.

The police have said his wife and kids where with him at the shoot out, so they got away and later that night?? presented themselves at the police station.

Doesn't take much to join the dots that they had a vehicle and or assistance.

[MG5150]

A few people think the whole Dezi situation is fishy...

Someone uncovered that one of the officers killed (the younger of the two) is/was an actor, and you can see his profile on the talent agency website Star Now

https://www.starnow.com/u/vadimdewaart/

Doesn't mean he wasn't an actor turned police officer, but many people have pointed out there has been no statment from either of the deceaseds family or relatives and the media is usually all over that.

I'll leave it here and let you decide

[Billo]

I’ve stayed out of this whole saga until now, mostly because I couldn’t find my tin foil hat. But after knocking one up with some kitchen foil and a bit of fencing wire, I’m ready to join the conversation.

Is it just me, or is anyone else noticing a few odd historical coincidences?

Let’s compare Ned Kelly in the weeks after Stringybark Creek with Dezi Freeman right now:

Both shot 3 cops, Ned shot 3 cops. Dezi shot 3,.
Both claimed they were being harassed by police.
Police serving Warrants (which they both insisted were unjustified) kicked everything off.
Both disappeared into bushland and not just any bushland. Same region, within about 50 km.
Both were skilled bushmen.
Family and supporters were arrested or raided
Both were publicly anti-police.
Both were publicly anti-government
The public both slowing started to support the outlaws.
Both have Local Sympathy and Ideological Support
And of course, it all happened in north-east Victoria. Because where else?

It’s starting to feel less like current events and more like someone hit the replay button on colonial history.

Then throw in a homemade shotgun allegedly capable of dropping multiple armed officers, reports that police requested CIRT backup and were turned down because of sovereign citizen rallies in Melbourne,

and Michael Jones conveniently releasing the perfect YouTube video right in the middle of it all.

Honestly, if you pitched this as a movie script, you’d get told to tone it down. “Too far-fetched,” they’d say. “Real life isn’t that tidy.”

But here we are. Victoria, 2025.

The only similarity between Freeman and Kelly is they both had 2 legs and murdered 3 Police officer in cold blood.

Kelly was a horse thief, bank robber and hostage taker and who shot n killed 3 Irish born coppers.

Freeman is a delusional scab and alleged Kiddy Fiddler, end of story

I listed the similarity's just because people don't like them doesn't mean they aren't there.

As to being a kiddy fiddler, the rumor is it was in relation to him being 18 and having a sexual relationship with his 15 year old girlfriend. To date, the police refuse to say what the charge is about, only its a historic sex charge,

Agian similar to Ned and Kate Lloyd.

The Sexual offences occured in the last 2 years and were with a girl under 16 as reported in the news, no need for rumours.

[MG5150]

As to being a kiddy fiddler, the rumor is it was in relation to him being 18 and having a sexual relationship with his 15 year old girlfriend. To date, the police refuse to say what the charge is about, only its a historic sex charge,

If you want to destroy someone's reputation, all you need to do is allege they are a kiddy fiddler and let the public smear campaign begin. Once people have made up their mind it's hard to change and they'll just let the allegations hang for a period of time and then never publish the news when they win court a few years down the track. I don't think Dezi will ever get his day in court now but it's a classic tactic by the government/media

[Billo]

As to being a kiddy fiddler, the rumor is it was in relation to him being 18 and having a sexual relationship with his 15 year old girlfriend. To date, the police refuse to say what the charge is about, only its a historic sex charge,

If you want to destroy someone's reputation, all you need to do is allege they are a kiddy fiddler and let the public smear campaign begin. Once people have made up their mind it's hard to change and they'll just let the allegations hang for a period of time and then never publish the news when they win court a few years down the track. I don't think Dezi will ever get his day in court now but it's a classic tactic by the government/media

The whole reason Police were attending Freemans home was because the warrant was for Sexual offences, they were from the Sexual offences and child investigation team. No need to smear

[womble]

Not like he had a reputation to destroy.

[Blackened]

Locked after all the pointless arguing and posts that needed to be deleted.