Charlie Kirk Rifle

[Wapiti]

What you wrote speaks for itself.
You keep going on about medication, which surely is a shot at the nurses for not getting yours right yet again. Let us know what facility you're held in, and we will speak to them for you, voice our concerns.
Perhaps they're interpreting your prescription incorrectly.

[Wm.Traynor]

Just a wild guess but even if it had been zeroed, would taking it down to facilitate concealment have spoiled the bedding and therefore the POI? If that is so, could that be why his target was hit in the neck, instead of the head or centre of the chest??

This is possible I guess, however Police did find Paper targets with holes and fired cases at his place of residence. Robinson was a lifetime gun fanatic and Utah is 1 of the best hunting states in the US with a small population and big space with so many huntable species. It was reported that he bragged to a work colleague back in 2023 that he had pulled off a 450yd shot, heck thats some sort of shooting. A 130m shot would have been pretty straight forward

Thank you Billo

[Baronvonrort]

So there has been a lot of talk online about the rifle Tyer Robinson allegedly used to shoot and kill Charlie Kirk.

Its a Mauser M18 30-06.

Can people guess what the conspiracy theory is about with it?

The gun was wrapped in a towel when shooter jumped from roof people are questioning if he had it in a box and why this wasn't in video of him leaving roof.
It's a box to hold evidence.

There are many who say he wasn't carrying a rifle when he jumped off roof by posting grainy videos yet higher res videos showed something long wrapped in something.

Slow motion video shows bullet hit bullet proof plate charlie was wearing about 2 inches below collarbone near centre mass then ricocheted into his neck. You can see shirt distort and outline of plate as bullet bounced off.
Looked like entry was somewhat sideways into neck probably took out carotid artery going from volume and pulsing of blood from neck.

It's reported bullet then went between 2 people behind Charlie
Many on left pushed idiocy killer was right wing groyper the fact he was gay and in relationship with tranny rules this out as groypers are totally against that.

It's absurd how many claim shooter supported Trump yet shot one of the biggest names in Maga.

We don't know anything about the guy who shot Trump yet we have lots of information on this guy

[womble]

There’s been no mention of him being a Trump supporter. Many republicans are still republicans. Not all are maga.
Look at the Lincoln project.
And not all on the right are Christian Nationalists.

It’s obvious why he’d target maga. He’s gay.

What’s the old proverb “ The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth"

But he’s been born and raised in a society that teaches him he’s bad or evil. Likely even by the people who brought him into this world.

Believes himself to be bad. Bad people do bad things. And so he did.

This is why we teach our children on the whole to be tolerant of people who are different. So apon maturity they don’t do bad things to others.
So we don’t often see this type of violence here.

The young bloke who shot Trump was libertarian extremist. They resist tyrannical rule. They don’t like authoritarian government.

[Fester]

There appeared to be no obvious blood splatter on the white backing, that could explain the bullet deflecting off a vest, as was mentioned.

I would imagine Utarh is a desert hunting state where they shoot long range, but even snipers with a big rifle don't go for neck shots.
A headshot to avoid vest is a possibility, but a headshot hitting low would still send lots of blood splatter.

I have no idea what went down and didn't see the film clips.
Cops cleaned it al up quickly as well.

Charlie Kirk was clearly only wearing a white tshirt, no vest. I haven't every seen him wear a vest.

We may, or may not ever know the real details, but someone did say he often wore those modern light, thin, custom chest plates.
They look nothing like the older style thick vests and the Aussie company that was making stuff included nipples.
He could just slip a chest plate in last second before sitting down to talk.

A missed high chest shot, or a missed low headshot, should have more instant blood spatter from an exit wound.
The blood was later, but I didn't watch any vids that showed it, just 2 vids, from different cameras, slowed down to frame by frame.
One convinced me it was deflected off the top edge of a chest plate, and no exit.

The other was less convincing but showed how it could have been an earpiece and mic wires moving the T-shirt and the neck wound being an exit.
It would also mean he was shot from the side and the FBI were lying.
YouTube will be full of conspiracy stuff from now on. That's why I watched them, to get some idea, and not support all the false crap that will be rife.

[ColdStart]

This Youtube explains the conspiracy well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2cv9DSt538

[fussy]

OK, without first reading earlier replies...

1. Scope is not mounted at front, the rings are just decorative.
2. Scope will give "badge of stupidity" if mounted so far back.
3. Action looks too short to hold a 30.06 cartridge.

[bad cop 3650]

You really are quite deranged. I hope you get the help you need. Sincerely.
Go back on your medication before you f*** up your life.

Thanks for the advice ! Im a very sane person, but the same cannot be said for you.

For the past 5 years since i discoreved this forum i have been very appaled to see these so called gun owner also know as "fudds" speaking on my behalf claiming to know everything better than me while at the same time solding off our rights to anti gunner in every manner possible, like you in fact.

Thanks for throwing us under the bus, you are not leaving a great legacy to the younger generations of gun owner, not just here in Australia but everywhere else.

[Baronvonrort]

This Youtube explains the conspiracy well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2cv9DSt538

Around 2 min 40 the huy he mentions isn't FBI it's Utah Governor

Around 4 min talking about rifle there is video of offender shows him walking with straight leg limp from doorbell cams. it's likely he had screwdriver to take action off stock they did match offenders DNA to screwdriver, rifle towel they found it in bullets and trigger.
FBI did DNA on towel and screwdriver AFT did rifle.
There is higher res video where he jumps off roof carrying something long i doubt he took gun apart before running away.
There is video of offender around 17 minutes after shooting buying ice cream wearing different clothes to jumping off roof.
Tyler said he chaged when hiding rifle.
Kash said ATF were doing DNA they had to wait for them FBI did towel and scrwdriver.

Around 9 min i agree a 30-06 would have done more damage. Video i saw (didn't save it) showed frame by frame higher res
shows outline of chest plate as bullet bounced of it around 2 inches below collarbone right side of CBM then ricochet into his neck. The projectile would have deformed after bouncing off chest plate it looked like bullet tumbled it didn't pencil in.
Charlies friends said bullet went between 2 people behind him yet some say no exit wound.

around 10 min 45 the first guy arrested said he did it, he told police that so shooter could escape he was charged with child porn on phone.

Around 12 min he is wrong parents saw pics thought it was their son they called him father said rifle looked like his grandfathers rifle which he gave him.
Both parents turned him in and made statements they said he moved left his politics were very different to maga father.
Reward money has been donated to Charlies wife.

around 12.42 he claims no discord account where he confessed to his tranny lover and claims discord said he didn't have an account.
Discord confirmed he has an accoun discord denied he planned this attack on their platform and confirmed confession messages exist on discord.

around 13 min he doubts messages.. The tranny boyfriend showed FBI these messages probably so he wouldn't be implicated as all involved can face death penalty.
FBI saved them discord also confirmed messgaes are true
Another nothing burger from this guy

At 16 min he questions what happened to video from Charlies team, his team said they took memory cards they have them. Would you want people to show replays of how your friend died?

No autopsy report- lol. It's pretty clear how he died it was gunshot to the neck. The blood flowing out in spurts shows carotid artery and possibly jugular hit as well.
Loss of blood pressure from artery being hit caused him to pass out there was nothing anyone could do to save him.
Were you going to wrap a torniquet around his neck?

That video is an example of why i don't use youtube for facts when those with channels rely on hits to make money so they come up with bs to get more people watching

DOJ have DNA evidence linking him to towel screwdriver rifle bullets and trigger.
DOJ has statements from both parents saying he admits doing it along with statement from tranny boyfriend.
I predict he will plead guilty.

the family member – who has not spoken to other members of the news media – alleged that Twiggs harbored animosity toward conservatives and Christians, confirmed that Twiggs was transgender/transitioning, and said that Robinson was allegedly Twiggs’ boyfriend.
https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/lance-twiggs-was-the-roommate-of-tyler-robinson-reports-say/?fsp_sid=6342&fbclid=IwZnRzaAMyyxZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHg61EeFgL5Cdgb2kU0qzSQp6QjT_aEOneh1B7d4p59TIH8ePVTrkgvrwDX0U_aem_QZgFMFzZE01KsL9xJ3IWdQ&amp=1

Here is a kid who grew up in MAGA household had 4.0 GPA (Straight A student) at school won a $32k scholarship to go to college never got into any trouble.
He became a leftist shacked up with a tranny then flushed his life down the toilet by killing Kirk

[ColdStart]

Around 9 min i agree a 30-06 would have done more damage. Video i saw (didn't save it) showed frame by frame higher res
shows outline of chest plate as bullet bounced of it around 2 inches below collarbone right side of CBM then ricochet into his neck. The projectile would have deformed after bouncing off chest plate it looked like bullet tumbled it didn't pencil in.
Charlies friends said bullet went between 2 people behind him yet some say no exit wound.

Turning Point USA spokesman Andrew Kolvet revealed on Saturday night that he had spoken with the surgeon who made the comments directly to him.

Basically confirms no exit wound and also revealed the coroner found the bullet just beneath Kirk's skin.

Interesting the daily mail imply its a 30-06, but Andrew Kovet doesn't confirm this. Although some police sources have said it was a 30-06

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... wound.html

https://x.com/AndrewKolvet/status/1969551427648569633

That video is an example of why i don't use youtube for facts when those with channels rely on hits to make money so they come up with bs to get more people watching

I wasn't posting it as fact's, I was posting it to explain the current conspiracy's surrounding the shooting.

[Baronvonrort]

I wasn't posting it as fact's, I was posting it explain the current conspiracy's surrounding the shooting.

There are a lot of conspiracies around this.

I have leftist friends in the US who still insist offender was a groyper despite the fact he was gay and living with a tranny boyfriend. Groypers hate trannies and gays.
Some insist he was maga and killed Charlie for not being maga enough.

Then we have mossad and the jews did it

I have seen American hunters say it was neck shot because he didn't account for drop or windage.

It has resulted in Americans leaving democrats to become republicans.
We have around 40% with no religion here many churches have closed America is very different to us with christians they take it far more seriously than we do.

He is on record saying he hated Charlie some people you can't negotiate with and leftist media say they don't know his motive.

[Baronvonrort]

Around 9 min i agree a 30-06 would have done more damage. Video i saw (didn't save it) showed frame by frame higher res
shows outline of chest plate as bullet bounced of it around 2 inches below collarbone right side of CBM then ricochet into his neck. The projectile would have deformed after bouncing off chest plate it looked like bullet tumbled it didn't pencil in.
Charlies friends said bullet went between 2 people behind him yet some say no exit wound.

Turning Point USA spokesman Andrew Kolvet revealed on Saturday night that he had spoken with the surgeon who made the comments directly to him.

Basically confirms no exit wound and also revealed the coroner found the bullet just beneath Kirk's skin.

Interesting the daily mail imply its a 30-06, but Andrew Kovet doesn't confirm this. Although some police sources have said it was a 30-06

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... wound.html

https://x.com/AndrewKolvet/status/1969551427648569633

That video is an example of why i don't use youtube for facts when those with channels rely on hits to make money so they come up with bs to get more people watching

I wasn't posting it as fact's, I was posting it to explain the current conspiracy's surrounding the shooting.

It was Turning point USA spokesperson who said bullet went between 2 of them behind charlie which came out before Kolvet said this.

I estimate around 45 deg deflection after hitting chest plate and going into neck. I suspect it went in sideways.

[Wm.Traynor]

This Youtube explains the conspiracy well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2cv9DSt538

Thank you ColdStart. After watching, I am inclined to disbelieve the FIB.

[ColdStart]

It was Turning point USA spokesperson who said bullet went between 2 of them behind charlie which came out before Kolvet said this.

I estimate around 45 deg deflection after hitting chest plate and going into neck. I suspect it went in sideways.

Its already been shown he was wearing a magnetic microphone clip.





Also not wearing a chest plate.

[Baronvonrort]

Here is a news report saying Tyler did have Discord account and Discord confirmed this. Discord only denied he planned it on their platform they never denied he had an account
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/charlie-kirk-suspect-discord-messages/

The youtuber claimed Discord said he didn't have an account

Haven't found the exact front on video i saw which put it beyond doubt for me here are some more.

Take note of how his shirt moves just before it hits his neck in these videos that isn't from the mic.
https://x.com/1ByronWileyAmy1/status/1965997225756201235

Here is another vid can you see outline top of chest plate under mic?
https://x.com/betsyowens73/status/1966270842037539114

Different angle why does his shirt move?
https://x.com/aducarrabh/status/1965884012565766172/video/2

I don't give that youtuber much credibility on this murder he should have done his research

[Baronvonrort]

More videos to support ricochet from chest plate.

This one shows likely took out left carotid artery
https://x.com/granviledufleur/status/1965869531664146561

Another angle
https://x.com/militarymindfuc/status/1965892133677838610

There were a lot more videos it appears many have been taken down.

[wanneroo]

Just a wild guess but even if it had been zeroed, would taking it down to facilitate concealment have spoiled the bedding and therefore the POI? If that is so, could that be why his target was hit in the neck, instead of the head or centre of the chest??

This is possible I guess, however Police did find Paper targets with holes and fired cases at his place of residence. Robinson was a lifetime gun fanatic and Utah is 1 of the best hunting states in the US with a small population and big space with so many huntable species. It was reported that he bragged to a work colleague back in 2023 that he had pulled off a 450yd shot, heck thats some sort of shooting. A 130m shot would have been pretty straight forward

Long range shooting is very popular in Utah as a competition sport and for hunting. It's not uncommon for people to take shots in Utah for hunting in the 500m to 1000m range.

I think based on some things I have seen it's possible he died from spall off of his bullet resistance vest he was wearing under the T shirt.

[Baronvonrort]

Spall might explain the conflicting reports from TPUSA with no exit wound and fragments passing between the 2 behind Charlie.

I agree with off the shelf one size fits all armour for rifles is bulky yet some companies do custom jobs for VIPs with 3D bodyscanning it would be fair to say manufacturers support Pro 2A Republicans.

Statements from parents and boyfriend along with DNA the admission on Discord chats i suspect he might plead guilty which means we might not get a lot more on this.

[womble]

You really are quite deranged. I hope you get the help you need. Sincerely.
Go back on your medication before you f*** up your life.

Thanks for the advice ! Im a very sane person, but the same cannot be said for you.

For the past 5 years since i discoreved this forum i have been very appaled to see these so called gun owner also know as "fudds" speaking on my behalf claiming to know everything better than me while at the same time solding off our rights to anti gunner in every manner possible, like you in fact.

Thanks for throwing us under the bus, you are not leaving a great legacy to the younger generations of gun owner, not just here in Australia but everywhere else.

Mate, you are literally stalking someone on an internet forum. Think about what you are doing.
You are not well. Get well. No judgement.
The reason I haven’t exposed your third account is so you can save face and join the rest of us in enjoying the forum.
And sometimes you forget to switch accounts mid thread so I won’t be the only ones who’s noticing. Pull yourself up and have a fresh start.

[womble]

OK, without first reading earlier replies...

1. Scope is not mounted at front, the rings are just decorative.
2. Scope will give "badge of stupidity" if mounted so far back.
3. Action looks too short to hold a 30.06 cartridge.

It kinda does look too short. That’s interesting.

[Baronvonrort]

The has been no official public release by FBI or ATF on make model or calibre of firearm their public release has only stated it was a "High powered bolt action rifle".
They have confirmed and posted the messages on ammo yet did not release brand or type.

The claims of it being a Mauser 98B in 30-06 originated from this internal bulletin which was posted by conservative commentator Steven Crowder a couple of hours after shooting.
Internal bulletins leaked to public are not official statements.
He said it came from an unamed source the media have accepted this as gospel.

ATF were given the rifle at the scene they are doing all the checks on it.

Some say it's not a Mauser it's a Savage i don't know.

I have a friend in the US who is retired FBI.

[Wm.Traynor]

The scope mounting just seems wrong, see the front mount barley hanging on. .

Thank you for pointing that out. In the very least, IMO, no self respecting shooter would mount a scope so insecurely. I have to wonder just how well it shot; what sort of groups it threw. It is just WEIRD!

[Baronvonrort]

The Original Mauser 98 Sporters

The Type B rifle, also called the normal (standard) model, was especially popular in Germany and is often encountered in the United States.

The list of metric calibers for original Mauser 98 sporters was extensive and ranged from 6.5x54 mm Mauser K to 10.75x68 mm Mauser. Other calibers were added later. They were .30-’06 Sprg., .250-3000 Savage, .280 Ross, 8x60 mm Mauser, .318 Westley-Richards and .404 Nitro-Express—also called .404 Jeffery.

Another very popular caliber in Mauser sporters was the 7x57 mm. It was first used in the Spanish Model 1892 military Mauser. Because of its good ballistic performance combined with relatively light recoil and excellent accuracy, it was known as the happy-medium size.

An excellent feature of these sporters is that their actions were made in different lengths to handle short, moderate-length and long cartridges. The medium-length action, 8.75" long, was used for the 8x57 mm, .30-’06 Sprg. and most other cartridges of moderate length. A short action of 8.13" length was used for short cartridges. The magnum action for long cartridges is 9.25" long.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/the-original-mauser-98-sporters/

Picture in link shows scope mounted similar way.

Tyler Robinson said his rifle had a $2K scope haven't looked into that

[Baronvonrort]

Here is a video from-
Gary Melton is a former U.S. Army Special Forces Green Beret, Weapons Sergeant, and Sniper Team Leader with 4 combat tours. He has worked full time as a Unit Chief and Special Tactics Instructor at a federal agency, and is the owner and Lead Instructor for Paramount Tactical Solutions.

Like previous video linked a military guy with a beard some nice guns in background.

For those who are time challenged you could probably fast forward the first 3 min 30 seconds.

He does show an off the shelf titanium plate used for armour in Vid.
They do custom make these for VIPs and wealthy with 3D bodyscanning for tight fit they can even add fake nipples they're light double sided tape can hold it in place if you don't have hairy chest.
Charlies team has confirmed his wife always made him wear armour he nicknaned his favourite one stealth

He also mentions human skin stretches when shot then retracts after projectile has passed through and puts up a chart with. various calibres and expected entry wound size. The entry wound for Charlie doesn't match what would be expected from direct neck shot.
The crowd did turn around to face direction of shooter on roof body motion shows shot came from in front any talk of 2 shooters is rubbish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6zPjo5Vogc

This video has quite a few medical experts commenting saying they think he is right nowhere near as many conspiracy theorists in comments.

We know what a 30-06 could do with a direct shot to neck there is no plausible ballisitic explanation to say that happened bouncing off a chest plate into neck appears to be what happened

[bladeracer]

We know what a 30-06 could do with a direct shot to neck there is no plausible ballastic explanation to say that happened bouncing off a chest plate into neck appears to be what happened

Do we know the specifics of the cartridge, ie the bullet and the velocity? I think most of us have a fair idea of the damage a factory hunting bullet fired at close range at full .30-06 velocity can do. My first thought when I saw it was a .223 high-velocity light varmint bullet, but after learning he was wearing body armour lots of things could've changed the impact and level of visible damage. A lot of the initial impact velocity would be eaten up by the body armour, though some damage would be expected to the body behind it. What's left of the bullet could do varying degrees of damage depending on the mass and velocity remaining.

[Baronvonrort]

Nothing from the ATF yet you would expect them to pull projectiles from unfired cases weigh it and powder compare if they're similar and possibly assume fired round was the same if they are.
Knock the primer out bag the powder reseat projectile use it for evidence.

If he pleads guilty the judges gavel might fall send everyone home Tyler back to his cell we might not find out.

Range was 143 yards shooting down at angle of 9 degrees probably come out in the 130s in ballistic calculator.

Medical reports mentioned by TPUSA say no indication of any chest injury.
Soft armour does leave nasty bruise i expect hard armour would spread force over a larger area.
Pressure (Mpa) = Force (N)/Area (mm^2)

Last week FBI got over 20 search warrants to go after people who posted stuff like this online. They needed warrants so any evidence they find can't be thrown out if it was obtained without proper procedures.
Quite a few posts with people having nostrodamus like predictions.

[Baronvonrort]

FBI Investigating Social Media Accounts That Appeared To Indicate Foreknowledge of Kirk Assassination

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is investigating social media posts by at least seven different accounts that appeared to indicate foreknowledge of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, according to three people familiar with the investigation and screenshots obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

The posts—one of which referenced the date of Kirk’s assassination, September 10, more than a month before it took place—were all deleted in the days following the killing. Several of the accounts appear to belong to transgender individuals, and at least one of them followed suspect Tyler Robinson's roommate, with whom Robinson was allegedly in a relationship, on TikTok.

The FBI has received archived copies of the posts, according to a person who flagged them for the agency. Screenshots of the posts have been circulating online but had not been previously authenticated.

While the posts do not establish that any of the individuals knew or conspired with Robinson, the 22-year-old gunman who allegedly shot Kirk, several of them mention the conservative activist by name and fantasize about his death.

"itd be funny if someone like charlie kirk got shot on september 10th LMAO," one X account posted on September 3.

More here including screenshots of messages- https://freebeacon.com/politics/exclusive-fbi-investigating-social-media-accounts-that-appeared-to-indicate-foreknowledge-of-kirk-assassination/

The NYPost also reported this don't have the link too lazy to look right now.

Tyler lives around 4 hr drive from Uni they would have checked his phone records for mobile phone tower pings to see if he cased it out.

They will probably check all these people out for digital records linking them to Tyler and if any of them could have cased it out for him or messaged him about location or anything relevant.

In Utah if you are involved with a murder you can end up on murder charges even if you weren't the one who pulled the trigger. It's one of the 3 states that still has firing squad for death penalty.

[Baronvonrort]

Link for NY Post article for my previous post

https://nypost.com/2025/09/14/us-news/charlie-kirk-assassination-investigation-widens-to-probe-pro-trans-online-groups/

[wrenchman]

most reporting I have seen has said that was not the gun in the picture it was just a picture so they have a idea of what it would look like there will be pictures coming at some time.
there was nothing special about the shot he was laying prone and most likely shot the gun some what considering it was his grandfather's gun.
When it first happen all the news outlets were saying it was a trained sniper then a real sniper had to let them know most hunters could make the shot and do often with hunting guns.

[Wapiti]

The story I saw was that the projectile may have clipped the top edge of his vest and deflected up into the poor buggers neck.
The slow-mo video I saw was grainy but it showed the hit drive the t-shirt upwards after the bullet entered near the top, sort of below the collarbone.

But then, there are people saying he wasn't wearing a vest. What I saw showed a definite outline.
Then people would say that a .30 wouldn't be stopped by a soft low-profile vest anyway.
I'm sure with the current political party in government, the real story will come out in the end because it's obvious that covering that up is counter-productive.