More than 100 guns seized in police raids on sovereign citiz

[ColdStart]

yeah , i take your point, but i didn't want to single billo out as it take two to tango
i've seen topics on this forum turn into non sensical abuse and i'm calling it out. some members have left this forum over persistently rude behaviour . if a member is abusive, be the better man . ignore it ,or put that member on your "foe" list and you won't see their posts . this forum can be a great source of views and information . engaging in online arguments that decent people wouldn't engage in the real world spoil it . i don't want to take sides in this sort of thing, but i will call it out . no offence intended to anyone

I think it's far more effective to call someone out directly on their behaviour, but I totally understand that many people are too scared to do it.

As for Billo, I’m not offended in the slightest. It would be ridiculous to be. Like a lot of people, I deal with dimwits every day. Getting offended by them makes no sense, you'd be constantly offended if you did. And honestly, they can’t help it, so being even slightly offended is just pointless.

[Wapiti]

billo and coldstart , your mud slinging is achieving nothing . please stick to intelligent debate . i disagree with womble on topics , but we put forward our views in a respectful manner . we do take the p!ss out of each other occasionally , no insult intended

There has been no mud slinging or disrespect from me, I truly believed Billo was drunk posting, but after his last post he is clearly arguing with his own delusional fantasy on what he thinks I believe without even bothering to ask or read what I have said.

Its hard to argue with a delusional fantasy in his head.

Mate, you definitely aren't slinging mud or disrespecting anyone, and anyone thinking that you are should take a step back.
You cannot argue with a deliberately cowardly idiot behind a screen.
But you are keeping this going, by replying continuously to a deliberately abusive member who hides behind his screen, there are a few consistent trolls here just waiting for someone to trip their trigger.
State your case with proof and drop it, we all see that you are correct.
Those with nothing always resort to the babies way out, abuse.
Don't be discouraged, reasonable and decent communication is appreciated by the intelligent.

All this dribble is hilarious, the drift to the climate change dribble just takes the cake. Read between the lines and see who the real enemies are here. Not even worth a reply to a deliberate troll.

[ColdStart]

What did Ned actually say though ?

Nothing apparently, well a sigh. Officially he intended to make a speech but didn't in the end

The sigh was later reported in the media to mean "Ah, Well, I Suppose” or ‘Ah, well, I suppose it has come to this’ but this wasn't catchy enough for the Herald’s reporter, James Middleton so he changed it to "Such is life"

[Wapiti]

And the media is still bullsh*tting us all, how sad is it that so many just lap it up...

[bigrich]

I think it's far more effective to call someone out directly on their behaviour, but I totally understand that many people are too scared to do it.

i've learnt over the years calling people out directly quite often results in giving them what they want . attention and a argument . wouldn't say i'm scared to do so , just had better results calling out the behaviour rather than the person . i'm in no way perfect, but i try my best . cheers mate

[alexjones]

I am not a dirty commie. People have the right to believe what they want and hate who they want. That is the essence of freedom.

If you want to defeat a bad argument then use a good argument. Do not just try to silence people. All that does is reinforce their beliefs.

Starts with guns, then drivers licence then bank accounts etc etc Believe what we tell you or else.

[womble]

What did Ned actually say though ?

Nothing apparently, well a sigh. Officially he intended to make a speech but didn't in the end

The sigh was later reported in the media to mean "Ah, Well, I Suppose” or ‘Ah, well, I suppose it has come to this’ but this wasn't catchy enough for the Herald’s reporter, James Middleton so he changed it to "Such is life"

Such is life sells a lot of merch though.
I always find it funny when people plaster it on their 4wd.
Not something he would have said. He was Irish not French.

[ColdStart]

I think it's far more effective to call someone out directly on their behaviour, but I totally understand that many people are too scared to do it.

i've learnt over the years calling people out directly quite often results in giving them what they want . attention and a argument . wouldn't say i'm scared to do so , just had better results calling out the behaviour rather than the person . i'm in no way perfect, but i try my best . cheers mate

Oh I agree, it gives them exactly what they want: attention. But that attention also tends to reveal to everyone else what they’re really like. They don’t see it that way, of course, but calling it out isn’t mainly for their benefit.

The problem I have with the indirect approach is that it relies on them having insight into their own behaviour and if they had that, they wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with.

I actually like it when people disagree with me, it’s a good way to learn something from a different perspective. The issue is, it only works if the other person has enough intelligence to make it worthwhile, which is somewhat rare.

[ColdStart]

What did Ned actually say though ?

Nothing apparently, well a sigh. Officially he intended to make a speech but didn't in the end

The sigh was later reported in the media to mean "Ah, Well, I Suppose” or ‘Ah, well, I suppose it has come to this’ but this wasn't catchy enough for the Herald’s reporter, James Middleton so he changed it to "Such is life"

Such is life sells a lot of merch though.
I always find it funny when people plaster it on their 4wd.
Not something he would have said. He was Irish not French.

I agree, it’s just as funny when people get it tattooed for the same reason.

Given he was Irish, “Ah, well, I suppose” sounds far more like something he’d actually have said than “Such is life.”

By the way, an old friend of mine is one of the few direct descendants of Ned (through his sister), so maybe that’s why I’ve ended up knowing a bit more about him.

[womble]

Top of the mornin to ya guvnor ack gluk blarg aaar

[womble]

A firearms prohibition order can in Victoria be issued and your firearms seized for just about any reason, such as

You smile to much
You're to happy
You associate with people we don't like
You hold religious views we don't like.
You attended a protest

Most people don't understand this or the fact the Police don't need to tell you why its even been issued.

People think what I posted above is nonsense because they don't understand the law. They think we have the "right" to firearms, you don't its at the government grace and has been for a long time.

They don’t like smiling. That’s true.

There are genuine religious views that would crossover to some sovcit beliefs. There are branches of religions that won’t take vaccines or even donate blood.
And you have religious freedom by constitution. The authorities can’t intervene there.
There will be a significant number of people caught up in this that will win their case in court. But it will be costly.

[MG5150]

Were they confiscating legally owned and registered firearms from people who identify as SC?

Or were they doing raids of SC properties and finding illegally owned or unregistered firearms?

They were targeting people who identified as SC

Gun owners known for espousing sovereign-citizen ideology were targeted in the five-day operation last week across metropolitan and regional WA.

So if you have the wrong thought's or political view you're not allowed to have guns now?

[womble]

Our thoughts become our actions.
They’ve killed 5 policemen now. And one civilian, Wiembla
I think the police are more than upset about that.

[Billo]

billo and coldstart , your mud slinging is achieving nothing . please stick to intelligent debate . i disagree with womble on topics , but we put forward our views in a respectful manner . we do take the p!ss out of each other occasionally , no insult intended

There has been no mud slinging or disrespect from me, I truly believed Billo was drunk posting, but after his last post he is clearly arguing with his own delusional fantasy on what he thinks I believe without even bothering to ask or read what I have said.

Its hard to argue with a delusional fantasy in his head.

Actually I was enjoying the footy with the missus, put some money on Reece for man of the match, happy days

[ColdStart]

There will be a significant number of people caught up in this that will win their case in court. But it will be costly.

One would hope the court would overturn something like that and if the grounds were as absurd as "smiling too much" or someone’s religion, it almost certainly would. But that’s the issue: the Act contains no definition of "behaviour", so while the court might eventually rule against the order, police technically haven’t acted unlawfully by using those reasons, unless and until a Supreme Court precedent is set, and even then it may be narrow.

As you said, fighting it is expensive and slow. Realistically, you're looking at a couple of years at present. And because the police haven’t technically breached the law, you’re unlikely to recover costs even if you win.

To make matters worse, until you actually challenge the order in court, police are not even required to disclose the grounds it was issued on.

[ColdStart]

I think the police are more than upset about that.

A bit like the Walsh Street shootings, remember how a detective shot a suspect 6 times with his own police revolver and than took his partners revolver to shoot the suspect a 7th time in the back of the head. That;s pretty upset about it.

After being acquitted of that murder the same detective years later was sent to jail for drug dealing

[womble]

Yep I think they’re that upset and itching for payback

[bigrich]

Our thoughts become our actions. .

so free speech and free thought are banned now ?
until someone acts, or is preparing to act , with evidence of such, we are supposed to be presumed innocent . sounds like a Orwellian mindset to me . if i was of the belief that QLD should succeed from the federation (and i did post that ) , does that make me a enemy of the guv'ment ?

[bigrich]

There will be a significant number of people caught up in this that will win their case in court. But it will be costly.

One would hope the court would overturn something like that and if the grounds were as absurd as "smiling too much" or someone’s religion, it almost certainly would. But that’s the issue: the Act contains no definition of "behaviour", so while the court might eventually rule against the order, police technically haven’t acted unlawfully by using those reasons, unless and until a Supreme Court precedent is set, and even then it may be narrow.

As you said, fighting it is expensive and slow. Realistically, you're looking at a couple of years at present. And because the police haven’t technically breached the law, you’re unlikely to recover costs even if you win.

To make matters worse, until you actually challenge the order in court, police are not even required to disclose the grounds it was issued on.

bottom line , justice costs lots of money in our country . unless your prepared to spend up big , guv'ment wins

[Wapiti]

Our thoughts become our actions.
They’ve killed 5 policemen now. And one civilian, Wiembla
I think the police are more than upset about that.

Man, you are one obvious troll.
You are not clever enough to hide your intentions.

[alexjones]

Our thoughts become our actions. .

so free speech and free thought are banned now ?
until someone acts, or is preparing to act , with evidence of such, we are supposed to be presumed innocent . sounds like a Orwellian mindset to me . if i was of the belief that QLD should succeed from the federation (and i did post that ) , does that make me a enemy of the guv'ment ?

I always identify as a North Queenslander first and Australian second. I can't identity solidarity with a limp wrist Melbourne commie or a WA gun hater.

[womble]

Our thoughts become our actions. .

so free speech and free thought are banned now ?
until someone acts, or is preparing to act , with evidence of such, we are supposed to be presumed innocent . sounds like a Orwellian mindset to me . if i was of the belief that QLD should succeed from the federation (and i did post that ) , does that make me a enemy of the guv'ment ?

"Watch your thoughts, they become words; watch your words, they become actions; watch your actions, they become habits; watch your habits, they become character; watch your character, it becomes your destiny". Lau Tzu

I think Desi played out the narrative in his head when faced with a confrontation

[womble]

Our thoughts become our actions.
They’ve killed 5 policemen now. And one civilian, Wiembla
I think the police are more than upset about that.

Man, you are one obvious troll.
You are not clever enough to hide your intentions.

Go f*** yourself creep

[womble]

Counterproductive https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-07/wa-sovereign-citizen-gun-raids-fears-dramatic-response/105859644

[bigrich]

"Watch your thoughts, they become words; watch your words, they become actions; watch your actions, they become habits; watch your habits, they become character; watch your character, it becomes your destiny". Lau Tzu

i think the above applies to people of weak morals and character

[ColdStart]

bottom line , justice costs lots of money in our country . unless your prepared to spend up big , guv'ment wins

That’s true pretty much everywhere. Justice systems aren’t designed for cheap or equal access, if they were, they’d collapse under the weight of dealing with cases. What most people don’t realise is that the system is structurally biased toward the state and administrative efficiency, not the individual. It’s built around rules that prioritise system management over fairness. That’s why we see what’s sometimes called justice by attrition. where cost, delay, and complexity wear people down long before they’re ever heard.

And that goes for the FPO, they are used as a tool for a number of different purposes and sometimes the police know full well it will be overturned in court, but that take a long time and money and if the purpose was to remove firearms from people it achieves it in the short term as a given and most probably the long term for most as they won't or can't fight it,

See, Justice by attrition.

The flip side is it can harden and radicalise some people, but that's fairly rare for the general public . But almost certain with Cooker's.

[alexjones]

So people that think the government is conspiring against them are having the government take their property for havening an opinion? That will convince them the government is good.

[womble]

Wapol are there own worst enemy.
Joe public, who knows nothing about the firearms act. just perceives this as innocent people who have committed no crime being persecuted.
The hearings are available to view on ssaa YouTube channel. If you want to sit through 4 hours or so.
But it gives you and idea of what gun owners are up against. These people are straight up communists. They have no empathy whatsoever.
You have farmers, who faced with a drought situation and forced to destroy stock, will literally need to do so with a rock. You might have to put down a couple of hundred sheep with a rock.
Put this to the board of inquiry and they are just blank. They don’t hear you. They can’t reason. They don’t care. It’s incredulous to watch.

They only want the police armed in that state. Period. That’s all they’re fixated on. They’re just rolling it out piece by piece without compromise no matter what the hardship.

Whoever still owns guns there. You’re not a criminal today. But you will be tomorrow. Through no actions of your own.