"Sovereign citizens"

[fussy]

https://www.news.com.au/national/wester ... 7bf66f4e41

Interesting.
Is this for real, or just an excuse to confiscate guns on the basis of 'deeming' someone a risk, as they claimed to be (or are falsely accused of being) a sovereign citizen?

[Billo]

I'd suggest some stupid idiots who dont like to play by the rules have drawn unwanted attention to themselves, they can go and get stuffed if they threaten my past time

[womble]

Not good.
I don’t like it, but truth be told the amount of cooker garbage you read in hunting, shooting social media was going to bring down extra scrutiny apon as all eventually.
I think we’ll be seeing a lot more of this.
These people live on rage bait and eventually they can’t take it anymore and crack.
We have a bad situation in Sydney this morning. Not something we’ve seen in this country since the late 80s early 90s.

[bigrich]

Not good.
I don’t like it, but truth be told the amount of cooker garbage you read in hunting, shooting social media was going to bring down extra scrutiny apon as all eventually.
I think we’ll be seeing a lot more of this.
These people live on rage bait and eventually they can’t take it anymore and crack.
We have a bad situation in Sydney this morning. Not something we’ve seen in this country since the late 80s early 90s.

please elaborate about the sydney situation . cheers

[Wapiti]

It was the Grand Final, silly!

Shoulda been in Brisbane, though.

Apart from anything else going on, how has this got anything to do with sport shooters - hunters?
More print, airtime, bandwidth about people who crack a valve about something is just fuelling the dribble.

[Robin]

These “cookers” are almost like another organized religion. They’ve simply traded one set of beliefs for another. It’s easy to accept something as true if someone presents it convincingly enough. People can believe whatever they want, but when those beliefs cross into hate, that’s when it becomes dangerous — because it starts influencing real-world actions. As Yoda said, “Don’t give in to the dark side.” Unfortunately, COVID has created even more “cookers,” and the more that emerge, the heavier the crackdowns will become — which will eventually affect the rest of us too.

[alexjones]

I am not a dirty commie. People have the right to believe what they want and hate who they want. That is the essence of freedom.

Starts with guns, then drivers licence then bank accounts etc etc Believe what we tell you or else.

[bigrich]

These “cookers” are almost like another organized religion. They’ve simply traded one set of beliefs for another. It’s easy to accept something as true if someone presents it convincingly enough. People can believe whatever they want, but when those beliefs cross into hate, that’s when it becomes dangerous — because it starts influencing real-world actions. As Yoda said, “Don’t give in to the dark side.” Unfortunately, COVID has created even more “cookers,” and the more that emerge, the heavier the crackdowns will become — which will eventually affect the rest of us too.

where the hell does this "cookers" tag/slang come from ?

please explain......

[alexjones]

If you want to defeat a bad argument then use a good argument. Do not just try to silence people. All that does is reinforce their beliefs.

[MG5150]

These “cookers” are almost like another organized religion. They’ve simply traded one set of beliefs for another. It’s easy to accept something as true if someone presents it convincingly enough. People can believe whatever they want, but when those beliefs cross into hate, that’s when it becomes dangerous — because it starts influencing real-world actions. As Yoda said, “Don’t give in to the dark side.” Unfortunately, COVID has created even more “cookers,” and the more that emerge, the heavier the crackdowns will become — which will eventually affect the rest of us too.

where the hell does this "cookers" tag/slang come from ?

please explain......

I'm not sure whether they call it cookers from 'cooking up a conspiracy' or that a lot of early conspiracy theorists wore tinfoil hats or colanders on their heads to block out certain frequencies. Right now a cooker is a derogatory term for anyone conspiratorial minded or who questions mainstream narratives.

That being said, almost all of the conspiracies tied to covid and the UN 30/30 agenda are turning out to be true

-coviod coming from a lab in China
-vaccines killing people or being worse than covid
-15 minute cities
- digital ID's coming in to control the population

disarming the population is coming up next

I think a healthy dose of skeptecism is good, too much can make you cinnical, but the governments, MSM and police (especially here in Vic, lockdown capital of the world) the powers that be really overdid it and eroded what little public trust was left.

[ColdStart]

where the hell does this "cookers" tag/slang come from ?

please explain......

From the "drug term" cooked, as in they have taken so many drugs they are cooked (out of their mind), Also Cooked as in his been out in the sun to long and cooked his brain.

Basically someone who is destroying there brain/going mad aka a "cooker" once its done they are "cooked"

[womble]

These “cookers” are almost like another organized religion. They’ve simply traded one set of beliefs for another. It’s easy to accept something as true if someone presents it convincingly enough. People can believe whatever they want, but when those beliefs cross into hate, that’s when it becomes dangerous — because it starts influencing real-world actions. As Yoda said, “Don’t give in to the dark side.” Unfortunately, COVID has created even more “cookers,” and the more that emerge, the heavier the crackdowns will become — which will eventually affect the rest of us too.

where the hell does this "cookers" tag/slang come from ?

please explain......

I'm not sure whether they call it cookers from 'cooking up a conspiracy' or that a lot of early conspiracy theorists wore tinfoil hats or colanders on their heads to block out certain frequencies. Right now a cooker is a derogatory term for anyone conspiratorial minded or who questions mainstream narratives.

That being said, almost all of the conspiracies tied to covid and the UN 30/30 agenda are turning out to be true

-coviod coming from a lab in China
-vaccines killing people or being worse than covid
-15 minute cities
- digital ID's coming in to control the population

disarming the population is coming up next

I think a healthy dose of skeptecism is good, too much can make you cinnical, but the governments, MSM and police (especially here in Vic, lockdown capital of the world) the powers that be really overdid it and eroded what little public trust was left.

These aren’t conspiracies.
Disarming the population has been on the agenda since the early 80’s . Thatcher, Reagan, Howard. The founders of gun control.
After the Dunblane massacre the UK acted. Same year Port Arthur, ours comes into effect.

It was never about public safety. Simply about automatic rifles.
The state had to hold that advantage in a combat situation with any civilian uprising. In any skirmish you’re outgunned with a manual action. Your opponent can break cover after you fire.

Vaccines killing people. It happens but it’s rare. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few. We can’t eliminate diseases without herd immunity.
Digital ID.. You have a mobile phone. You can be tracked, monitored anywhere on the globe.
15 minute cities was actually a beneficial design in high population areas, for everyone to save time and money. Conspiracy theorists just took it and manipulated it for their own gains.
That’s how conspiracy works. They suck you in with an element of truth. And then you don’t question what follows.

[ColdStart]

Sovereign citizens are on the rise mainly because COVID shook a lot of people’s trust in government. Things like lockdowns, mandates, and heavy-handed rules pushed some to reject authority altogether. For many, it was the first time they saw the mask slip, they realised the government isn’t always there to protect the individual and doesn’t always act in the public’s best interest. That was a wake-up call for a lot of Australians.

Now that some of the lies and half-truths from that time have come out or been exposed, it’s only confirmed what a lot of people already suspected, that the government was not upfront and didn’t have everyone’s best interests at heart. That confirmation fuels even more distrust.

Add to that the mental health damage caused by lockdowns. The government promised to spend big on recovery and support, especially for mental health, but after nearly bankrupting itself, that help never really came. People were left to deal with it alone. That frustration has been simmering for years, and it’s now fertile ground for movements like the sovereign citizen scene to grow. A lot of people are still angry, and it's boiling over.

Social media only makes it worse. The algorithms feed people what they already believe, creating echo chambers that keep them engaged. You get flooded with videos and posts telling you the law doesn’t apply, you don’t have to pay fines, and the system is fake. Once you're in that loop, it feels like everyone agrees with you.

It’s especially taken off in areas where people already feel ignored or fed up. For some, it’s a way to feel like they’re taking control.

[bigrich]

Sovereign citizens are on the rise mainly because COVID shook a lot of people’s trust in government. Things like lockdowns, mandates, and heavy-handed rules pushed some to reject authority altogether. For many, it was the first time they saw the mask slip, they realised the government isn’t always there to protect the individual and doesn’t always act in the public’s best interest. That was a wake-up call for a lot of Australians.

Now that some of the lies and half-truths from that time have come out or been exposed, it’s only confirmed what a lot of people already suspected, that the government was not upfront and didn’t have everyone’s best interests at heart. That confirmation fuels even more distrust.

Add to that the mental health damage caused by lockdowns. The government promised to spend big on recovery and support, especially for mental health, but after nearly bankrupting itself, that help never really came. People were left to deal with it alone. That frustration has been simmering for years, and it’s now fertile ground for movements like the sovereign citizen scene to grow. A lot of people are still angry, and it's boiling over.

Social media only makes it worse. The algorithms feed people what they already believe, creating echo chambers that keep them engaged. You get flooded with videos and posts telling you the law doesn’t apply, you don’t have to pay fines, and the system is fake. Once you're in that loop, it feels like everyone agrees with you.

It’s especially taken off in areas where people already feel ignored or fed up. For some, it’s a way to feel like they’re taking control.

your absolutely right in my opinion

[womble]

Started with QAnon.
But yes a new target demographic to exploit here during covid lockdowns.
It’s potent. And enticing.
Yes a sense of empowerment for the individual in a world where he or she perceives persecution. As coldstart alludes to.

It’s a massive industry. Mostly California based. It used to target the left with bulls**t like like pyramid shapes magic healing and crystals and s**t. A lot in BC Canada also. No money in scamming hippies though.
Nowadays it targets working class and up.
We even have home grown grifters here making a living from it. Wankitti has linked a few on here.

But add to to that Russia already had the bot farms and infrastructure in place to take advantage and weaponise covid with misinformation.
One in 400 Americans perished. More than the Spanish flu per capita. Because they were convinced the cure was worse than the disease.

Fun fact. Ron Watkins was here in country. Rural Queensland, during the Wiembla shootings.
I believe we quietly deported him. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Watkins

[straightshooter]

What seems lost on those that make use of the words "Sovereign Citizen" is that it is inherently a contradiction of terms.
Sovereign = Supreme ruler or in this context a person that is not subject to any higher authority than themselves.
Citizen = Inhabitant of a City, State or Country accepting of the laws and customs incumbent as a consequence of that citizenship.

[womble]

Technically they should require visas.
Or we should deport them to international waters.