Thoughts on what push button/lever release shotgun

[Fester]

Qld will be tightening up like other states as they have already started putting things into their regulations and policy like the high cal PTAs. It won't stop there, just a one by one.

I would just by a T2000, but need another safe first.
I will keep the T1000 20" as a brush gun, but a T2000 28" would be the choice for birds, ducks, and rabbits.

I could never go a full tactical shotty as I can't see them handling well or shouldering nicely.
I am not going to find out and like a wood shotty, for some unknown reason.

The Dicko I have handles as well as anything and I shoot clays with a Pigion sporter.
I shot a few clays with the 20" when I first bought it and was hitting them, so it must be OK.
It has a pretty s**t recoil pad, but I think it recoils less than a fully locked up action and suspect the bolt has a slight give movement when fired, not sure, but I think I noticed it.

A semi would be hardly worthwhile, and it takes years, from what I heard, then where can you use it?
A Templeton is close enough, and cleaning the gas port or whatever is a small price to pay, it can't filth up that fast, surely.

May as well have one now as it won't be allowed for much longer in Wokeworld.

[womble]

The bolt unlocks after firing on a straight pull.
No different than a semi auto.
They’re based on semi auto platforms, just they’ve been retarded, because apparently we’re too retarded to own semi auto shotguns.
So the bolt will move back slightly on recoil. It’s unlocked after the hammer falls.
But you pull that bolt apart and it’s solid inside. Tamper proof. Can’t be converted to a semi.

They do filth up pretty fast the Templetons, but they are a nicely finished firearm. The pick of the bunch easily.

Enough of your procrastinating Fester. Just buy one already. Worry about fitting in the safe later. You’ll find a way.

[ColdStart]

With the T2000 button release, do you need to take you thumb of the button for it to reset or does the recoil force it back up into lock/reset?

Also how stiff is the button to push.

[jezzab]

With the T2000 button release, do you need to take you thumb of the button for it to reset or does the recoil force it back up into lock/reset?

Also how stiff is the button to push.

You can rest it on it
It takes about 2mm of travel to release the bolt with the button

[ColdStart]

With the T2000 button release, do you need to take you thumb of the button for it to reset or does the recoil force it back up into lock/reset?

Also how stiff is the button to push.

You can rest it on it
It takes about 2mm of travel to release the bolt with the button

Thanks, good to know. 2mm isn't much.

[Wapiti]

So finally made a decision, and went for a Buckmaster PB12. Skipped the strange buttstocks with the (sort of) adjustable buffer tubes and catch-on-everything cartridge clips etc, and went for the tube mag streamlined 7-shot version.
The Mrs. wants to carry it between places and this will be legal because a Cat A can be used on all properties, not just the ones they are registered on like Cat C,D&H gear.

Was a bit concerned at first though, as when I walked into the shop there was a customer handing his Chimera 223 pushbutton back in, apparently it's new and the cases aren't extracting, the extractor is ripping the sides off the rims and he needs a cleaning rod to knock the cases out. He had 3 brands of factory ammo, all were doing it. I saw the cases in a bag, they had big grooves in them from a chamber that looked very badly cut, almost like shallow threads on a bolt.
Poor bloke. Hopefully it won't take forever for him to get a gun of acceptable quality back.

Hopefully this same brand of HMAS made stuff in 12g is going to be of acceptable workmanship.

[jezzab]

Did you get the Gen 2?

[Bugman]

Would not buy a lever action, push button etc shotgun. Tradition dies hard with me. A good double barrel 12 gauge is my choice. But freedom of choice is out there, so
get what suits you.

[Wapiti]

Did you get the Gen 2?

Yes, the version with a rear sight built into a pic rail and a front rifle sight, only because she wants to try a spare Deltapoint Pro that's sitting here.
It has some gay tacticool "door breacher" thing screwed on the end, that'll come straight off most likely unless it will protect the muzzle from dents etc.
No commando wannabe pistol grip or adjustable butt, just a plain open grip buttstock so it points fast and fits into small spaces like a b-pillar in the ute away from view.

Its not for me, it's for the Mrs.. She picked it from the catalogue and being cat A it can go anywhere legally.

My view of these things are that they are pot-metal garbage. After spending time looking at all the different types, brands, whatever I am sure that none of these things is ideal or made to last. Ejecting a spent case then sitting open where the new shell can just fall out if you tip it sideways before hitting the gay button is a joke. I'll keep my 870 thanks, it's solid steel and feeds anything I want to shoot in it.

[Blr243]

Wapiti , that chimera chamber u described sound’s appalling

[Wapiti]

Poor bloke. I didn't get to see the chamber because the gun was assembled but the fired cases in the bag he had, had shiny grooves in them which should not be there.
The fired shells were also very dirty looking.
The unfired ammo was brand new factory stuff.
Unless somehow, the hole drilled in the barrel that drives the gas piston to eject the case was overly large, which you wouldn't imagine, it must've been the chamber gripping the case when the bolt was unlocking and trying to move rearward, and so the extractor was pulling the rims off.
If the gas port size is too large the bolt will start to move before the chamber pressure has dropped to zero and released the case from the chamber walls. But how could that happen in random guns off an assembly line?
Unless the design of the gas system has some way to be assembled incorrectly and then malfunction like that?

Anyway, sh*t happens I spose, maybe the bloke making it was missing afternoon prayers?

[Wapiti]

Are there any members out there that have a Buckmaster PB12, and your thoughts on yours so far?
Is there any ammo types they don't like, as far as extracting and ejecting that anyone has found?

[Fester]

It would be good to know how reliable these different push button brands go and if they cycle well with lower power target ammo.

To my limited knowledge, the T2000 goes well and the Dicko was also the best action when the straight pulls first came here.
You can get a bad jam if you play cowboy and rush the action too fast with my Dicko, not an easy clear job.
I wonder if the Templeton can do the same.

They all seem to go well in normal field use at non-rushed pace from what I have seen.

On the AHP outdoors Youtube channel, 2 of them do some duck shooting and look to go well.
They had a few jams on a previous vid, but may have been when the guns were new, or an ammo issue, I didn't hear any feedback.

I had to return 2 slabs of different brand target ammo over the past year or so because my Silver Pidgeon would lock up after firing, and very hard to open the action.
The way ammo companies have gone, with production ruling over QC is the cause, as the shotty had shot everything without fault in the past.
Sad, as I used that well-known brand of target ammo for years without issue, and tried many of their different speed 7.5s
It was meant to be the light loads that recoil less, so no reason to be high pressure.
They measured a bit longer than several other brand shells I had and that was the likely fault.
I won't be buying the brand again and only shoot brands I have tried and tested.

[Wapiti]

That is a good point of reliability with certain types of shot, if a brand can't use a popular weight then what's the point.
7-1/2 shot is a viable option for primary production use, pest birds and more importantly, they make a great lethal pattern for certain snakes.

All good and well that they can function with buckshot, but as any person who relies on any firearm to clean up a real animal problem reliably, a shotgun is never the best choice with a pattern you can drive a quad like through at the further limit you could chuck rocks. Because you can only carry one firearm at a time, so reaching for a 30-30 when the boar or dog is at 75m is going to be very likely a big fail, although it would've been a better choice in the first place.

All these myriad of different takes on getting round Australia's laws have made some people a lot of money, but haven't made a shotgun pattern more useful for some of us, nor upped the ante on quality.

[Fester]

Yeah, if you can't play with birdshot, it is going to cut its usefulness, and be more expensive shooting.

Some old hands use 7.5s for rabbits and stuff, I wouldn't want a field load for a snake in the chook pen and target ammo is the go for pest birds.

Even my smith agreed that the Dicko fit and finish was fine, and nothing like the crapboxes that started it all, not that I ever wanted an Adler.

[Wapiti]

FMD, the wife just got an email from Qld WL that she needs to give them more information about her application for A CAT A firearm...
About why her current guns do jot satisfy the need.

You blokes that think all the BS shinnanigans going on up here with these otherwise useless government oxygen thieves giving the REAL Australians a hard time is BS, it really isn't.

[mchughcb]

I thought the most useful things people shoot with tactical shotguns are melons on a post at 20 yards then complain they won't cycle trap loads at the range and can't hit squat.

[bladeracer]

Never heard of this for CatA, that's ridiculous.

I just wrote one of these this morning for the Uberti 1866 I brought home from NSW. Down here we need to supply additional information for every CatB firearm after our first fifteen explaining why our current collection is insufficient to fill the role.

I hope they aren't going to start doing it for CatH as well.

FMD, the wife just got an email from Qld WL that she needs to give them more information about her application for A CAT A firearm...
About why her current guns do jot satisfy the need.

You blokes that think all the BS shinnanigans going on up here with these otherwise useless government oxygen thieves giving the REAL Australians a hard time is BS, it really isn't.

[Wapiti]

I thought the most useful things people shoot with tactical shotguns are melons on a post at 20 yards then complain they won't cycle trap loads at the range and can't hit squat.

There seem to be some of these brands of shotguns that will cycle target loads, and some won't. I'm hoping that this one will. The dealer reckons it will so here's hoping.
The whole idea of a shotgun is to make use of all the different types of ammo available, isn't that the idea?
It is disappointing, although quite informative to see people denigrating others by belittling their choices by someone else's imagination. What's a tactical shotgun anyway?
Black stock? Holds more than two?
I reckon you've been doing your shooting too long from a keyboard, not everyone gets their opinions on "fellow firearms users" from YouTube and dreaming of watermelons. You should get out more mate, you might make some friends in real life.

[mchughcb]

I have no idea what you are talking about . I've shot almost every type of Turkish lever action, straight pull and push button type in clays and hunting. I've outshot all them with my triple barrel 20G. Not saying I wouldn't buy one, I'm just saying for every type of hunting that doesn't degenerate into needed 5+1 shots of SGs to drop a pig at 30m the 26" triple shines.

With the constant remarks about keyboard hunting, I find they are much easier to film than the several hundred on my public YouTube channel. I only get out few days per week. I'm sure there are people who hunt every day while the wife pays the bills but I'm not one of them sorry.