It might be coming to your door as well

[1886]

Guys check out the last comments.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/gun-s ... 2ead97b347

[deye243]

Let's face it what does a crim actually get for stealing a gun maybe a year or two if his got history any crime no matter how light should have a mandatory minimum sentence of 30 years and I don't mean an A Country Club prison either

[womble]

Typical media beat up following the script.
Here we go mention port Arthur by the third paragraph. Oh our savour Jon Howard who’s greatness we must acknowledge.
Then some heavily skewed stats. Because if you include huge thefts in number from government armouries with insider knowledge. Well then your average per hour is going to quadruple.

Let’s throw in some false information for dramatics “ Theft of legal guns is the main source of illegal guns in Australia”
False. What they intercept at the border is a drop in the ocean. No different than drugs or illegal ciggies or any other contraband.
We cannot control our borders. We suck at it. Because it’s too massive a task.
We didn’t even notice a bigass Chinaman warship doing a hot lap.

Interviewee of article Rod Campbell. Not his background. Not his field. Dose’nt know what he’s talking about.
He’s a contributor for Crikey magazine. He just hates guns. Thats all. Some people do.

And lastly it’s 9 news. So it’s just written by chat gp with a few prompts.

Coming to your door soon op. That’s realistic unfortunately. Be prepared.
The illegal trade here and is enormous. Because we are relatively soft on those who get caught it’s the best place on the planet for organised crime.
The drugs that are popular currently, ice and coke. You cannot compete in that market without guns at any level from street up. They are a necessity. And so there’s high demand for guns by any means and they fetch lucrative prices.
Recreational drugs have been normalised here because young people can’t afford to buy alcohol.

[womble]

Let's face it what does a crim actually get for stealing a gun maybe a year or two if his got history any crime no matter how light should have a mandatory minimum sentence of 30 years and I don't mean an A Country Club prison either

Always a year or two and yet the penalty is 10 years for possession of an illegal firearm.

[bigrich]

more leftist media scaremongering bullsh!t . scary thing is the main stream population think it's all true

a couple of years ago the feds claimed they seized 900 illegal handguns . ssaa pulled them on the fact that the 900 "guns" were actually individual parts counted as a complete gun . mis information of the general public is getting ridiculous. pushing for WA style laws won't have any impact on the amount of crims knocking each other off . just more political spin for the masses like the machete bins .

[womble]

Nope. Right wing news.
9 news. Commercial and for profit. Publicly listed. Merged with Fairfax 2018.

Major shareholders
Birketu Pty Ltd: The largest shareholder, with approximately 20% of the shares. It is associated with billionaire Bruce Gordon and his WIN Corporation.
Perpetual Investment Management Ltd: Holds a significant stake of around 8.8%.
Macquarie Bank Ltd (Private Banking): Holds approximately 6.4% of the shares.
Australian Retirement Trust Pty Ltd: Owns about 5% of the company's shares.
State Street Global Advisors: Holds a significant stake of around 5.12%.
Fidelity International Ltd: Holds about 5.05% of the shares.
Yarra Funds Management Limited: Holds around 5.04%.

Billion dollar corporation’s.
Nothing leftist to see here.


Know your fudds

[bigrich]

[quote="womble"]Nope. Right wing news.
9 news. Commercial and for profit. Publicly listed. Merged with Fairfax 2018.

Major shareholders
Birketu Pty Ltd: The largest shareholder, with approximately 20% of the shares. It is associated with billionaire Bruce Gordon and his WIN Corporation.
Perpetual Investment Management Ltd: Holds a significant stake of around 8.8%.
Macquarie Bank Ltd (Private Banking): Holds approximately 6.4% of the shares.
Australian Retirement Trust Pty Ltd: Owns about 5% of the company's shares.
State Street Global Advisors: Holds a significant stake of around 5.12%.
Fidelity International Ltd: Holds about 5.05% of the shares.
Yarra Funds Management Limited: Holds around 5.04%.

Billion dollar corporation’s.
Nothing leftist to see here.

you can call them right all you want . their views are leftist in my opinion . sky is right leaning , and the only source i really put much stock in . you can give me all the stockholders , but what news they report/don't report is leftist . stock holders don't care , so long as they get $$$

[womble]

Not what I call them. Just a fact.
Commercial mass media made to manipulate the masses for profit.
Of no benefit to the left whatsoever.
Only exists to exploit the left and benefits only the billionaires who own our politicians.

Leftist values.
freedom, equality, justice, solidarity, pluralism, and progress.
Ok. You have a problem with those. Well you must have a lot of money and hold yourself high above the rest of us.
The very term itself originated in France. And in the French revolution 1789 you would have ended up at the guillotine because your king lost.

Sky news is right leaning. Yes it is very much so. No freedom for the masses. Only the wealthy landholders.

[bigrich]

Not what I call them. Just a fact.
Commercial mass media made to manipulate the masses for profit.
Of no benefit to the left whatsoever.
Only exists to exploit the left and benefits only the billionaires who own our politicians.

reply- when the news and stories they report backs left wing ideology , anti gun, more refugees /imigration, that's left wing. the lead up of news on the march for australia, with the use of the nazi word, when that was not the case, is leftist mate

Leftist values.
freedom, equality, justice, solidarity, pluralism, and progress.
Ok. You have a problem with those. Well you must have a lot of money and hold yourself high above the rest of us.
The very term itself originated in France. And in the French revolution 1789 you would have ended up at the guillotine because your king lost.

reply- the values you list for leftism don't gel with the history of china or russia mate . stalin's purges in russia, tienamin square . freedom, justice . really? as for me holding myself higher than everyone else i've been a blue collar sheet metal worker most of my life . 57 years old and still on the tools bud . rich ? i wish . i'm starting to think your trolling by your personal criticism and assumptions

Sky news is right leaning. Yes it is very much so. No freedom for the masses. Only the wealthy landholders.

reply- freedom for the masses ? yes comrade , lenin says this . all those people who work hard to attain a comfortable life or who make smart decisions are evil and we should redistribute the wealth hey comrade ?

reply- a meme ? yeah, if i was more computer literate i could probably post one myself . i thought the whole point of this topic was about chanel 9 news article and the anti gun misinformation , with a call for WA style gun laws . that's socialist, commie leftist ideology in my book i value common sensed conservative political views that put this nation and the individual rights of it's citizens ahead of more labor style leftist control like in victoria . i still can't get over you making out i'm rich and think i'm high and mighty i've stated on this forum a few times i'm a blue collar guy in logan QLD . i'm not shy about who i am, and what i'll stand for . i asked you about where your located and what your situation is , and got no response . i'm now curious to see what spin on this post you'll try now i'm off to work in a couple of hours to build this country , pay my taxes , and earn some honest money to put in my bank account so i can enjoy the rapidly disappearing freedoms and lifestyle of australia . cheers , have a great day comrade

[Wapiti]

Not what I call them. Just a fact.
Commercial mass media made to manipulate the masses for profit.
Of no benefit to the left whatsoever.
Only exists to exploit the left and benefits only the billionaires who own our politicians.

Leftist values.
freedom, equality, justice, solidarity, pluralism, and progress.
Ok. You have a problem with those. Well you must have a lot of money and hold yourself high above the rest of us.
The very term itself originated in France. And in the French revolution 1789 you would have ended up at the guillotine because your king lost.

Sky news is right leaning. Yes it is very much so. No freedom for the masses. Only the wealthy landholders.

Give it a break. And above all stop with your twisted assumptions and inane comparisons.
And there you go again with putting down fellow hunters that are the real deal, unlike plants and wannabes like yourself.
People who are actually having a go.

[alexjones]

2000 guns stolen a year? 2000 out of 4 million is 0.2%. That is nothing.

[bigrich]

2000 guns stolen a year? 2000 out of 4 million is 0.2%. That is nothing.

the number of 2000 is still enough to scare the public. i wonder what portion of those were stolen from police ? there was a real spate of thefts from cops a few years ago . i still reckon it's a bullsh!t article . wonder how many were wall hangers and gel blasters
but the MSM won't let the truth get in the way of a scaremongering story .

[alexjones]

2000 guns stolen a year? 2000 out of 4 million is 0.2%. That is nothing.

the number of 2000 is still enough to scare the public. i wonder what portion of those were stolen from police ? there was a real spate of thefts from cops a few years ago . i still reckon it's a bullsh!t article . wonder how many were wall hangers and gel blasters
but the MSM won't let the truth get in the way of a scaremongering story .

Yes it is media framing. How many guns were stolen before 1996? I would say it would of been more than 0.2%.

So if anything less guns are being stolen overtime. But never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

[womble]

About 0.4 probably. Per capita.

You do see a dramatic increase robbery, assault post 96 . Perhaps as expected.
But not as dramatic as the graphs appear because not accounting for population increase.
Although we didn’t really see a great population increase in that timeframe of increase.
So yea, dramatic.

Starts getting under control around 2000. Happy days by 2018. Then we start trending upwards again.
Vic crime is currently highest on record in the state’s history. And unlikely any realistic measures will be taken to address it.
So probably a good idea to sleep with a machete, and then just claim you wrestled it of the intruder before he was decapitated.

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/27-years-recorded-crime-victims-data

[Bugman]

I may have mentioned this before, but when I was studying management many years ago, one of the first text books I had to acquire, was a book written by a journalist
Darrell Huff, the book was "How to lie with statistics" in other words how present stats dishonestly or honestly.
As we all know, the truth is oh so easily distorted to accommodate one hidden agenda or another.

[womble]

I may have mentioned this before, but when I was studying management many years ago, one of the first text books I had to acquire, was a book written by a journalist
Darrell Huff, the book was "How to lie with statistics" in other words how present stats dishonestly or honestly.
As we all know, the truth is oh so easily distorted to accommodate one hidden agenda or another.

Yep and government uses all kinds of tricks to deceive the public. They really don’t care about human suffering and only fix the books to get themselves good ratings in the polls.
Like post covid we had stupid inflation. At one point 7.5 cpi officially. Realistically I think it was closer to 20%.
But of course you can only get a 7.5 increase on your wages.
If they need to bring down crime stats. Which is really all they care about, the stats, the data. Not the people. Then they just flood the country with new people who will typically be on their best behavior in their new land. Just bring in people who’ve lived in countries where crime was dealt with harshly and they won’t want any dealings with the police period.
Don’t deal with the crime, just increase the per capita.

And then when you get a government that has a monopoly on the media like the lnp. Suddenly not much crime is getting reported. People don’t hear about it as much so they figure it doesn’t happen as much.

The only feedback I trust is my neighbors and local community. There’s one property close to me that’s been hit twice in the last year.

Here’s a tip. If you ever see 3 or more blokes cruising around in a vehicle. There’s two possibilities. Cops or crims.

Back to stats though. On firearm deaths recorded here. We had a very trigger happy police force in the 80’s and I’m pretty sure those deaths are what skewed the stats.

[alexjones]

I seen a researcher at Sydney university talk about how since the 1996 gun ban more money has been put into mental health etc.

So his point was the gun ban is not successful it is all the other things but the government like to just say it was the gun ban.

[womble]

Crime, violence correlates to socio economic circumstances. I guess poor circumstances leads to more mental breakdowns.
But anyway, that’s the measure, the correlation.
When times are hard more people fail. Can’t pay their bills, can’t feed their families etc. can’t cope. Then something breaks the last straw and they give up.
You can see the correlation in the graphs I linked. But ideally ones that went back to the 70’s.
It really relates to high unemployment and high interest rates. Put very simply.

But the method of their destruction varies between cultures and countries. Mass murder can be cultural. In China its blades. In the UK it’s vehicles. In the US its guns. I’d argue here its fire.
Not always, but often something culturally significant. Because its revenge against that culture.

Lesser crimes. Theft and violent.
We're not in easy times now. Things are improving slowly. But a lot of people are falling down. I think the relatively sudden high inflation triggered it. Most people aren’t great at managing their money. And they didn’t adapt to it. spending beyond their means. A large segment of our population live hand to mouth.
Now they have to make ends meet somehow. They take more desperate measures.

I don’t think gun bans are about public safety. There’s just too much evidence to the contrary. There’s areas in the US that have virtually no restrictions on guns and virtually no crime. New Hampshire for example. But theres no crime because it’s a well to do area. Everyone is well off.
The US only introduced gun regulations when black people started buying them.

I’d also argue for harsh deterrents. Because the safest countries in the world all have them. From memory the top three safest. Japan, Singapore, Dubai all have the death penalty for serous crimes.

Generally speaking, id read gun bans as a government that’s not competent and leading you into bad times.
And I think that was a contributing factor in 96.
Howard took government as a hardline conservative to fix our problems, with a campaign we must all tighten our belts. Because the country was going downhill fast at the time.

What is interesting though , that during his timeframe . Nearly 12 years as prime minister . We see this massive influx of organized crime , bikie gangs .
And yet only a policing focus on clamping down on individuals. With more prohibitive legislation.
Basically tasked his police force with governing all firearm use deemed legitimate. And just a bizarre public spin of denial, that there was no organized crime or gang activity here.
It wasn’t until 2007 when Rudd the dud took office that there was a deliberate shift to take out organized crime.

[fussy]

I seen a researcher at Sydney university talk about how since the 1996 gun ban more money has been put into mental health etc.

So his point was the gun ban is not successful it is all the other things but the government like to just say it was the gun ban.

And the overall gun-murder rate was in decline since its peak in 1968 (28 years before 1996).
What we see now is a continuation of the pre-existing downwards trend.

Last I checked with the ABS:
5% of suicide in Oz use guns, yet these make up nearly 80% of gun related deaths.

[fussy]

https://www.news.com.au/national/victor ... fb3302fa72

“The type of weapon being used is not the problem, rather the reason for the use of the weapon and the root cause for increased violent offending in Victoria.”

Duh

[bigrich]

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/bandaid-solution-major-problem-with-victorias-machete-ban/news-story/1c0f0ef340e062f0c9d5c8fb3302fa72

“The type of weapon being used is not the problem, rather the reason for the use of the weapon and the root cause for increased violent offending in Victoria.”

Duh

a certain group of youths is responsible for a lot of this stuff . for serious offences like this deportation is a good deterrent if their not citizens . sounds harsh to some people i guess , but it's fair to me

[womble]

The problem is they are citizens.
It’s not just one particular ethnic group either.
They livestream this crap on tic toc. You get first person view of machete attacks. Phone in one hand machete in the other.
Accents and enunciation ranges a lot. Every thing from eshay lads to middle eastern.
They’re second generation spoiled brats mostly.