Legalisation of public land hunting in QLD

[GerardV]

Hi ladies and gents, please consider signing this ePetition to the QLD State Govt requesting the legalisation of hunting on public land in QLD.

The petition proposes a similar arrangement to the NSW R-licence. Previous attempts have been unsuccessful; however, I am hopeful that the new Minister for Environment will look more favourably on the proposal than his predecessor.

https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work- ... ls?id=4329

[bigrich]

signed . my only concern if this gets passed is idiot hunters lacking common sense doing the wrong thing and giving a negative public perception , which MSM and anti's love to do

[Wapiti]

I've been making submissions and working on this for years Rich, and still we're getting nowhere.
We did have hope that when we finally got rid of the completely anti-firearm Labor trash that's pretty much ruined and backstabbed country folk and demonised us in Qld, and we'd see some movement.
We have so to speak, but it's moving too slowly. Same as tge suppressors push for primary producers and professional (i.e. paid) pest control shooters. There's so much to do and to fix, and too many public servants been hired in the past without ANY performance or achievement measures in their employment contracts to even SEE the benefits let alone act on our suggestions.
Our suggestions being, for both the unimaginative and the "it's all too hard" brigade, is to simply adopt the NSW system.

We even had a poll up and people (shooters) bagged that.
Some of us now just see it's pointless without support from the public unfortunately.

[bigrich]

I've been making submissions and working on this for years Rich, and still we're getting nowhere.
We did have hope that when we finally got rid of the completely anti-firearm Labor trash that's pretty much ruined and backstabbed country folk and demonised us in Qld, and we'd see some movement.
We have so to speak, but it's moving too slowly. Same as tge suppressors push for primary producers and professional (i.e. paid) pest control shooters. There's so much to do and to fix, and too many public servants been hired in the past without ANY performance or achievement measures in their employment contracts to even SEE the benefits let alone act on our suggestions.
Our suggestions being, for both the unimaginative and the "it's all too hard" brigade, is to simply adopt the NSW system.

We even had a poll up and people (shooters) bagged that.
Some of us now just see it's pointless without support from the public unfortunately.

public support depends on how you tell (spin ) it . the environmental damage to native animals and environment as well as agriculture/grazing properties properly explained is pretty compelling . but no one in politics wants to step up and assume responsibility . if there's a hunting fatality there'll be a lot of finger pointing from lefty's. just have to keep plugging away , signing petitions , supporting advocate groups who will try pushing for state forest hunting

[GerardV]

I think there is something to be said for highlighting the economic benefits of hunting as seen in NSW and Vic.

A politician is more likely to support a cause where they can clearly see the benefit to their position, as opposed to wearing the perceived risk of having their name against something that has a (low) chance of an accident.

[bigrich]

I think there is something to be said for highlighting the economic benefits of hunting as seen in NSW and Vic.

A politician is more likely to support a cause where they can clearly see the benefit to their position, as opposed to wearing the perceived risk of having their name against something that has a (low) chance of an accident.

spot on mate . so long as there's something in it for them......

[MG5150]

Wish I could sign as a Victorian, I'd be up to hunt reds on public land every roar!

[womble]

Queensland residents only.

After a deep dive into Andrew Powell I think he will have a sympathetic ear.

[No1Mk3]

signed . my only concern if this gets passed is idiot hunters lacking common sense doing the wrong thing and giving a negative public perception , which MSM and anti's love to do

Not really an issue here, and we do have our fair share of "signpost shooters". If you gained the ability to hunt Crown land as we do I very much doubt Queenslanders would prove to be any more careless than us or NSW hunters, on average. Best of luck for what should really be a given in all States.

[Wapiti]

I've been making submissions and working on this for years Rich, and still we're getting nowhere.
We did have hope that when we finally got rid of the completely anti-firearm Labor trash that's pretty much ruined and backstabbed country folk and demonised us in Qld, and we'd see some movement.
We have so to speak, but it's moving too slowly. Same as tge suppressors push for primary producers and professional (i.e. paid) pest control shooters. There's so much to do and to fix, and too many public servants been hired in the past without ANY performance or achievement measures in their employment contracts to even SEE the benefits let alone act on our suggestions.
Our suggestions being, for both the unimaginative and the "it's all too hard" brigade, is to simply adopt the NSW system.

We even had a poll up and people (shooters) bagged that.
Some of us now just see it's pointless without support from the public unfortunately.

public support depends on how you tell (spin ) it . the environmental damage to native animals and environment as well as agriculture/grazing properties properly explained is pretty compelling . but no one in politics wants to step up and assume responsibility . if there's a hunting fatality there'll be a lot of finger pointing from lefty's. just have to keep plugging away , signing petitions , supporting advocate groups who will try pushing for state forest hunting

The politicians already have been given lots of our time relating to financial and environmental benifits of public land hunting for feral animals. They know what we are saying alright, but will not comment on it because if they do... then their city-based political anti-hunting and anti-firearm agenda falls apart.


Two clarifications fellas - when I refer to city germs I mean the politicians, police and socialist control-freak agendised lefties who deliberately refuse to listen to facts. Not any peers here. But then, just because someone's on here doesn't make them my peer, or yours.
For some, especially politicians too, the truth doesn't matter, winning does.
You know what it's like, you might be doing something every day, see some comments online and counter them because you've done it hundreds of times and would not be happy seeing nice guys misled, but these people will argue with you, and try and belittle you for self-importance and status. There is no way to convince these people, because if they admit then they suddenly drop down the bottom of the social media faceless credibility ladder.
The other thing, related to that, is that no matter how much time you spend going over and over and over and trying to use facts and sense, you are wasting your time. The only way is a mass agreement of like-minded people bombarding the politicians and forcing them to act for the people, something they have been getting away with not doing, or achieving, for ever. The threat of being out on their arse is and having to fail at a real job terrifies them.

Then again, look at the Katter's Castle Law petition, a record in Qld for the most online survey support for this ability to not be judged by the ineffective police and law or defending yourself and family from being murdered. Do you reckon the politicians will listen to this either?

Until the duopoly is voted from power, and real Australians who know what is right and what real struggle is like, will any of this change.

[bigrich]

I've been making submissions and working on this for years Rich, and still we're getting nowhere.
We did have hope that when we finally got rid of the completely anti-firearm Labor trash that's pretty much ruined and backstabbed country folk and demonised us in Qld, and we'd see some movement.
We have so to speak, but it's moving too slowly. Same as tge suppressors push for primary producers and professional (i.e. paid) pest control shooters. There's so much to do and to fix, and too many public servants been hired in the past without ANY performance or achievement measures in their employment contracts to even SEE the benefits let alone act on our suggestions.
Our suggestions being, for both the unimaginative and the "it's all too hard" brigade, is to simply adopt the NSW system.

We even had a poll up and people (shooters) bagged that.
Some of us now just see it's pointless without support from the public unfortunately.

public support depends on how you tell (spin ) it . the environmental damage to native animals and environment as well as agriculture/grazing properties properly explained is pretty compelling . but no one in politics wants to step up and assume responsibility . if there's a hunting fatality there'll be a lot of finger pointing from lefty's. just have to keep plugging away , signing petitions , supporting advocate groups who will try pushing for state forest hunting

The politicians already have been given lots of our time relating to financial and environmental benifits of public land hunting for feral animals. They know what we are saying alright, but will not comment on it because if they do... then their city-based political anti-hunting and anti-firearm agenda falls apart.


Two clarifications fellas - when I refer to city germs I mean the politicians, police and socialist control-freak agendised lefties who deliberately refuse to listen to facts. Not any peers here. But then, just because someone's on here doesn't make them my peer, or yours.
For some, especially politicians too, the truth doesn't matter, winning does.
You know what it's like, you might be doing something every day, see some comments online and counter them because you've done it hundreds of times and would not be happy seeing nice guys misled, but these people will argue with you, and try and belittle you for self-importance and status. There is no way to convince these people, because if they admit then they suddenly drop down the bottom of the social media faceless credibility ladder.
The other thing, related to that, is that no matter how much time you spend going over and over and over and trying to use facts and sense, you are wasting your time. The only way is a mass agreement of like-minded people bombarding the politicians and forcing them to act for the people, something they have been getting away with not doing, or achieving, for ever. The threat of being out on their arse is and having to fail at a real job terrifies them.

Then again, look at the Katter's Castle Law petition, a record in Qld for the most online survey support for this ability to not be judged by the ineffective police and law or defending yourself and family from being murdered. Do you reckon the politicians will listen to this either?

Until the duopoly is voted from power, and real Australians who know what is right and what real struggle is like, will any of this change.

i agree with you on all points .and i'm really glad you don't think i'm a city germ
oh, by the way, have you seen how auntie pauline is starting to really climb in the polls
albo didn't get a personal invite to mar-a-lago either , pauline did

[Die Judicii]

public support depends on how you tell (spin ) it . the environmental damage to native animals and environment as well as agriculture/grazing properties properly explained is pretty compelling . but no one in politics wants to step up and assume responsibility . if there's a hunting fatality there'll be a lot of finger pointing from lefty's. just have to keep plugging away , signing petitions , supporting advocate groups who will try pushing for state forest hunting

I agree wholeheartedly with what your saying there Mate.
And,, as for the finger pointing "if there's a hunting fatality" common sense (I know it is an endangered species) should prevail,,, and unless it proves to be an intentional act such as murder, to then be thoroughly investigated as a terrible accident, dealt with accordingly, and then move on.

[Die Judicii]

Have also signed the petition.

[deye243]

Well as far as im concerned if there as inactive on shooters rights in Queensland as they are in Victoria I'd say it's a good thing and I'm surprised it hasn't happened in every state

[womble]

It’s a never ending battle to have it in Vic. Even though it causes no harm and we only have benefits to show for it.
The detractors are actually very few. Most people are indifferent.

But those detractors work very hard. It’s literally down to two particular individuals who I can’t name. They insert themselves everywhere, at any opportunity country wide to fight against gun ownership. They twist truths, lies and deceit.
But they are very good at it, very practiced and experienced. And their advice is taken and they are heard without question.
It was only a few well placed words from one of them in Minns ear that deflected the hunting conversation bill. A comparison with US gun culture and he took note of it.

Yes the duopoly needs to go. Only a fool would vote for either. I would die first.
But that extends beyond my interests and many choose not to vote for either in their own interests.
We have choices. We have five pro gun parties. Distinctly. And a couple more that do not oppose us. And so many alliances both political and community.
And today I can say I only vote pro gun. I can say that in any medium. Not so long ago it would have been heresy in this country.
Half of that duopoly is gone. Long gone tbh. I count that as a win. Only the media keeps trying to resurrect them.
Personally I find it bizarre to see support for liberals on a gun forum. Given the history of the world.
In 96 liberals held every state here except one, guaranteeing their success .
A coalition of nationals and labor was our golden age previously. And that’s when you have numbers. Because you have the working class. And that’s a big number of untapped power.
Labor are the easier of the two to work with generally because you don’t have to contest a theological position.
Labor only requires stats and data and research. Plus they don’t have a binding position to adhere to.

That’s said, visiting Andrew Powells history suggests he will be in favor. Perhaps not in his own seat but nonetheless. It will be of benefit to his own alliances.

Do not disparage other minorities. Only build bridges and invite to join in, give its try. Numbers are numbers.

Do not discount the hard work ssaa has done consistently over several decades. They have never let up. They have been consistent and honest.
Remember Tim Fischer, the leader of the Nationals, said in 96. “Be grateful we didn’t take them all.”
And they could have.
And that hasn’t changed yet. It’s still entirely doable. And we need to elect those that will ensure it can never happen.
You can pursue that through various mediums in the name of civil rights.

[bigrich]

public support depends on how you tell (spin ) it . the environmental damage to native animals and environment as well as agriculture/grazing properties properly explained is pretty compelling . but no one in politics wants to step up and assume responsibility . if there's a hunting fatality there'll be a lot of finger pointing from lefty's. just have to keep plugging away , signing petitions , supporting advocate groups who will try pushing for state forest hunting

I agree wholeheartedly with what your saying there Mate.
And,, as for the finger pointing "if there's a hunting fatality" common sense (I know it is an endangered species) should prevail,,, and unless it proves to be an intentional act such as murder, to then be thoroughly investigated as a terrible accident, dealt with accordingly, and then move on.

doesn't take much for lefty's and MSM to distort the truth . been a few criminal arrests in the last week where the "gun" has been a air rifle or gel blaster . politicians generally don't have any back bone with regards to sticking up for the truth

[Wapiti]

That's why I keep banging on about numbers. Meaning everyone get off your arses and join in and make yourself another number in the crowd.
The crowd is the only way to make a difference.
Supporting a few people in principle is fine, but won't sway or force politicians to act whatsoever, that's what I find so frustrating. They find plenty of time to post on forums day and night but no time to get on a bus and join a crowd.

I remember well being on here round the time all this sh*t was happening in WA, and banging on about how everyone needed to stop whinging, get off their fat arses and show up at the protests. How some bigtime forum frequenters told those of us pushing then to cation that we were fools, stirrers, and that WA people had some magic pill that the rest of us Aussies didn't.
Well how patriotic, courageous and effective was their "wait and see, someone else has it in hand magic" worked out? They have lost all credibility now but still have the hide to judge others for achieving. Or trying to.

Yes Rich, ON is on the rise. Nobody can predict where it will end, or if more people can see the light and actually wake up.
What's the "definition of madness", right?
Because it is the people who are on one hand, whinging, on the other, voting to make what they are complaining about worse.
I can't stand those kinds of people and I know that shows, too bad, some spend their lives jealous of others whilst the ones they are jealous of keep working on the dream. If some can. all can.

[bigrich]

Australia has always suffered from “tall poppy “ syndrome. Make some effort or stand out from the crowd and there’s plenty who’ll bag you for it

[womble]

Honestly Pauline needs to step back and let some others shine in her party. It needs a rebrand if it wants to enlist a wider demographic.
Need to let some of the younger ones step up. She’s being too possessive. And the party should alway be bigger than the leader if it wants to endure.
She needs to present a team.

[bigrich]

Honestly Pauline needs to step back and let some others shine in her party. It needs a rebrand if it wants to enlist a wider demographic.
Need to let some of the younger ones step up. She’s being too possessive. And the party should alway be bigger than the leader if it wants to endure.
She needs to present a team.

I reckon you’re right on that. The party won’t grow, but she’s been betrayed and shafted a few times, I can understand her being possessive about being in charge

[Fester]

In the system where both major parties want the independents and minor parties kept out of the big game, it could be like suicide for people like Pauline and Robert Borsak to step aside.

No one else has done the time and gained the respect or power like them.
John Tingle was the only one that seemed to get some respect without putting in many years, it must have been something to do with his media background.

It is so easy for small people to just get voted out and never seen again, look at Ricky Muir.
He quickly learned the game and how to handle himself.
He would have helped our cause if he got another term, but no, he is gone after the first.

Most older shooters and farmers are so conservative that they vote that way for life unless the Libs really screw them over.
This is why the Nationals thing is all going on now.
They want their core votes back from One Nation and SFFP
Benders have always been like a law unto themselves, and I can't see public land hunting ever starting in Qld.
With blokes like Clark M so strongly opposing state forest hunting.
Just in this thread, blokes are talking about the safety risks and what if.

With shooters being there own worst enemies, and the polies knowing it, I think we will be fighting to keep public land hunting in the states that have it within the 3-4 terms of woke/greens leadership we look like getting.
If there is another mass shooting, we may not have guns to hunt with.
The only change will come from Paulines percentage getting up there. SFF are about all we have.

It was that Libertarian Ruddock that voted the deciding vote to stop the NSW SFFP bill getting up.
Why, because of political games, him against the other smaller party SFF.

[Wapiti]

You're right Fester, and we have to be on our toes and look for these little chinks in the armour of those being recommended to us.
I don't believe there is any alternative to One Nation, even SFP has treacherously backed the Labor Party when they wanted to crow about a small silly gain... When the big picture is removal of firearms to the public going on behind their self-appraising victories.
These things aren't forgotten by the country businesspeople and farmers, SFP is about itself and the rest is worthless.
Sorry not sorry if that upsets some. Wake up.

And on the suggestion of the people who have sweated blood, been jailed to try and get rid of their credibility, and NEVER wavered in their core values for this country and it's people, it is the small minded voters who need to get this "tall poppy, individual fixation" bullsh*t and shake it off.
It is focus on nothing that has put us where we are.
Vote for the policies, not the people. That's the problem here.

[Fester]

Yeah, the lengths these lowlifes will go is amazing.
I think Abbott set about getting Pauline into jail.
They are no better than corrupt cops, as discrediting their opponents with slander is their first tool of defence.

Albo seems to be a whole new level of stupid, but making it clear he is a como and making secret deals to screw us.
Wong is smarter but even more secretive, so much for their transparency platform, once elected.

The SFFP thing with Labor is how the game is played. Liberal shafted them, so they go full payback and still go for every Nationals seat they have a chance at winning.
It is true as Borsak says, you can at least talk to the Labor govt, with Liberals, they know the result is just a backflip and shafting.

Minns is sort of funny as he admits to knowing nothing about issues like hunting and feral control, but will listen to anyone.
Then he listens to Micak, who admits to being a professional speaker living his Byron Bay lifestyle with all the other weirdos up there.
The other major opponent to the SFFP conservation bill is the greens propaganda spreading Invasive Species Control mob, headed by an ex-Greens staffer, and working from the "Green Building"

How it has come this far with false news and lies being accepted as facts just astounds me.
At the review for the bill, they had to show respect for the cat woman and the ex-stripper Emma from the Animal Justice Party.
Worst is that FSC boss swore on oath, then just lied and spun his anti-hunter spin without blinking.
He also needed a partner to answer the questions as he was incapable.

You can see why I see no hope at all for getting Qld public land hunting.
They govts next step is make all states like QLD where hunters are not a thing, just private property pest control and talk of eradication lol, look at the pigs now after the wet years.
That's how blokes like Clark McGee shot them selves in the foot, and the Qld govt can do what they want with no senate.
State forests will just stay leased to farmers, and big mining companies have that free land thing that they all love so much.
Hell, Anal has just legislated that renewable projects and the power lines take precedence over private property rights.

[Wapiti]

But see Fester, the problem with SFP dealing with the Labor devil as a "screw you" to the conservative side is NOT politically mature...
It shows no commitment to the core conservative values which are basically, work hard and get ahead, be better and innovate more than the lazy masses and prosper, and small government, that punishes the guilty NOT the innocent because the guilty give good fellatio in the Judge's chambers prior to the court hearing.

And the pointlessness and juvenility of blaming all for the bastardry of the past, whilst the socialists white ant the rest of us whilst the fools are distracted... well that's exactly the lack of political nouce of the SFP.

And the farmers, the second "F" in SFFP... have long memories... if you deal with the socialist devil whilst trying to BS the farmers you are on their side... well forget their support evermore. It's political failure and opportunity lost forever, diluted wasted votes.

[womble]

They have no values in politics. There’s no fantasized morality involved here.
Tony Abbot, a conservative, gave us gay marriage. And he openly takes credit for making it happen.
John Howard, a conservative, removed the right to life by outlawing self defense in the national firearms agreement. And that is why today the right to life is non existent here in any laws, state charters nationwide. And that is why the pro life fanatics can never get a foothold here.
There’s your f***ing conservatives.

You think because these people go to church and clap along happily that they actually have some sort of moral compass. Because they don’t.

Scomo , a conservative, gave us jobkeeper during the pandemic. So millions of us didn’t lose our jobs. That’s socialism.
Then he secured early access to the vaccines. Yep, those same vaccines that were tested on human embryos.

Pauline , who you currently like to pretend is a conservative, abstained from the vote on gay marriage because her second in command, the actual brains of the operation, is openly gay.

And the farmers remember when the Nationals did actually work for them. Were actually an agrarian socialist party as founded by the farmers for the farmers.
Would you prefer all the farms were owned by global corporations after you bankrupt them with tariffs. Like the big beautiful plan for heartland USA.
Sffp do far more to help farmers than the nationals In fact so do labor.
The only role the nationals play is to ensure coal mines stay open and the Chinese owned farms get all the water. That’s literally all they do and line their own pockets with it.

[Wapiti]

Ok, so what are you saying?
That it's all pointless, except for voting for a fringe party that's blowing with the wind to the left and wherever else, playing a game that it will never win, and knifing the people it pretends to represent?

You cannot change history.
You will remember that in every case you state above that there was completely bi-partisan support, and in most cases, whoever was in opposition each instance you mention, was screaming out for the outcome that eventuated, in some cases, for even more restrictions?

What I am saying is, we see the policies being enacted by who is in power or has influence to that power right now. We see that this doesn't suit any of us. In fact you agree, judging by your posts. And quite a bit of what you are saying is fake news, but you can be forgiven for that because it's obvious where you get your info from. That's unavoidable, we soak up the junk we're bombarded with.
What I am also saying is that politics progresses, and some of this countries' political opinion is changing.
The completely out-of-touch deadsh*ts you mention screwed up royally, but are also out of the picture.
The overseas-influenced trash in power now are destroying life for Australians even further, we agree.

Living for, and voting for the past instead of what's been offered now as alternatives is just going to definitely make history repeat. I only see it as the definition of insanity.

[bigrich]

They have no values in politics. There’s no fantasized morality involved here.
Tony Abbot, a conservative, gave us gay marriage. And he openly takes credit for making it happen.
John Howard, a conservative, removed the right to life by outlawing self defense in the national firearms agreement. And that is why today the right to life is non existent here in any laws, state charters nationwide. And that is why the pro life fanatics can never get a foothold here.
There’s your f***ing conservatives.

You think because these people go to church and clap along happily that they actually have some sort of moral compass. Because they don’t.

Scomo , a conservative, gave us jobkeeper during the pandemic. So millions of us didn’t lose our jobs. That’s socialism.
Then he secured early access to the vaccines. Yep, those same vaccines that were tested on human embryos.

Pauline , who you currently like to pretend is a conservative, abstained from the vote on gay marriage because her second in command, the actual brains of the operation, is openly gay.

And the farmers remember when the Nationals did actually work for them. Were actually an agrarian socialist party as founded by the farmers for the farmers.
Would you prefer all the farms were owned by global corporations after you bankrupt them with tariffs. Like the big beautiful plan for heartland USA.
Sffp do far more to help farmers than the nationals In fact so do labor.
The only role the nationals play is to ensure coal mines stay open and the Chinese owned farms get all the water. That’s literally all they do and line their own pockets with it.

Christ, if I want to get depression, I’ll read this post again. Nobody is perfect, least of all politicians. I try to lead and live the best life I can, when I comes to voting and who I support it’ll be the party that represents me best out of the choices I’ve got. At present, that’s auntie Pauline. I don’t expect ON to run the country, what I hope is they get enough seats and political influence to change policy and direction of Australia

[womble]

They have no values in politics. There’s no fantasized morality involved here.
Tony Abbot, a conservative, gave us gay marriage. And he openly takes credit for making it happen.
John Howard, a conservative, removed the right to life by outlawing self defense in the national firearms agreement. And that is why today the right to life is non existent here in any laws, state charters nationwide. And that is why the pro life fanatics can never get a foothold here.
There’s your f***ing conservatives.

You think because these people go to church and clap along happily that they actually have some sort of moral compass. Because they don’t.

Scomo , a conservative, gave us jobkeeper during the pandemic. So millions of us didn’t lose our jobs. That’s socialism.
Then he secured early access to the vaccines. Yep, those same vaccines that were tested on human embryos.

Pauline , who you currently like to pretend is a conservative, abstained from the vote on gay marriage because her second in command, the actual brains of the operation, is openly gay.

And the farmers remember when the Nationals did actually work for them. Were actually an agrarian socialist party as founded by the farmers for the farmers.
Would you prefer all the farms were owned by global corporations after you bankrupt them with tariffs. Like the big beautiful plan for heartland USA.
Sffp do far more to help farmers than the nationals In fact so do labor.
The only role the nationals play is to ensure coal mines stay open and the Chinese owned farms get all the water. That’s literally all they do and line their own pockets with it.

Christ, if I want to get depression, I’ll read this post again. Nobody is perfect, least of all politicians. I try to lead and live the best life I can, when I comes to voting and who I support it’ll be the party that represents me best out of the choices I’ve got. At present, that’s auntie Pauline. I don’t expect ON to run the country, what I hope is they get enough seats and political influence to change policy and direction of Australia

Same here. I vote ON whenever possible. I don’t give a s**t if Ashby is gay. Not my problem . He’s smart as a whip
Same reason I dont give a s**t Wong is Asian. Highly intelligent and calculating. And working for me.
Perfect in character is irrelevant. The point I made is politician is a license to lie. They have no virtues. That’s the job.
If their mouths are open and they are talking then they are lying.
Vote on policies. Ignore the virtue signaling. These are not honest genuine people.
I vote ON because I know they won’t sell us out to international corporate donors instead of their constituents . Because they don’t have any.
I also do expect them to have enough vision to endeavor to run the country eventually.
Don’t be depressed, be stoic. And don’t blaspheme.

Look at ON actual polices and it’s easy enough to distinguish the virtue signaling from the reality.
In a secular country such as our own do you really think their conservative policies can be implemented. Because they can’t. The government of the day is beholden to the constitution.
But their policies on family taxes and healthcare can. Yes the social policies. Much to the despair of conservatives no doubt.
Immigration policy. Well that’s clearly virtue signaling. We already treat illegal immigrants very harshly here. And that won’t change.
We’ve had around 2 million immigrants gain permanent residency in the last 10 years. It’s never going to be easy to migrate here. They won’t change that or improve on it.
Their firearm policies can. As said before and often I’m a single issue voter.
Their policies are big tent for a reason. What they can actually accomplish is what you should vote on and hold them to it.

[Wapiti]

Talk about thread creep.
Forget all the self-appraising BS steering this away from the OP, if you are a Queenslander this could help you out. Join us in having a go.
If you do nothing, nothing is exactly what will happen.

[bigrich]

Talk about thread creep.
Forget all the self-appraising BS steering this away from the OP, if you are a Queenslander this could help you out. Join us in having a go.
If you do nothing, nothing is exactly what will happen.

Evil men triumph when good men fail to act