Buckmaster 10-shot mags banned

[Wapiti]

I see in a video link sent to me that Australian Customs have seized all ASA's current shipment of 10-shot 12ga magazines for the Buckmaster PB 12-M.
They have effectively reclassified them into the "unobtainium" category and are going to destroy them.

ASA suggests that anyone wanting more than the 5-shot mags that come with these things should buy what stock is left at gunshops because they will soon go the way of hens teeth.

They are trying to push back but it seems that won't be successful.

I've tried to suggest that if they make them in Australia, using the CNC programs and dimensions they already own, they could bypass the Cusoms theives.
Be better made too I'm sure. But then again.... depends on the skill of the supervision...

[womble]

The Adler ones will fit.

Yeah they banned them like the instant they became available for the Celik. Although I’m not sure about NT, ACT yet.
You can have a 10 shot tube though.

[Blr243]

By the time I shoot 5 times from my12, the remaining pigs have scampered well out of range

[womble]

Well yeah there is that.
In terms of boring practicality in the real world.
Although, when your Turkish shotgun jams. You could use the 10 round banana as a club.
Not anymore. Now you just have to run.

[Wapiti]

Man you're a funny bugger

But you're right, first thing I see when I felt one of those 10-shot mags inserted onto one of those pot metal things was an awfully unbalanced, bottom heavy, snag-on-anything monstrosity...

But I can't agree on the 10 shots being too many, plenty's the time I needed up to 10 shells or bullets for that matter when somethings popped up.
Only because the way things happened and the importance of sorting out the problems will cause us.
But casual hunting, not needed usually... but then shotguns are compromises too.

It's these continuous bans that are the issues, not the "You don't need it" arguments. It's out there, useful for some or not, and bureaucrats that have no idea are making decisions based on laws interpretations by even more useless oxygen thief activist politicians who get chauffeured to their free parliamentary bar and grills on you the taxpayer.

[Wapiti]

And I see on another thread that in Victoria, you need multiple pics of your firearms for this insanity of pointless bureaucracy?
And the smokescreen of a few hunting areas to keep you buttered up for the spit where you are the menu itself convinces you that your government destroying your state and white anting you are still the best options? FMD.

[Wapiti]

If customs are pulling them up as they come into the country it doesn't matter what the individual states still have in place.

Myself, a nice 7-8 shot tube mag that doesn't stick out and keeps the shotty nice and slim is better handling and better hidden. But everyone should have that choice for themselves, not dictated to by political agendas.

[womble]

We have a lot of hunting area. You just download a vicgov app and click hunting . Probably more than a quarter of the state you can hunt on public land.
Still not as much as we used to have access to though.

I don’t know why I need pics of my guns. First I’ve heard of it.

Yes people should be free to choose their own preference. Mag or tube. Ones not more lethal than the other.
I don’t really understand how someone being shot with a tube fed or mag fed really makes any difference.
I guess the latter victim was more offended.

[Finniss]

Just clarifying. the gun pics is Northern Territory at the moment. I probably could have put it in "gun laws" instead of "What did you do today"

[womble]

We haven’t had that in Vic. Yet, i guess.
Because “national” would strongly suggest national.
And something to do with this https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about-us/our-portfolios/criminal-justice/firearms/national-firearms-register

Maybe they think criminals will get on board with it and register their illegal firearms
And then we sneakily have found a way to catch them for having illegal firearms.
It’s a very clever plan and I’m sure they’ll fall for it

Reminds me in fact of how we solved the crime epidemic in Victoria simply by banning machetes. Pure genius.

[bladeracer]

And I see on another thread that in Victoria, you need multiple pics of your firearms for this insanity of pointless bureaucracy?
And the smokescreen of a few hunting areas to keep you buttered up for the spit where you are the menu itself convinces you that your government destroying your state and white anting you are still the best options? FMD.

A few hunting areas? I believe we still have more than a million acres of public lands open to hunting all year round, plus some parks and reserves that are open to restricted hunting during the year. Don't need anybody's permission or pay any fees to go hunting any time we feel the urge.

I haven't heard anything about these photo submissions so far, other than what was posted here. I don't think it'll be that big a problem if I do get notified I have to do it though. Was a fairly big year for me buying twelve pistols, two rifles, and a shotgun. I've been 189 days at pistol clubs this year

[Wapiti]

That's why some of us are trying as much as we can to do this in Qld too, Blade.
We are well aware of how good this is for outdoors people.
You must know what I'm getting at, people are still falling for "this government is great" because years ago people pushed for this to happen for you. If that is the aim, keeping this for all your enjoyment, them why all this other BS happening all over? So I see it as a smokescreen that's fooling too many that everything is going to stay that way. And the fact that I cannot see how so many well-meaning people do not know what the "big picture" means.
Problem is for us that as soon as this would happen, it condones firearm ownership on another level and genuine reason, which isn't what politicians have in mind for the future here in our state at least. "You're a conspiracy theorist", I've heard it said before to me.
If it's so great, so beneficial to native animals as well as people from a conservation and well-being health standpoint, why can't we get across the line here for people?
Good question.

EDIT: My bad on the state mixup. So it's the NT. Still ridiculous.

[womble]

Was never really a push for it to happen for us. Just gentiles released game to hunt here. And we have that heritage and custom through generations.
In modern times we’ve had the same government for maybe a 100 years I don’t know.
We don’t really have an opposition party that people can take seriously. Been than way for a long time here.
This state just is the labor movement from the Eureka stockade onward. It’s very historical country. With bush rangers and gold miners. We’re not really big on authority here.
The nationals are very strong regionally, but they actually do support the working people on the land. It really comes down to individuals who are solid and reliable.
The libs are just a running joke though. Maybe the crime wave would have seen a change of government because it hasn’t been well managed. But it has become apparent they don’t actually want to be elected. Because that’s just more work and they already lead cushy lives.

I think QLD will need a different approach. Initially at least. Need access somehow of government leases of public land.

[mickb]

Not sure libs vs labor means much anymore. They joined forces on the hate speech legislation which is the worst legislation to hit our country since we were a British colony, back when you could be jailed for defaming the crown. Look whats happening in the UK with this stuff. They are arresting 30 people a day for online comments.

[Wapiti]

Well right now I agree with you on that one Mick, as do bucketloads of other Aussies waking up. They ARE just as complicit in screwing us all.
Only thing different is, one side is doing it on purpose to change the world with this country as an example to save themselves, the other is going along with it because they pathetically think that there is respect and votes in doing so.
Either way, to me it's treason perpetrated against us, the people paying for it all.

[Wapiti]

I did just manage to get two of these delivered to my gunshop, and a replacement stock set in that fake wood look.
Just to be different, and wind up the Berretta O/U blokes out here.
Seems like the distributors might be putting on a few store stock to send gear out again, after having to sack them all after the socialist kiddies reaction to Bondi. When all orders stopped from a sense of panic.
Trouble with the 10-shot mags is, your shotguns the same dimensions horizontally and vertically too, with one in. And you''ll trip over it. They're like a lead-filled racing yachts keel hanging down there