Castle Law Petitions

[womble]

I’ve opted for off topic because this isn’t necessarily about guns and gun laws.

In Victoria we want women to have access to capsicum spray or similar. And there is a lot of non lethal defensive tech out there nowadays. And it saves lives.

Current petitions as follows.

QLD https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work-of-the-Assembly/Petitions/Petition-Details?id=4267

NSW https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lc/pages/epetition-details.aspx?q=Se3aflpZ9kIGgGmrViyocQ

VIC https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/get-involved/petitions/amend-self-defence-laws/#:~:text=The%20petition%20of%20certain%20citizens,families%20in%20their%20own%20homes.

And petitions are not necessarily enacting castle law doctrine based on other countries. But rather amending our current laws to keep up with the times.

[Bugman]

the right to defend their property with whatever force is deemed appropriate
This represents a real can of worms, open to all sorts of interpretation by all parties concerned. It could backfire on the individual(s)
concerned via overzealous authorities etc.
If the legislation got through, would their be a rush to procure firearms licences? Would us current, legitimate firearm owners be subject to far more scrutiny from said authorities?
Would I defend my family from violent intruders? If I could, most possibly a definite yes.

[alexjones]

Unless they change the storage laws it would be hard to utilise a firearm under castle law.

Unless you coincidently just happened to be filming a YouTube video showing how you load your glock magazine at 3am as the intruder entered your home.

Bad timing to be that intruder

That hypothetical scenario would be legal.

Under current law in QLD once you claim self defence the onus is on the government to prove it wasn't. You don't have to prove it was.

[womble]

I suppose ideally Alex one would have forewarning that someone was about to breach their home.
And that’s doable with current tech, or old tech like a little yapping Pomeranian. No one can sleep through a Pomeranian.
But if you do get snucked up apon, may I suggest martial arts https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu1RZaFnkKs&pp=ygUddGhlIHBpbmsgcGFudGhlciBjYXRvIGF0dGFja3M%3D


Current tallies

QLD 75.5 k

NSW 7.4 k

VIC 16.1 k

Petitions have been open for varying lengths of time so I suppose that’s relevant. But NSW still seems overly burdened with limp penis.

[No1_49er]

An update, of sorts.

The on-line petition is approaching 100k signatures - not an insignificant number!!

For anybody who might be interested, there is to be a Webinar on October 14th - next Tuesday. https://familyvoice.org.au/events
The two guest speakers are to be Robbie Katter and John Ruddick. You may, or may not, agree with what their opinion/s are, but sometimes it's a matter of "know thine enemy".

BTW, for those who haven't done so, the on-line petition closes on October 24th. Do it now if you haven't already done so.

[womble]

It’s been really difficult to get main stream media coverage.

We got this from 7. It’s not great but any publicity is good publicity.
https://7news.com.au/news/petition-calls-for-law-allowing-homeowners-to-defend-their-property-with-whatever-force-is-deemed-appropriate-against-invaders-c-20276227#

[womble]

In a similar vein, this is a local radio petition to jail violent offenders.
https://www.change.org/p/bring-on-bail-reform-for-repeat-offenders-in-victoria

From memory 40% of violent crimes here are committed by people out on bail for violent crimes.

To jail them would effectively reduce violent crime by 40%.
Combine that with real time deterrence in castle law and we’d have a very safe country.

A lot of people think we do live in one of the safest countries. And overall our country is.
But we also have cities that rank in the world’s most dangerous top 20. And several more contenders in the top 100.
Sydney’s homicide rate is now double London or Paris or Rome.
Melbourne’s homicide rate afaik they still won’t release 2024.

The given narrative by the media is that violent crime is at an all time high since records began.
The truth is violent crime has been on a upward curve since the 1996 buyback. Perhaps not surprising.
Not a steady upward curve but an accelerating one.

[joe blow]

I have to confess I haven't followed up on this whole "castle law" theory but from the short summaries it means you have the right to defend yourself. Well in Queensland at least you already have that right. For proof look to the poor young bloke in the whitsundays and I can think of at least two others that havent made the headlines.

If it is pointed towards making "self defence" a reasonable need for a firearm then that would be a big deal and would really take a show of numbers before any major party (apart from the nats) would pursue.

[womble]

That kid in the Whitsundays was 19.
They ripped the door of its hinges to get into his home. He defended himself.
But to this day the media still hounds him. The families of the criminals want him tried. https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/ripped-off-calls-for-new-inquest-into-queensland-beach-town-tragedy/4d83319e-34e9-453e-9f72-634297ef7cbf

The police could have pressed charges. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don’t.
Should it be a matter for their discretion, or should you have the law on your side when acting in self defence.
That’s what this is about.

You do have the right to defend yourself in Queensland, as in all states.
However. Can you effectively exercise that right is the issue. There are many laws that contradict that right by outlawing any possible means or utility to exercise that right.
So do you really have that right. If it is illegal to exercise it.
Unfortunately we see so many of our most vulnerable fall victim to violent crimes because, whilst they had the right, they did not possess the means.

The true measure of any society is how it treats its most vulnerable.
Criminals target vulnerabilities and we neglect our duty.

It’s not necessarily about firearms. There is a whole industry of non lethal defence nowadays.
In Victoria we’d like to see women permitted pepper or capsicum spray. The trial in the NT is getting outstanding results.
This stuff saves lives.

How do your grandparents protect themselves from armed home invaders.
They don’t.
They get bashed, stabbed, raped, murdered.

Just sign the petitions. Worry about the Nationals growing some balls later.

[Wapiti]

There was a radio news comment from our local gAyBC radio out of Toowoomba on Friday about the Katters' poll in Qld about castle law.
I thought, here we go, the socialist dribblers will put a spin on this surely?
The report started about how the petition was the biggest in State's history with way over 100K signatures, and had huge support even with those too conspiracy-scared to sign it online.
But they had a supposed psychologist (a pathetic university activist , not to be confused with a real doctor, a psychiatrist) who said, "it must not go ahead, because it will result in widespread vigilantism"

People can say that we already have the right in Qld to defend ourselves in our homes, but that's only said by the ill-informed and the politically-motivated.

If I beat the brains out of a POS in my home just before he was going to stick me or my wife with a knife, I will be arrested. Don't argue with this and show that you are supporting the morons out there trying to trick you.
If I get a few loads of buckshot into two POS who are carrying machetes and are imported darkies, I will be arrested and all my guns seized.
As a gun owner, they will take my guns away from me for any excuse.

Then I am left with the need to hire a Barrister to prove my innocence, 20-30K with no recompence from the anti-public, government representatives that call themselves Police. They are against us doing the job that they can't do.

Now dribble on and tell me that Qld'ers can defend themselves in their own homes already and contribute to the bullsh*t out there that's seeing innocent homeowners killed by the scum in our society that are too rank even for dog food.

[mchughcb]

That kid in the Whitsundays was 19.
They ripped the door of its hinges to get into his home. He defended himself.
But to this day the media still hounds him. The families of the criminals want him tried. https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/ripped-off-calls-for-new-inquest-into-queensland-beach-town-tragedy/4d83319e-34e9-453e-9f72-634297ef7cbf

The police could have pressed charges. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don’t.
Should it be a matter for their discretion, or should you have the law on your side when acting in self defence.
That’s what this is about.

You do have the right to defend yourself in Queensland, as in all states.
However. Can you effectively exercise that right is the issue. There are many laws that contradict that right by outlawing any possible means or utility to exercise that right.
So do you really have that right. If it is illegal to exercise it.
Unfortunately we see so many of our most vulnerable fall victim to violent crimes because, whilst they had the right, they did not possess the means.

The true measure of any society is how it treats its most vulnerable.
Criminals target vulnerabilities and we neglect our duty.

It’s not necessarily about firearms. There is a whole industry of non lethal defence nowadays.
In Victoria we’d like to see women permitted pepper or capsicum spray. The trial in the NT is getting outstanding results.
This stuff saves lives.

How do your grandparents protect themselves from armed home invaders.
They don’t.
They get bashed, stabbed, raped, murdered.

Just sign the petitions. Worry about the Nationals growing some balls later.

Liberal democrats wanted spray for women. Sarah Two Days opposed it.

[womble]

Imagine a woman opposing that. Unbelievable.
Statistically 1 in 5 women in Australia has been the victim of sexual assault.

Women are carrying it in vic now anyway.

[bigrich]

i just followed the link for the QLD petition, and when it closed was over 124,000 signatures . compared to other E petitions this is some serious numbers . will politicians listen , probably not

[womble]

They have to after a certain amount. I think it's 10 thousand.
Has to debated, voted on.

A family in Melbourne last night endured their 5th armed home invasion. And there's other parts of the country where that's not uncommon.

That's one family 5 times.
Keep doing things the same way
Keep getting the same results.

We deserve the right to defend ourselves.
Or are we someone else's property.
People need to step up and take ownership of their lives.

[Wapiti]

People are, and the government punishes them for daring to do so.
It is the pathetic wombats in government and police, terrified their incompetence will be proven even further, that punishes them for proving they are in fact the root cause of this evil.

[bigrich]

People are, and the government punishes them for daring to do so.
It is the pathetic wombats in government and police, terrified their incompetence will be proven even further, that punishes them for proving they are in fact the root cause of this evil.

your spot on in this regard . speak up too loudly and get labelled as a anti guvment radical most likely. maybe classed as a sov-cit and get raided . but if you want to create chaos in a major city and annoy the general population in the name of gaza , call anyone a fascist or nazi who has a different view , that's alright as far as labor is concerned . seem to totally ignore the criminal behaviour of the radical left wing idiots

[womble]

[No1_49er]

A response, dated 0-1 Dec '25

Castle Law - Response.PDF

(622.53 KiB) Downloaded 72 times

[Wapiti]

From the email to all us respondents:

"Response from the Attorney-General and Minister for Justice and Minister for Integrity (Hon. Frecklington), to a paper petition (4321-25), presented by a member, Mr Dametto, and an ePetition (4267-25), sponsored by a member, Mr Dametto, from 804 and 113,380 petitioners respectively, requesting the House to do all in its power to legislate Castle Law in Queensland:

Let's see eh?

[bigrich]

From the email to all us respondents:

"Response from the Attorney-General and Minister for Justice and Minister for Integrity (Hon. Frecklington), to a paper petition (4321-25), presented by a member, Mr Dametto, and an ePetition (4267-25), sponsored by a member, Mr Dametto, from 804 and 113,380 petitioners respectively, requesting the House to do all in its power to legislate Castle Law in Queensland:

Let's see eh?

wouldn't hold my breath waiting ....

[Wapiti]

Well there you go.
The 110,000+ "yes" petition has been ignored by the government, with the "protected by the taxpayer-funded police" dog AG Frecklington saying it will not happen.
Apparently there is no need for Queenslanders to protect their families how they deem necessary, the police are there to sit in speed camera vans I mean, come round to mop up your wife's blood some other time.
Oh sorry, that's above them too?

[womble]

Strange mindset in our country.
You can protect a sheep with a firearm but not your own family.
Maybe we should just identify as sheep.

[Wapiti]

[quote="womble"]Strange mindset in our country.
You can protect a sheep with a firearm but not your own family.
Maybe we should just identify as sheep.[/quote]

That's all I consider the average Australian voter to be.
No brains, follow what they're told. There's a good sheep. Or we'll sick the dogs on you for daring to think for yourself and not be a Lemming.

[bigrich]

Strange mindset in our country.
You can protect a sheep with a firearm but not your own family.
Maybe we should just identify as sheep.[/quote]

That's all I consider the average Australian voter to be.
No brains, follow what they're told. There's a good sheep. Or we'll sick the dogs on you for daring to think for yourself and not be a Lemming.

yup, aussie guv'ments attitude to it's citizens . i talk to a lot of people about being more politically aware , the young one's especially just put their heads back down to staring at their phones , looking at stupid sh!t on the net, instead of what's happening in the real world