Petition against the rushed new firearm laws proposition

[ederlezi]

https://c.org/fGzd4fMdRr

Please circulate amongst your contacts / forums.

The only one I have seen so far, if you come accross another one, please post it here so we can sign them all.

Thank you,

[Zappa]

NSW LGS and the national firearm industry are facing an existential crisis. If you're in NSW you need to act now.

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To our Customer Network,

We are facing an unprecedented and urgent challenge regarding proposed firearms legislation in New South Wales. Industry bodies and peak representatives are working continuously to respond, but we have now reached a critical point where Customer voices must be heard. Your engagement is essential.
Immediate Action Required

We urgently encourage our Customers to:

Write to their local Member of Parliament, the Minister for Police, and the Premier
Raise concern about the rushed nature of the proposed legislation
Highlight the lack of meaningful consultation with industry experts
Emphasise that rushed laws risk poor outcomes, particularly in a highly regulated sector like ours
Make sure you Blind Carbon Copy (BCC) your emails to: [email protected] so communications can be tracked and supported

Find your local representatives here:

NSW MPs: https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/members
Federal MPs: https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members
Chris Minns Office: [email protected]
NSW Minister for Police and Counter-terrorism: [email protected]
Leader of the Opposition: [email protected]
NSW Nationals Leader: [email protected]

All communication must remain respectful, factual, and professional. Our industry's reputation depends on it.

Time is critical. We urge you to act immediately and support this effort without delay. Thank you for your continued professionalism and support.

Regards

Gary Georgiou
Safari Firearms
BEXLEY, NSW 2207
Australia
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NSW Firearm legislation draft letter
Subject: Concerns Regarding Proposed NSW Firearm Reforms

Dear [Title and Name],

I am a licensed, law-abiding firearm owner writing to express serious concern about the proposed NSW firearm reform legislation.

I do not support reforms that target compliant licence holders while failing to address the real drivers of violence and extremism.

In particular:

1. Diversion From the Real Problem
Gun reform does nothing to address the national surge in antisemitism, radicalisation and extremist ideology. Lawful firearm owners must not be used as scapegoats to avoid confronting these deeper and more complex issues.

2. Capacity Limits
Proposed firearm capacity limits fundamentally misunderstand both firearm use and public safety.

Capacity limits do not stop terrorism or extremist violence. Terrorists should have no access to firearms at all. Limiting capacity assumes lawful access and lawful intent, neither of which applies to terrorists or criminals. Someone willing to commit mass violence is not deterred by arbitrary restrictions on magazine size or capacity.

Firearms in Australia are already approved based on a genuine reason framework. Different legitimate purposes require different tools. Just as no one would suggest limiting a golfer to one club regardless of distance or terrain, capacity limits ignore the reality that different shooting activities, occupational requirements and safety considerations demand different equipment.

Using the appropriate tool for the intended purpose improves safety. In some contexts, higher capacity reduces the need for repeated reloading, lowers the risk of mishandling under stress, and supports humane outcomes in pest control and animal welfare. Arbitrary limits do not improve safety and may create unintended risks.

Capacity limits also punish lawful firearm owners for the actions of deranged, radicalised terrorists who operate entirely outside the licensing system. Law-abiding shooters comply with strict storage, licensing and renewal requirements and are not the source of extremist violence.



If the objective is public safety, the focus must be on preventing terrorists and criminals from accessing firearms at all, not on restricting the lawful tools of compliant citizens.

3. Compensation and Buy-Back Costs
Any reform that renders lawfully owned firearms unlawful will require fair and lawful compensation. This obligation does not stop at the firearm itself.

A mandatory buy-back would also require compensation for:

● Firearms

● Magazines and other regulated ancillaries

● Optics and sighting systems

● Ammunition rendered unusable or unlawful

● Dealer stock held in good faith under existing law

Beyond compensation to owners and businesses, there are significant administrative and enforcement costs. These include valuation, processing, storage, transport, destruction, compliance oversight and additional policing resources required to implement the scheme.

Past buy-back programs demonstrate that these costs escalate rapidly and run into the billions of dollars once fully accounted for. At a time of significant cost-of-living pressure and strained public finances, it is reasonable to ask who will pay for this.

Will taxpayers fund another multi-billion-dollar program that targets compliant citizens, or will lawful firearm owners and small businesses be expected to absorb the losses?

If existing laws were not properly enforced, shifting the financial burden onto law-abiding Australians is neither fair nor responsible. Public money should be directed toward addressing extremism, radicalisation and community safety, not compensating for rushed and avoidable legislative overreach.


Australia already has some of the toughest firearm laws in the world. If existing systems failed, they should be properly reviewed and fixed. Rushed legislation will not deliver safer outcomes.

I urge you to oppose reforms that punish lawful citizens and instead focus on evidence-based solutions that genuinely improve public safety.

Yours sincerely,
[Full Name]
[Suburb / Electorate]

[ederlezi]

For Albanese to resign.

https://www.change.org/p/call-for-resig ... JLUTmmDdog

[Wapiti]

Some videos to watch.

Anthong (POS) Albanese announces a gun buy-back:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8hAKHFQjcKs

Shooters Union and SSAA President bipartisanship, together asking for help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HY4TeN1fHk

FFS all you lot capable of hitting the keys, write!
Join these orgs now, and throw your weight behind people doing the hard lifting for you, or forever don't soil this sport, this primary production industry, your right to harvest food in a socialist-run down spiralling society country, or this forum even, again.

[1886]

Not a post I would have expected to be making but given history it is pertinent.

When we in WA were being screwed by Labors BS gun reforms many posters here were very vocal on what we needed or should be doing even to the extent of being very vitriolic. Problem was many of us knew it was going to be pointless given Labors' control of both houses of Parliament. Thus, the best we could hope to achieve was to gain some exceptions, which did eventuate.

Most of what is now being announced in the East are what we in WA have already experienced and our new laws are now also very strict on who can obtain a firearm etc so it is doubtful we will be heavily affected, if at all.

I note the NSW Govt also has a control of both houses with Greens support. For info, under this scenario petitions etc are a total waste of time but good luck.

But moreso for those of you here that were very vocal towards us in WA at that time sadly it's now your turn to show us how it should have been be done !!!!

[Wapiti]

Some more information from my local Federal member for Maranoa on Qld.

David Littleproud MP
View this email in your browser

RESPONDING TO CALLS FOR GUN LAW CHANGES

Keeping our communities safe requires the right focus

Like many Australians, I was deeply shocked by the recent violent attack and my thoughts remain with those affected, their families and the wider community.

In the days since, there have been renewed calls from both the Federal and NSW Governments for changes to Australia’s gun laws. I want to be clear that I do not believe further gun law changes are the answer. Australia already has strong firearms laws in place, and I have stated publicly that there is no need to change them.

What this incident has highlighted is the need to address deeper issues. It has exposed serious failures in immigration settings, intelligence gathering and the way warning signs within our society are being identified and acted upon. These are the areas where reform is needed if we are serious about preventing future tragedies.

This attack should never have happened. The Federal Government must take responsibility for ensuring our intelligence and law enforcement agencies have the powers and support they need to keep Australians safe.

If people are fortunate enough to come to our country, they must adhere to the values we share as Australians. We are a proud multi-faith and multicultural nation, but those values must be respected and upheld.

This is not a problem that can be solved through gun law changes . It requires a serious, honest focus on ideology, enforcement and national security. I will continue working with my colleagues to protect our freedoms, our values and the safety of our communities.

EPBC ACT REFORMS CREATING CONFUSION FOR FARMERS

Farmers deserve clarity, not rushed laws

I have been hearing from farmers and contractors right across Maranoa who are deeply concerned about Labor’s rushed changes to the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act.

These new federal laws came into effect on 1 December, yet Senate Estimates confirmed there was no industry consultation, no property-level mapping, and no clear understanding of how the new Commonwealth rules interact with Queensland’s existing vegetation frameworks, including category X land. Even more concerning, the Department could not guarantee that farmers would not suffer financial loss as a result of these changes.

Many landholders have told my office they have stopped work altogether because they are unsure what they can and cannot do under the new laws. When people fear unintentionally breaking the law, they park machinery, delay operations and absorb costs they simply cannot afford. This uncertainty is already costing farming businesses and contractors thousands of dollars.

The removal of clarity around the lawful continuation of land use has only added to this confusion. Despite the laws already being in force, the Department was unable to explain when meaningful guidance would be provided, or what that guidance would actually contain. That is not good enough for people whose livelihoods depend on clear and practical rules.

These reforms were rushed through Parliament as part of a deal with the Greens, ahead of a Senate inquiry into land clearing that was not due to report until March next year. Once again, regional Australians are being asked to pay the price for decisions driven by inner-city politics.

I share the concerns being raised by farmers and contractors across Maranoa. I will be writing directly to the Environment Minister to demand clear advice, accountability and immediate guidance for those affected. Farmers should not be demonised or left in limbo. They deserve certainty, respect and the ability to keep doing what they do best, producing food and fibre for our nation.

If these changes are affecting your business or property, my office is here to assist and to ensure your concerns are heard.

A CHEAPER, BETTER AND FAIRER ENERGY PLAN

Putting households and regional communities first

Earlier this month, The Nationals made the decision to step away from Labor’s net zero by 2050 target. This was not a rushed or reckless call. It followed months of detailed policy work and a clear look at the impact Labor’s approach is having on families, businesses and regional communities.

Under Labor, electricity and gas prices have surged, household budgets are under pressure and productive farmland is increasingly being targeted for poorly planned energy projects. The estimated cost of Labor’s net zero plan runs into the trillions of dollars, and regional Australians are being asked to shoulder far more than their fair share of that burden.

Australia produces just over one per cent of global emissions, yet Labor’s targets push us to move faster and harder than comparable countries. That makes our industries less competitive and drives up costs for households, without delivering meaningful global outcomes.

The Nationals believe there is a better way. Our cheaper, better and fairer energy plan puts people first. It focuses on bringing power prices down, keeping jobs secure and protecting farmland and the local environment. It recognises that all energy technologies should be considered, rather than locking the country into a single approach that is driving costs up and reliability down.

Australia should continue to do its fair share to reduce emissions, but not more than the rest of the world. We should focus on practical solutions that lower costs, strengthen our economy and give households and businesses confidence about the future.

That is the approach I will continue to support, because regional Australians deserve energy policy that works for them, not against them.


Until next time
All the very best,
David

[ederlezi]

So, the most important petition to sign, parliamentary action against the new proposed law. Please sign and circulate.

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/la/Pa ... utm_id=319

[Eaglehawk]

Not a post I would have expected to be making but given history it is pertinent.

When we in WA were being screwed by Labors BS gun reforms many posters here were very vocal on what we needed or should be doing even to the extent of being very vitriolic. Problem was many of us knew it was going to be pointless given Labors' control of both houses of Parliament. Thus, the best we could hope to achieve was to gain some exceptions, which did eventuate.

Most of what is now being announced in the East are what we in WA have already experienced and our new laws are now also very strict on who can obtain a firearm etc so it is doubtful we will be heavily affected, if at all.

I note the NSW Govt also has a control of both houses with Greens support. For info, under this scenario petitions etc are a total waste of time but good luck.

But moreso for those of you here that were very vocal towards us in WA at that time sadly it's now your turn to show us how it should have been be done !!!!

With enough support, we can sway the independents, with the libs nats and independents, they won’t be able to pass in the Legislative Council.

[Toadstool]

It's a done deal, no petition, writing to your members, blah blah will do anything at all. If you rally the media will label you cookers.

The general sentiment by the public surrounding firearms has for decades been negative. Even without this event this proposition could have easily passed.

Sure I'm cynical, but i'm also from WA and lost my firearms due to our over regulating laws changes.

"sO We sHould Just GiVe up!@???"

Do what you need to do to feel you've done what you can. You're up against a rigged system.

[mchughcb]

Not a post I would have expected to be making but given history it is pertinent.

When we in WA were being screwed by Labors BS gun reforms many posters here were very vocal on what we needed or should be doing even to the extent of being very vitriolic. Problem was many of us knew it was going to be pointless given Labors' control of both houses of Parliament. Thus, the best we could hope to achieve was to gain some exceptions, which did eventuate.

Most of what is now being announced in the East are what we in WA have already experienced and our new laws are now also very strict on who can obtain a firearm etc so it is doubtful we will be heavily affected, if at all.

I note the NSW Govt also has a control of both houses with Greens support. For info, under this scenario petitions etc are a total waste of time but good luck.

But moreso for those of you here that were very vocal towards us in WA at that time sadly it's now your turn to show us how it should have been be done !!!!

And when you are shown how it's done what are going to do then?

[mchughcb]

It's a done deal, no petition, writing to your members, blah blah will do anything at all. If you rally the media will label you cookers.

The general sentiment by the public surrounding firearms has for decades been negative. Even without this event this proposition could have easily passed.

Sure I'm cynical, but i'm also from WA and lost my firearms due to our over regulating laws changes.

"sO We sHould Just GiVe up!@???"

Do what you need to do to feel you've done what you can. You're up against a rigged system.

Remember when in 1993 Dr Carmen Lawrence banned duck hunting in WA? Well Allan got the results of the Animal Judtice Party led inquiry last year in Vic and guess what, after it was a done deal with Animal Justice Party, duck hunting didn't get banned.

[fussy]

TO DO LIST:
Local member state
local member federal
Premier ----------------Opposition leader
Police miniser ---------shadow police minister
Rural/primary production minister --------shadow minister
Sports minister --------shadow ninister

PM--------------------------opposition leader
Fed police ----------------shadow minister
Sport---------------shadow
primary production -------------shadow
And anyone else you think of.

Got the idea? Each of these people should receive TODAY (if not already) a brief, polite note about your legitimate opposition to any more tight gun laws.
Do it now, as parliament is apparently sitting MONDAY for these laws.
Remind them what happened to the Nationals when they allowed us to cop it in 1996. They were finished, and rightly so, for caving in to Canberra instead of representing grass-roots constituents.

[Toadstool]

It's a done deal, no petition, writing to your members, blah blah will do anything at all. If you rally the media will label you cookers.

The general sentiment by the public surrounding firearms has for decades been negative. Even without this event this proposition could have easily passed.

Sure I'm cynical, but i'm also from WA and lost my firearms due to our over regulating laws changes.

"sO We sHould Just GiVe up!@???"

Do what you need to do to feel you've done what you can. You're up against a rigged system.

Remember when in 1993 Dr Carmen Lawrence banned duck hunting in WA? Well Allan got the results of the Animal Judtice Party led inquiry last year in Vic and guess what, after it was a done deal with Animal Justice Party, duck hunting didn't get banned.

Different world unfortunately. There's been 3 decades the public has been conditioned to fear and dislike firearms. id love to be proven wrong and for the government to stop and say "actually it wasnt the gun laws, but our own failing". cmon though lol, as if.

They have an agenda to push through and don't give a damn. They have enough general support on the issue by the misinformed masses. Much like their under 16 social media ban, it's their way or the high way.

[bigrich]

TO DO LIST:
Local member state
local member federal
Premier ----------------Opposition leader
Police miniser ---------shadow police minister
Rural/primary production minister --------shadow minister
Sports minister --------shadow ninister

PM--------------------------opposition leader
Fed police ----------------shadow minister
Sport---------------shadow
primary production -------------shadow
And anyone else you think of.

Got the idea? Each of these people should receive TODAY (if not already) a brief, polite note about your legitimate opposition to any more tight gun laws.
Do it now, as parliament is apparently sitting MONDAY for these laws.
Remind them what happened to the Nationals when they allowed us to cop it in 1996. They were finished, and rightly so, for caving in to Canberra instead of representing grass-roots constituents.

you've inspired me , qld opposition leader was just sent a email, as was susan ley . i've sent well over a dozen in the last few days, and considering i type with one finger it's been a effort i'll do a few more tonight

[fussy]

https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Membe ... -Ministers
https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Membe ... /Ministers

My score is 22 emails so far.

[mchughcb]

It's a done deal, no petition, writing to your members, blah blah will do anything at all. If you rally the media will label you cookers.

The general sentiment by the public surrounding firearms has for decades been negative. Even without this event this proposition could have easily passed.

Sure I'm cynical, but i'm also from WA and lost my firearms due to our over regulating laws changes.

"sO We sHould Just GiVe up!@???"

Do what you need to do to feel you've done what you can. You're up against a rigged system.

Remember when in 1993 Dr Carmen Lawrence banned duck hunting in WA? Well Allan got the results of the Animal Judtice Party led inquiry last year in Vic and guess what, after it was a done deal with Animal Justice Party, duck hunting didn't get banned.

Different world unfortunately. There's been 3 decades the public has been conditioned to fear and dislike firearms. id love to be proven wrong and for the government to stop and say "actually it wasnt the gun laws, but our own failing". cmon though lol, as if.

They have an agenda to push through and don't give a damn. They have enough general support on the issue by the misinformed masses. Much like their under 16 social media ban, it's their way or the high way.

What are you talking about? I'm talking about Victoria doing something recently. What did you do in 1993 about duck hunting in WA?

[Dedd]

It's a done deal, no petition, writing to your members, blah blah will do anything at all. If you rally the media will label you cookers.

The general sentiment by the public surrounding firearms has for decades been negative. Even without this event this proposition could have easily passed.

Sure I'm cynical, but i'm also from WA and lost my firearms due to our over regulating laws changes.

"sO We sHould Just GiVe up!@???"

Do what you need to do to feel you've done what you can. You're up against a rigged system.

Remember when in 1993 Dr Carmen Lawrence banned duck hunting in WA? Well Allan got the results of the Animal Judtice Party led inquiry last year in Vic and guess what, after it was a done deal with Animal Justice Party, duck hunting didn't get banned.

Different world unfortunately. There's been 3 decades the public has been conditioned to fear and dislike firearms. id love to be proven wrong and for the government to stop and say "actually it wasnt the gun laws, but our own failing". cmon though lol, as if.

They have an agenda to push through and don't give a damn. They have enough general support on the issue by the misinformed masses. Much like their under 16 social media ban, it's their way or the high way.

You'd be surprised, plenty of anti-gun people I've talked to think the laws are just to shift blame and our current laws are fine. It's not as popular this time, since they used bolt actions and had obvious red flags that were ignored.

A quick reminder that the social media ban was started by a petition to the government. It took like 100k signatures, but that was federal government. Our current NSW petitions have around 30k and are still rising.

[Wapiti]

Great to see the members here, both new and long time lurkers. Your contributions are awesome and most welcome.

[bigrich]

It's a done deal, no petition, writing to your members, blah blah will do anything at all. If you rally the media will label you cookers.

The general sentiment by the public surrounding firearms has for decades been negative. Even without this event this proposition could have easily passed.

Sure I'm cynical, but i'm also from WA and lost my firearms due to our over regulating laws changes.

"sO We sHould Just GiVe up!@???"

Do what you need to do to feel you've done what you can. You're up against a rigged system.

mate , your attitude is the problem . not meaning to insult or offend , just the truth

[bigrich]

You'd be surprised, plenty of anti-gun people I've talked to think the laws are just to shift blame and our current laws are fine. It's not as popular this time, since they used bolt actions and had obvious red flags that were ignored.

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i've been talking with everyday people , and that's the general sentiment . in a way , covid lockdowns and draconian actions by state premiers woke a lot of people up to be less trusting and look closer at our politicians actions and motives . i can see sentiment this gaining momentum . i'm waiting for the rally calling for albo to resign. the governor general has already stated she's had a lot of calls to sack the labor guv'ment . i doubt that would happen though . might send her a email anyway ....

[Zombie]

For the NSW residents.

SSAA sent out an email asking all to sign the petition.
It's for NSW residents and you don't have to be a shooter, so friends/family that are non shooters can also sign and if you can encourage them to do it immediately, that would be good as the next couple of days are critical for people in NSW.

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/la/Pages/ePetition-details.aspx?q=vIXRT1jpe3su04gChoZaZQ

[mchughcb]

You'd be surprised, plenty of anti-gun people I've talked to think the laws are just to shift blame and our current laws are fine. It's not as popular this time, since they used bolt actions and had obvious red flags that were ignored.

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i've been talking with everyday people , and that's the general sentiment . in a way , covid lockdowns and draconian actions by state premiers woke a lot of people up to be less trusting and look closer at our politicians actions and motives . i can see sentiment this gaining momentum . i'm waiting for the rally calling for albo to resign. the governor general has already stated she's had a lot of calls to sack the labor guv'ment . i doubt that would happen though . might send her a email anyway ....

NT first minister has now publicly stated they are not following nsw . First major crack in Albos plan. Other states will be looking as well.l now. Minns might be on his own.

[9.3x64]

You'd be surprised, plenty of anti-gun people I've talked to think the laws are just to shift blame and our current laws are fine. It's not as popular this time, since they used bolt actions and had obvious red flags that were ignored.

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i've been talking with everyday people , and that's the general sentiment . in a way , covid lockdowns and draconian actions by state premiers woke a lot of people up to be less trusting and look closer at our politicians actions and motives . i can see sentiment this gaining momentum . i'm waiting for the rally calling for albo to resign. the governor general has already stated she's had a lot of calls to sack the labor guv'ment . i doubt that would happen though . might send her a email anyway ....

NT first minister has now publicly stated they are not following nsw . First major crack in Albos plan. Other states will be looking as well.l now. Minns might be on his own.

That’s a positive sign. You only need Queensland to do the same now and that crack might get wide enough to split the whole thing apart.
I have emailed every man and his dog, especially in Queensland.
Everyone needs to get behind this.
Everyone non shooter I have spoken the last couple of days believes that these firearms laws are just a division from the real problem.

[Finniss]

Yes, good to see in the NT. A number of politicians are hunters up here including the deputy leader so hopefully genuine advice is being given. The Chief Ministers statement to not 'blindly follow NSW' is reflective of a considered approach at least but doesn't rule out limits etc

[9.3x64]

Yes, good to see in the NT. A number of politicians are hunters up here including the deputy leader so hopefully genuine advice is being given. The Chief Ministers statement to not 'blindly follow NSW' is reflective of a considered approach at least but doesn't rule out limits etc

No it doesn’t, but we might get a chance for some negotiation.

[Die Judicii]

That’s a positive sign. You only need Queensland to do the same now and that crack might get wide enough to split the whole thing apart.
I have emailed every man and his dog, especially in Queensland.
Everyone needs to get behind this.
Everyone non shooter I have spoken the last couple of days believes that these firearms laws are just a division from the real problem.

I didn't get one,,,, and on behalf of my dog,, I'm wondering where her email is ???

[ederlezi]

Hey Team,

I sent an email to everybody. Below is the list of all the NSW Members of the Parliament that can be reached via emails. Pasting it here as it is very easy to send one email to all of them at once. If we all do that, the number of emails will be massive. (Just paste the list below in a BCC distribution list when you send the email. I used a generic introduction that is valid for all of them: Dearm Member of the Parliament Office. Template to use is above and everywhere.)

Please give it a go,
Thanks,

Members of NSW Parliament
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[mchughcb]

I'd make sure it only goes to one at a time with referring to them by name and if you know something about them that might help, include it.

Otherwise it will be treated at spam.

[bigrich]

That’s a positive sign. You only need Queensland to do the same now and that crack might get wide enough to split the whole thing apart.
I have emailed every man and his dog, especially in Queensland.
Everyone needs to get behind this.
Everyone non shooter I have spoken the last couple of days believes that these firearms laws are just a division from the real problem.

I didn't get one,,,, and on behalf of my dog,, I'm wondering where her email is ???

good on ya

i didn't get one either

[1886]

............And when you are shown how it's done what are going to do then?

Dude, you do realise you have less than 2 days to do something. It's all about balance of power and Minns has it with the support of the Greens.

That's what happened in WA as Labor had absolute control of both houses so no matter what was done, even the largest ever WA petition (we tried) it was all totally ignored.