Getting out of the city and insulating your future freedom

[Wapiti]

I've written this for those of you who've had enough, and who want to be in as much control over their lives as they possibly can. To not suffer as a result of the actions of the plebs who will just lay down and be kicked, again and again. Try to read it with an open mind.

Years ago, when a mate and I used to go to another mates places downstream of Glen Lyon dam along the Qld NSW border, hunting. 6,7,8 times a year. I slowly came to the conclusion that the city, and the kind of people there were not like me, and even though we busted our arses out there, it was relaxing. True hunters here know what I mean.
We used to go hunting our own way, we used to hunt certain animals we were chasing, we were not "shooters". Our wives came out sometimes, sometimes not. But we were increasingly frustrated about what we were doing, how other people's behavior and lawlessness stigmatised us, and how the future looked grim for us to do what we were doing without peanut penis politicians using us as scapegoats.
Also, we had no hope of watching a particular buck, stag or boar grow up, managing our hunting opportunities if you will, because the next mob (they had a few groups coming out "hunting" on their places) shot up everything.
Even looking at places that say they they are doing QDM, like a certain bloke up Brisbane Valley way, we see people shooting 4x5 stags for thousands of dollars plus annual fees and ballots, animals that are not being QDM at all but are used solely as a money making enterprise. QDM when there is money to be charged and people lining up to have a crack is just bullsh*t, as I know now from really doing it my way.

Anyway, blah blah.
Then, after 1996, and seeing how petty the shooters were at the Belmont SSAA and how they attacked one another over their individual niches in the shooting sports, I was appalled. When semi autos and pumps were being banned, the paper punchers and clay shooters said, why do you need semi autos? Stabbed us in the back. As long as we can keep shooting paper or clay targets, they said. You don't need to shoot IPSC rifle or shotgun. Apparently.
Then in 2003, my large bore pistols were banned and I had to hand them in to be crushed. The other pistol shooters who could keep their air postols, .22's and 38's scuttled away like cockroaches, and the rifle shooters said, "thank goodness it's you this time".
I'd had enough. I came from a place in the past where i had to fight for everything, and the only thing in my way were pathetic people and their opinions.

I knew it was going to keep happening. I knew that shooters were divided and were too cowardly to all get together and say, "NO, we will all not comply"
If they all had done that, things would be different. But, even the SSAA said, don't go the lawless route, come to our ranges instead, it's great".
Imagine now, if all the gun owners in NSW all said, at the same time, right now, f**k off Minns, come and get them. No, because most people just give up, then cry about it.

Anyway, moral of this story is, for the price of your house in the city full of latte sipping freaks, you can buy 6,000 acres, a farm up for sale in the country.
Buy a place further than 3 hours from the coast, already set up, and start living.
Most of us in the trades have jobs that require them to fly in/out, so it doesn't matter where you live anymore.
Country towns are screaming out for trades, self-employed, engineers, any skilled workers and families anyway, if you aren't in a construction trade.

You see what's happening now. I believed 20 years ago that this was coming, and NEXT TIME, no city people will have ANY guns. Only primary producers, or occupational license holders, will have firearms.
Even on a farm with 10 guns as a limit, you can have one for all your needs. Sure, you can't get whatever you want, whenever you want, but you can continue to enjoy the true pleasure of controlling your game, your peace and quiet, and your mental well-being. being your own boss.

So you set yourself up as a primary producer. It isn't for everyone, being your own boss. Slackers and bludgers need not apply, but there are plenty of people out there busting to be the only winners from their hard work, without losers dragging you down. Why work your whole life making someone else's business better, and someone else richer?
It's important though, that you discuss your plans with suitably experienced accountants. Do not ask your city tax-return "thank you, come again" accountant for advice here. If you talk to the right people, you will get a big shock how much you are missing out of in life, and your pocket.

You can then get that Occupational licence, and all the guns now going to Cat C are there for you. Even Cat D and H, if you are so unfortunate as to comply with the laws now to get those classes, due to dangerous feral animals and proven stock and income losses (your tax return legalises this as all the evidence you need). Maybe that will change in the future, I know that. If people are that low-IQ that they keep installing socialists into government.
And you will soon find out how and why farmers feel used and marginalised by city "shooters". Shouldn't be happening, but it does. Just reading some of the comments from certain individuals here now after Bondi just shows me that. Reinforces how I go about things.

You don't have to put up with the self-obsessed city people, their leftist self-destructive self-serving opinions, the crime, imported neanderthals (they don't live in the bush) crowds, you can be the architect of your own satisfaction.
Like I said, it's not for everyone. Not everyone can take the blows, the pain and the sweat. I realise some people are too old to make this change, or have unfortunate health issues. But there are huge rewards, and it doesn't cost you any more than your little box in the leftist crowded city.
It's like any goal, the hard work is worth it. Is certainly is proven now, that's for sure.
20 years ago, when I decided to do it, I knew I didn't want my life to be driven by other people's failings, and yep, it's coming true.

I've taken the time to write all this because it may make some of you think. I'm not trying to upset anyone, and if I have done so, it's your issue to deal with.

[mchughcb]

Why not just live in the city and purchase a few hundred acres bush block in the mountains and head up there every other weekend and shoot deer? Ive got 3 mates that do that. I personally can't justify it. I live inner city and its only 57 minutes to the closest block for shooting deer if you don't leave at peak hour. 3 hours for me gets me on a mates farm in NSW for ducks on rice or fox hunting.

I understand where you are coming from but there's a lot of other factors people that have to consider, including the wife and family.

[alexjones]

I suggest leaving the country. Extract as much resources as you can and leave to a better country. People that love freedom should not live in Australia and support a country that rapes its citizens through high taxes and communist tyranny.

Australia is a s**t hole that rapes its citizens.

Australia in 2025 is a terrible place to live.

[bigrich]

well written wapati , i agree with you. as a 57 years old metal worker my joints are all getting worn out . if i was 20 years younger i'd do the move . where i live in logan was all bush when i was a young . logan was similar in size to stanthorpe when i was a kid, and had a country lifestyle feel to it . the urban sprawl through south east QLD and the gold coast is mind boggling . i prefer country folk to city dwellers, just seem to be of similar minds . on the upside i talk to the ignorant suburbanites where i live , explaining the hunting and target shooting, trying to be a good ambassador for gun owners . maybe that in itself makes a difference , maybe not.

again, if i was 20 years younger , i'd maybe be of a mind as AJ and move to a traditional part of the USA . claim refugee status from our leftist guv'ment we have in this country . this country has been won over to the left cause they've worked hard at it , while conservative australians have complained, but sat around in apathy instead of acting. this has to change . i really hope a federal royal commission is called , the failings of labour and the greens exposed will destroy them . conservatives are rising politically and we must all support them at a grass roots level to effect change in this country . if i lose my firearms i'll need a new hobby , and that'd be being a pro gun activist and volunteering to help one nation . in the meantime i'm going to hunt and shoot as much as i can

[Wapiti]

Why not just live in the city and purchase a few hundred acres bush block in the mountains and head up there every other weekend and shoot deer? Ive got 3 mates that do that. I personally can't justify it. I live inner city and its only 57 minutes to the closest block for shooting deer if you don't leave at peak hour. 3 hours for me gets me on a mates farm in NSW for ducks on rice or fox hunting.

I understand where you are coming from but there's a lot of other factors people that have to consider, including the wife and family.

Whatever suits the individual mate.
But my suggestion isn't just easy access hunting, it's owning land and setting up to insulate yourself from all of this BS, as much, and as long for, that you can.
I'm trying to be as honest and open in my explanation, but I can't always get my point across to everyone.
All I ask is, that you read the post completely and hopefully you will get the message in it.
If I was in NSW now for example, I would be saying, "thank goodness" I could see what was coming, and set up to minimise the crap.
I also wrote that this won't suit everyone, everyone looks at this kind of stuff differently.

[Wapiti]

I suggest leaving the country. Extract as much resources as you can and leave to a better country. People that love freedom should not live in Australia and support a country that rapes its citizens through high taxes and communist tyranny.
Australia is a s**t hole that rapes its citizens.
Australia in 2025 is a terrible place to live.

Yes it is mate, I agree.
But even at the expense of some people here poo-pooing my suggestions to change things, I try and keep pushing the message, that there are alternatives that are better, even solutions. Some of the stuff being put up is just plain misinformation or outright lies.
Nothing is perfect, especially politicians, but why not minimise the pain and damage?

My problem is, I came from a family that came here to Aus with absolutely nothing, were discriminated against in the 60's as immigrants, and just managed to give us all everything we needed to be strong minded enough to realise, if someone else can do it, you can too, even better suited to you and your family. So I just don't give up, especially what I do for my wife and I.

There is nothing that can't be fixed, if the rot can't be completely removed from the house, it can be stopped and repaired, and worked around if it wasn't even there.

[Wapiti]

well written wapati , i agree with you. as a 57 years old metal worker my joints are all getting worn out . if i was 20 years younger i'd......
again, if i was 20 years younger , i'd......

Appreciate the sentiment mate, but problem is, whatever you do to try and tell your city neighbours etc that what you do is legal and healthy and whatever, they will not support you.
The only way out is to get out.

57 is a great time for a change.

[Wapiti]

Another thing you can do is buy a substantial size farm and lease it out.
There are a line-up of people wanting more land to run cattle or sheep on, and pay a rate per animal/week. Agistment.
If the joint that is in ripe hunting areas, it's cattle fenced, and tghere is water in dams, creeks etc then that lease money will give you an income.

Many people our age have extra properties (we don't anymore, what a b@stard that was), but in todays market, a house in the suburbs can be sold a big profit, and immediately changed to a large rural property. The rent you got, and the tax benefits, just come from a different source.
The advantage is, as I said earlier, that after a visit to a country business accountancy, you will be set up as a primary production business and you will have what you need to get all the benefits...
Tax free fuel, with what's used a tax deduction.
Every tool, machine, guns, ammo, vehicles, rates, power costs, all expenses, are a tax deduction.
New fences (if you like to make things better), sheds, all tax benefits.
You don't even have to live there if you don't want to. Or you can live in a few different places, whatever you want.
OK, so it's hard work. But if you are a tradie, this work is no more physically difficult than working for someone else, and making them prosper instead of you.

I don't have to make a point of this, but all the massive benefits that this brings made me think it would be a good suggestion not to be a part of what the town folk are facing now. It just might help someone else out.

So where I'm coming from is

[bigrich]

well written wapati , i agree with you. as a 57 years old metal worker my joints are all getting worn out . if i was 20 years younger i'd......
again, if i was 20 years younger , i'd......

Appreciate the sentiment mate, but problem is, whatever you do to try and tell your city neighbours etc that what you do is legal and healthy and whatever, they will not support you.
The only way out is to get out.

57 is a great time for a change.

not with worn out knees, wrists and hands it's not i soldier on as best i can, but moving out bush on my own probably isn't the best move . trying to stick things out as long as i can in my trade, but a easy job at bunnings or something a few days a week is on the cards . gotta save my energy and fitness for hiking through the bush and pulling a trigger i drive the toyota more instead of stalking these days, but at least i'm still getting out there
education of the city bound dummies would help a lot . when i was a kid in the 70's everyone knew a little bit about farming and the essentials of life. today, your average suburban housewife would be horrified if she was asked to lop the head of a chook and butcher/prepare it for the sunday night roast . couple of generations ago they wouldn't have batted a eyelid. i think people these days believe that meat is grown on plastic trays by coles and woolworths . the truly useless don't cook and drive into a MacDonald's drive through. the really lazy sit at home and using their phone, order uber eats . what a freakin' world hey

[Wapiti]

Yeah I've worn my knees out, know intimately the perils and usefulness of Tramadol and Endone. Missing a few toes, an identical Trump right ear chip, pins from knee to ankle, you name it. My surgeon reckons if we give me new knees, I can forget doing what I do now.
But nothing will stop me and like I say it's not for everyone.
While I can walk, I will be doing what I love and nobody elses excuses or views will stop us (I don't mean you Rich, that's not a response to your comments)

In fact, I wouldn't want everyone doing it because then the country will be full of the same people from the burbs who have made those joints so awful.

But if I can get some people thinking and move to a life that once they've started it, they will wonder why they didn't do it earlier.
To have to endure the results of the cancer filled cities out here is just maddening.
One thing is for sure, the huge side benefits of living and working a country business is no harder than working for a boss, or stacking shelves.
Except for a 4-gun limit, and forced gun club membership, and my pistols in MY safe not a gun clubs.

We've been out the back watching the chooks and guinea fowl go past, have a fridge full of eggs and venison, watching the tiny fallow and red fawns not 20m from us over the back fence, the stags camped in the yard mowing it for me, two Wapiti bulls going their best to destroy the bore-powered gravity-fed sprinkler.
It can be whatever you want it to be, quiet and slow paced, or fingers-in-every-pie busy, or in between.

Again, I'm only putting this up for the people who have the drive, the dreams, and the will to make whatever they want happen because if I can do it will all the f**kups I make, you all can too. This isn't about me, this is about you guys.
I couldn't have any of this, and way more, if it wasn't all my doing.

One of my wapiti bulls, now just 24 months old with their half-grown first heads, Odin, drinking from the sprinkler and doing his best to destroy it, while his mate Olympus watches on and getting a shower.

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Three 14 point reds this morning, at about 2/3rds antler regrowth, cooling off in the duckweed dam next to the house. Two will have many more points that that by the roar. Yeah we've missed all this Christmas rain so far.

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[bigrich]

beautiful views mate . haven't really had much rain at my place , gold coast and north of brissy got hit yesterday apparently . just got back from supercheap auto boxing day sale, picked up 20 litres of penrite diesel engine oil for $142 , and all the engine filters i'll need for the next year. poor old toyota needs a bit of TLC over the break , been bashing around some rough rocky country north of you over the last few years . better check nothings going to fall off

[Wapiti]

No RX Super mate?
We fitted out Penrite at Beenleigh, pipework to and from additive tanks and base oils and installed the new electronic metering stations on their assembly lines. From their bulk oil tanks outside the building to the mixing stations inside.
It was disconcerting to see the concrete, below-ground mixing tubs open at the top, dead toads floating in the residual oil going into the 5L bottles and all the dust and hair blowing into the oil off the concrete walkways. through the open roller doors. Of course, it went through a filter on the way through...
Opened my eyes.

[bigrich]

No RX Super mate?
We fitted out Penrite at Beenleigh, pipework to and from additive tanks and base oils and installed the new electronic metering stations on their assembly lines. From their bulk oil tanks outside the building to the mixing stations inside.
It was disconcerting to see the concrete, below-ground mixing tubs open at the top, dead toads floating in the residual oil going into the 5L bottles and all the dust and hair blowing into the oil off the concrete walkways. through the open roller doors. Of course, it went through a filter on the way through...
Opened my eyes.

bloody good oil mate , now you know what secret additives its got in it

[Wapiti]

Another thing - (takes a while to keep everyone's attention spans), imagine with all these Labor state govts calling for "WA Style" gun laws in all Gaybor states.

Hunting will be VERY restricted, possibly so competitive, that even if it isn't banned in words, it will take a nosedive and only very few will be able to do it if they do not own their own property.
The reason being, remember how WA, which due to police and public servants making this cr@p up out of their @rses, need police to decide if, and how many, hunters will be "allowed" (great society these Labor c**nts dream up for us all, eh) on a property,
over and above the property owner on the rates notice and
what, if any high-power rifles (whatever that is in a sit-down-to-piss narcissists brain) are allowed, meaning cartridges suitable and
they will tell you if the feral animals there are needing outside assisting from private hunters or not.
I find this extremely disrespectful, insulting and virtually the rules of a communist regime.

Being that ONLY the Shooters Union ever have through history, stuck by farmers, with the SSAA totally absent and the SFP doing deals with Labor for stupid things, do you reckon you blokes have any chances in the coming future?
It's too late to join the club after the doors are shut.

Those of you that have a property, firearms already registered to it for the purposes of pest control and financial losses from feral animals - I truly believe "real" hunting as a genuine reason will be banned next time, will be the only people hunting and shooting.
Me, I have shot at rifle clubs, been a pistol club range officer, shot IPSC pistol, rifle and shotgun, Met. Sil. etc, and way back then the regulation annoyed the sh*t out of me. I cannot imagine doing that now, but those of you that can deal with your gear locked up at a gun club, every move and shoot scrutinised, the huge costs with all this security and record keeping, well, go ahead. Not me.

This will happen in the future, when is the next oooga booga caveman Allan's Snackbar shooting with illegal black-market guns happening next? Soon?
That will be the end of it.
With all guns registered, you will be handing 'em over.

The farmers will be the only ones using firearms, being able to live outside of supermarket-city.
Remember Covid?
We watched on the telly, all the plebs locked in their houses, with the imaginery line (in Qld anyway) at Aratula below Cunningham's gap on the Great Divide. All of us west of that line went about as normal, the cops didn't care, we all had our counter-lunches on our in-town days and marvelled at the east coast all being locked up.
No wonder they are all subservients, "Stockholm Syndrome?"

Depends how serious you take your freedoms, I suppose.

[Wapiti]

This young fallow buck, in velvet still, walked up to us a few days ago when we were enjoying a late arvo gin at the farm.
I got up and offered him one Weetbix biscuit, the things I use to tame my breeding deer and humanise them. Within a few days, he comes up, gets a neck scratch and has a few bikkies then off he goes.
He is completely wild, never ever handled before.
You would not get that at a $1000/night farmstay. It would be too litigious and risky to insure for that. It's just free with your own farm. or anything else you want to make it.

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[Blr243]

Big rich. R u goin hunting in the heat this Xmas ?

[Billo]

What have you suffered Wapiti?

[Billo]

You call yourself Wapiti, have you actually shot 1 in Oz ?

[Die Judicii]

So, after reading your post Mate, What is your next step (for those that are able to follow suit) Become the next Sir Leonard and form a province ???? Cos i can find no reference to him whatsoever now,, praps the successive gubmints since have obliterated that page in our history.

[bigrich]

Big rich. R u goin hunting in the heat this Xmas ?

christ no ! i prefer the cooler months . heat does make it easy to find pigs if there's limited water i guess . i should get back out around march at the earliest , unless i come across a hunting opportunity in the meantime .

[Wapiti]

All I set out to do was put it out there, a few reasons why it works if you have the will, and what you can get out of it.

Again I say, it isn't for everyone. Very few for sure.
Anyone with any questions, feel free to ask by PM.
I expected the bitter and completely irrelevant comment here and there from people who will attack you for having a go. There will always be those people. It is a forum after all. It's not for those who find negativity in everything, they will fail.
One thing is for sure, nobody else's negativity is changing what I want to achieve, and I hope that goes for the decent folk out there too.
Good luck with the path you choose personally!

[bigrich]

One thing is for sure, nobody else's negativity is changing what I want to achieve, and I hope that goes for the decent folk out there too.

and nor should anyone's negativity dissuade you from following your dream mate . i think apathy, and negative pessimism is the main reason why conservative Australians and firearm owners have been losing ground. you've worked hard to achieve a dream, and your still building on it . it's a credit too you . as you say it's not for everyone given different circumstances. if i win the lotto on saturday night i'll be saying "hello neighbour" but

[Wapiti]

You call yourself Wapiti, have you actually shot 1 in Oz ?

Have you decided which firearms you're handing in yet?

[alexjones]

The worst thing about this country is that at one point not that long ago it really was the best in country in the world.

In our lifetime we have seen it rapidly decline. Its a hard pill to swallow but its reality.

[bigrich]

The worst thing about this country is that at one point not that long ago it really was the best in country in the world.

In our lifetime we have seen it rapidly decline. Its a hard pill to swallow but its reality.

sad but true , i was born in 1969 , and can tell you it's nothing like it was .

[ColdStart]

The core issue is that Australia has become a capital city based country, and that shift is not reversing.

Percent of Australians living in capital cities, every 5 years (data starts at 1901)

1901: 36.3%
1906: 37.5%
1911: 38.3%
1916: 41.1%
1921: 43.6%
1926: 45.4%
1931: 46.9%
1936: 46.8%
1941: 48.5%
1946: 50.6%
1951: 49.9%
1956: 54.5%
1961: 59.9%
1966: 61.5%
1971: 65.5%
1976: 65.4%
1981: 64.8%
1986: 64.7%
1991: 64.6%
1996: 64.7%
2001: 65.0%
2006: 65.3%
2011: 66.0%
2016: 67.1%
2021: 67.2%
2025: 73%

When most of the population lives in cities, most people have no practical reason to own a firearm and no lived understanding of rural realities. For many, the bush is a weekend away, not a working environment. a place to live (except for day dreams) or something they really understand except from what they see from their car windows. I tell city people I don't have mail delivery (AusPost) to my letterbox/door and they don't believe me, I tell them its a 100km plus round trip to the doctor/supermarket and they can't understand it. They really have no idea and I don't really consider myself that remote.

That leaves rural people as a minority that is often under serviced and under resourced, and judged through a city lens by a majority who simply do not experience the same needs or risks.

Most Australian prefer to live in a city and except rules and laws based on that, this is what people need to understand is the reality of Australia today.

[alexjones]

Where is a lot of the crime?

In the cities. So owning guns as a means of self defence makes most sense in a city so I do not buy that city argument.

I think most people are just communists or communist sympathisers and love to be told what to do and what to think because they lack purpose in their life.

[ColdStart]

Where is a lot of the crime?

In the cities. So owning guns as a means of self defence makes most sense in a city so I do not buy that city argument.

I think most people are just communists or communist sympathisers and love to be told what to do and what to think because they lack purpose in their life.

Its is illegal to use a firearm or any weapon to protect yourself in Australia, so that argument is null and void . Add to that, the crime rate in Australia is pretty low, even in city's, well below the OECD average.

I agree and stat's also agree that city's are hold more communists views vs rural. This is shown in that Labor are city based and conversative are rural

But you seem to be missing point while also getting it. Australia has moved away from what it was, to a city based culture. Gun laws and other things are going to be great effected with this cultural shift.

[alexjones]

Where is a lot of the crime?

In the cities. So owning guns as a means of self defence makes most sense in a city so I do not buy that city argument.

I think most people are just communists or communist sympathisers and love to be told what to do and what to think because they lack purpose in their life.

Its is illegal to use a firearm or any weapon to protect yourself in Australia, so that argument is null and void . Add to that, the crime rate in Australia is pretty low, even in city's, well below the OECD average.

I agree and stat's that city's are hold more communists views vs rural. This is shown in that Labor are city based and conversative are rural

It is not illegal to use a gun for self defence anywhere in Australia. Very difficult but not illegal. Queensland actually has case law supporting guns for self defence.

My point was people in cities should support gun laws and making conceal carry legal because the cities is where most of the crime is.

Bondi just had a mass shooting. I bet my life everyone there who was cowering like dogs unable to defend themselves wished concealed carry was legal so they could defend themselves and their family.

[ColdStart]

Where is a lot of the crime?

In the cities. So owning guns as a means of self defence makes most sense in a city so I do not buy that city argument.

I think most people are just communists or communist sympathisers and love to be told what to do and what to think because they lack purpose in their life.

Its is illegal to use a firearm or any weapon to protect yourself in Australia, so that argument is null and void . Add to that, the crime rate in Australia is pretty low, even in city's, well below the OECD average.

I agree and stat's that city's are hold more communists views vs rural. This is shown in that Labor are city based and conversative are rural

It is not illegal to use a gun for self defence anywhere in Australia. Very difficult but not illegal. Queensland actually has case law supporting guns for self defence.

My point was people in cities should support gun laws and making conceal carry legal because the cities is where most of the crime is.

Bondi just had a mass shooting. I bet my life everyone there who was cowering like dogs unable to defend themselves wished concealed carry was legal so they could defend themselves and their family.

Its not legal anywhere in Australia to own or carry a firearm for self defence, you may use one for such, in very rare situations where the law of self defence applies, meaning you believed it was necessary and the response was reasonable in the circumstances. This is very very rare in Australia

The issue is that most city people don't think like you, they have never had access to a firearm, wouldn't know how to use on and don't consider them necessary at all.

In the Bondi situation, they think "call the police" and its the "polices job to handle it" not I wish I had a firearm, this is the thing that you don't understand. They don't think or act like you. hence why the people that bravely acted had grown up or lived in places this wasn't the case.

City people aren't use to relying on themselves, it not a city thing, you have people that do that for you.

Rural and country people are the opposite, you only often have yourself or your neighbours to rely on.