past nsw registery failures

[Zappa]

America. f*** Of. Stick your crown where it fits. Republic. Right to life remains with the individual.
And a very trigger happy wild west.

The USA is the only outlier. And now we have the constant battle between liberals who want what the rest of us have. Vs conservatives who want the principle foundations of their nation to endure.

I wonder whether we'll get another crack at the Republic referendum this lifetime? Would make for an interesting vote.
I don't expect things would change much, but it would add some dynamics to our society and culture.

[alexjones]

I actually think if we became a republic things would stay the same or even get worse than they are now.

Everybody knows the answer to 1984 is 1776. That is the only way to obtain human rights.

[deye243]

I want to know why nobody is calling for the head of the Firearms Registry no doubt a copper he should be facing 15 charges of manslaughter he after all approved the license for somebody with ISIS and terrorist ties even in Victoria you will lose your guns if you've got a bikie as a mate and And he or she also approved six permits to purchase yet everybody has conveniently forgotten about him

[womble]

The only party that would advocate for a republic is Labor.
The only possible benefit would be constitutional reforms.
I don’t think I want Labor writing those reforms.

Why would the US permit us sovereignty today, when they can extort us indefinitely.
Trump calls XiJinpeng. Send a few warships out for another lap of Australia
Trump sends US subs to follow them around.
Trump sends us the bill.

Too much foreign interference here. Most of our wealth goes offshore. Most of our resources are foreign owned.

You would have to tear it all down and start from scratch. And we live relatively comfortably currently. The only currency freedom accepts is blood.

10% of the global population controls 85% of global wealth.
Newscorp protects that wealth. Breed ignorance, ensure compliance.

The only potential liberator is China. No thanks.

So how do we preserve our culture.
Hunting. We should have the right to hunt. It is our heritage and steeped in our founding. Europeans settlers hunted heavily here for survival.
We hunted kangaroos like the US did buffalo. It was a big Industry here.
We later introduced game species of all varieties to hunt. Probably because anything tastes better than kangaroo.
So when they take our guns it’s not the guns they are taking. They are taking our traditions. Our social rituals. Our identity.

Anyway. Just my opinion. The right to hunt needs to be enshrined.

[Wapiti]

I want to know why nobody is calling for the head of the Firearms Registry no doubt a copper he should be facing 15 charges of manslaughter he after all approved the license for somebody with ISIS and terrorist ties even in Victoria you will lose your guns if you've got a bikie as a mate and And he or she also approved six permits to purchase yet everybody has conveniently forgotten about him

Some of the bigger YouTube political channels have been saying that since the attack at Bondi.
Unfortunately that will just reinforce the complete pointlessness of NSW's attack on firearms owners, and ruin the plan.

[Zappa]

I want to know why nobody is calling for the head of the Firearms Registry no doubt a copper he should be facing 15 charges of manslaughter he after all approved the license for somebody with ISIS and terrorist ties even in Victoria you will lose your guns if you've got a bikie as a mate and And he or she also approved six permits to purchase yet everybody has conveniently forgotten about him

Some of the bigger YouTube political channels have been saying that since the attack at Bondi.
Unfortunately that will just reinforce the complete pointlessness of NSW's attack on firearms owners, and ruin the plan.

You can't blame the regulator, cops or the police commissioner. They're all products of the system we have created.

[alexjones]

I blame the government who does not allow citizens to conceal carry firearms.

Evil will always exist so why should people have to navigate society without the means to
Defend their life?

[Zappa]

Why would the US permit us sovereignty today, when they can extort us indefinitely.

Cause they're going down quicker than a waterproof teabag. They're economy is going to the crapper with 36 trillion in debt and with the other global market players shying away from the greenback, it's default currency status is diminishing. Saudi Arabia, UAE and Quatar are keeping them afloat. But piss their citizens off with what Israel is doing, their leaders will be ousted on the first planes to Miami.

The peace President is far from it. They're a hungry bear.
They'll be starting a war or two soon after they grab Venezuela's oil and go after the rest of the South American oil countries that refuse to channel all their oil through the US.

They'll go after Iran for their oil, as what they've done in Syria and the Caspian-sea countries. Obviously they'll concoct more fabrications about WMD's, Nuclear threats and co-erse our government to send blood and treasure to help their cause.

Then there's the Commonwealth poster boy which is going through an internal crisis with racism, identity politics, multiculturism and right wing nutters.

No thanks, cut them off before they take us down with them. We still have hope if we're masters of our own den.

[bigrich]

I want to know why nobody is calling for the head of the Firearms Registry no doubt a copper he should be facing 15 charges of manslaughter he after all approved the license for somebody with ISIS and terrorist ties even in Victoria you will lose your guns if you've got a bikie as a mate and And he or she also approved six permits to purchase yet everybody has conveniently forgotten about him

Some of the bigger YouTube political channels have been saying that since the attack at Bondi.
Unfortunately that will just reinforce the complete pointlessness of NSW's attack on firearms owners, and ruin the plan.

You can't blame the regulator, cops or the police commissioner. They're all products of the system we have created.

so your saying the public servants in charge of the firearms registry shouldn't be held to any accountability or responsibility lack off responsibility and accountability is why we've had numerous licencing failures that have resulted in deaths. cause these clowns handing out guns don't care if they stuff up, it adds weight to anti gun advocates and licensed shooters are now paying the price through no fault of their own. i certainly didn't approve or condone the current system .

if i was running things it would be a lot different . just for starters license applicants would be taught firearms code of conduct with respect to other citizens and property owners . it absolutely sh!ts me to tears when i hear of poachers trespassing, cutting fences which is the height of disrespect and stupidity , and idiots just driving around shooting signs and anything that moves on back country roads . it's selfish, indulgent behaviour that brings hunters trying to get access to properties no end of knockbacks, and does nothing to improve the public perception of shooters and hunters.

the laws work, but the implementation of them and the lack off accountability is why we're in the current mess . which is the reason i started this topic

[Zappa]

so your saying the public servants in charge of the firearms registry shouldn't be held to any accountability or responsibility lack off responsibility and accountability is why we've had numerous licencing failures that have resulted in deaths. cause these clowns handing out guns don't care if they stuff up, it adds weight to anti gun advocates and licensed shooters are now paying the price through no fault of their own. i certainly didn't approve or condone the current system .

Silence is acquiescence. If you don't agree with how licenses are dished out to the public, raise your concern.

To date there is no suggestion that they failed to follow the process, nor was there any evidence of skullduggery involved. It's my understanding that they where working off the best information that was available from AFP and other agencies, coupled with the absence of criminal record or law misdemeanors, the individual according to firearms regs of NSW, would have been fit to hold a license.

I'm not looking for scapegoats cause I've been made a scapegoat today.

Therefore on what basis would you not grant this individual a license? Related to an individual that was investigated for illegal association four years ago?
Would you have not contested this in a civil administration tribunal if you were in his shoes?

We're discussing on the information that has been made public and the facts to date. I, like many would like to know where the cracks where in the process.

I have my suspicion due to the rushed NCAT laws together with the agency (communication) shortcomings, but I prefer to wait for a formal enquiry before passing judgment as Mr LAFO and concerned Joe Citizen.

[deye243]

I want to know why nobody is calling for the head of the Firearms Registry no doubt a copper he should be facing 15 charges of manslaughter he after all approved the license for somebody with ISIS and terrorist ties even in Victoria you will lose your guns if you've got a bikie as a mate and And he or she also approved six permits to purchase yet everybody has conveniently forgotten about him

Some of the bigger YouTube political channels have been saying that since the attack at Bondi.
Unfortunately that will just reinforce the complete pointlessness of NSW's attack on firearms owners, and ruin the plan.

You can't blame the regulator, cops or the police commissioner. They're all products of the system we have created.

so your saying the public servants in charge of the firearms registry shouldn't be held to any accountability or responsibility lack off responsibility and accountability is why we've had numerous licencing failures that have resulted in deaths. cause these clowns handing out guns don't care if they stuff up, it adds weight to anti gun advocates and licensed shooters are now paying the price through no fault of their own. i certainly didn't approve or condone the current system .

if i was running things it would be a lot different . just for starters license applicants would be taught firearms code of conduct with respect to other citizens and property owners . it absolutely sh!ts me to tears when i hear of poachers trespassing, cutting fences which is the height of disrespect and stupidity , and idiots just driving around shooting signs and anything that moves on back country roads . it's selfish, indulgent behaviour that brings hunters trying to get access to properties no end of knockbacks, and does nothing to improve the public perception of shooters and hunters.

the laws work, but the implementation of them and the lack off accountability is why we're in the current mess . which is the reason i started this topic

If you were running that registry and when the results of background check came back and ASIO had flagged terrorist links are you saying you would seriously give that person a firearms licence .
in Victoria I know of one bloke who lost his license and his guns for 10 years because his son who does not live in the house has a mate who is in one of the major bikie gangs so it's okay to be having links with a terrorist organisation but not a bikie gang makes no sense

[bigrich]

deye there is no way in the world i would've given a person who'd been investigated by asio a gun license. especially with links to a terror group like isis , and the fact he'd been in the country for years and still wasn't a citizen . the guy you mention who lost his guns cause of his son's affiliations doesn't sound fair . real bloody can of worms . just as well i'm not running the registry

[alexjones]

You know as gun owners we are probably “investigated” by ASIO. So being investigated is just conjecture to me.

[bigrich]

You know as gun owners we are probably “investigated” by ASIO. So being investigated is just conjecture to me.

maybe your getting watched by asio mate , i wouldn't be a blip on their radar . at 57 i've had 3 DUI convictions , that's it . last time was 10 years ago, 22 years before that, and one when i was about 21 . that's the only interaction i've had with coppers , and i'd like to keep it that way

[womble]

Why would the US permit us sovereignty today, when they can extort us indefinitely.

Cause they're going down quicker than a waterproof teabag. They're economy is going to the crapper with 36 trillion in debt and with the other global market players shying away from the greenback, it's default currency status is diminishing. Saudi Arabia, UAE and Quatar are keeping them afloat. But piss their citizens off with what Israel is doing, their leaders will be ousted on the first planes to Miami.

The peace President is far from it. They're a hungry bear.
They'll be starting a war or two soon after they grab Venezuela's oil and go after the rest of the South American oil countries that refuse to channel all their oil through the US.

They'll go after Iran for their oil, as what they've done in Syria and the Caspian-sea countries. Obviously they'll concoct more fabrications about WMD's, Nuclear threats and co-erse our government to send blood and treasure to help their cause.

Then there's the Commonwealth poster boy which is going through an internal crisis with racism, identity politics, multiculturism and right wing nutters.

No thanks, cut them off before they take us down with them. We still have hope if we're masters of our own den.

Forgot Greenland.
Northwest passage is melting fast. And a shorter route.
Won't even need access to the Panama canal

[1886]

................................so your saying the public servants in charge of the firearms registry shouldn't be held to any accountability or responsibility lack off responsibility and accountability is why we've had numerous licensing failures that have resulted in deaths. cause these clowns handing out guns don't care if they stuff up, it adds weight to anti gun advocates and licensed shooters are now paying the price through no fault of their own. i certainly didn't approve or condone the current system...........................

Not just NSW.

There's an interesting comment in an article in our todays paper concerning 3 lads who dumped shark heads at the door of their local Labor members office in Margaret River as a protest against labors massive fishing lockout of our shores. That was hilarious reading but when the Police raided their house it got to one also facing two counts of unlawfully possessing a firearm.

Further reading indicated that this arose because it related to two firearms for which the license had expired !!!!

Excuse me but it took a totally wild escapade by these dudes for one to then get busted because his firearm license had expired for god knows how long ago. The firearms were now unlicensed and could be sold on the market as such.

So this now raises the question as to will this now be investigated as to WHY hadn't Police firearm officers knocked on his door weeks/months beforehand to confiscate them for now being unlicensed and somebodies head should role. Obviously raises the question of how many of the so called unlicensed firearms always being referred to were actually licensed at one stage but the Police didn't follow up with confiscation. The mind boggles.

[alexjones]

I am not a police apologist but they are human and humans do commit data entry or other errors.

Who here has not made a mistake at their job by accident?

Where is the line drawn between an error and gross negligence?

[Finniss]

I suppose the frustration isn't the mistakes it the misrepresentation.

[1886]

I am not a police apologist but they are human and humans do commit data entry or other errors.

Who here has not made a mistake at their job by accident?

Where is the line drawn between an error and gross negligence?

In 2024 there was a possible DV incident about to occur involving a dude who was going off the rails and WA Police were subsequently warned multiple times by his wife that he had handguns and that she was terrified. They failed to act, which resulted in an absolutely innocent friend of the wife and her daughter being shot and killed.

The subsequent internal investigation outcome was " The February report exposed deep failings in the way eight officers handled complaints made by xxxxx. Police Commissioner xxxx admitted his officers should have issued a restraining order against xxxx and seized his 13 guns well before he shot dead two women...."

IN 2025 at Bondi Beach two individuals shot and killed 15 innocent people including a child and wounded numerous others. Subsequent investigations revealed both were known to Police and the son was previously on a former ASIO watch list. Despite this the father was issued/retained a firearm licence for 6 firearms several of which were used in this incident by him and his son.

Many wondered what action the respective governments would now undertake to ensure this Police failing didn't recur so as to avoid innocent people being killed by the actions of persons known to Police.

Well the result from both these incidents was the same by both Governments.

In 2025 the WA Government enacted a new firearms Act that massively affected all other LFAO's who had nothing to do with this incident.

In 2025 the NSW Government enacted a new Firearms Act that will massively affect all other LFAO's that had nothing to do with this incident.

Yet both incidents resulted from inaction taken by the respective Police so mate you draw the line. !!!!!!!

[bigrich]

I am not a police apologist but they are human and humans do commit data entry or other errors.

Who here has not made a mistake at their job by accident?

Where is the line drawn between an error and gross negligence?

In 2024 there was a possible DV incident about to occur involving a dude who was going off the rails and WA Police were subsequently warned multiple times by his wife that he had handguns and that she was terrified. They failed to act, which resulted in an absolutely innocent friend of the wife and her daughter being shot and killed.

The subsequent internal investigation outcome was " The February report exposed deep failings in the way eight officers handled complaints made by xxxxx. Police Commissioner xxxx admitted his officers should have issued a restraining order against xxxx and seized his 13 guns well before he shot dead two women...."

IN 2025 at Bondi Beach two individuals shot and killed 15 innocent people including a child and wounded numerous others. Subsequent investigations revealed both were known to Police and the son was previously on a former ASIO watch list. Despite this the father was issued/retained a firearm licence for 6 firearms several of which were used in this incident by him and his son.

Many wondered what action the respective governments would now undertake to ensure this Police failing didn't recur so as to avoid innocent people being killed by the actions of persons known to Police.

Well the result from both these incidents was the same by both Governments.

In 2025 the WA Government enacted a new firearms Act that massively affected all other LFAO's who had nothing to do with this incident.

In 2025 the NSW Government enacted a new Firearms Act that will massively affect all other LFAO's that had nothing to do with this incident.

Yet both incidents resulted from inaction taken by the respective Police so mate you draw the line. !!!!!!!

exactly ! that's what i try to point out to non-shooters . the laws work, the people who administered the law failed . i hadn't heard the result of the investigation into the WA incident . still, they wouldn't shout findings like that out loud would they a mother and daughter would probably be alive if police had acted and confiscated his guns . the guy had a brain tumour i think which was affecting his state of mind. his car license was cancelled straight away cause of that but not his gun license ?

[1886]

But the issue that really pissed me off about this disgusting episode was reading what the lady was told during one encounter when asking for help.

When outlining the many previous discussions she had trying to get someone to do something she advised one attending officer that her husband was out of control and he had handguns and she was frantic about her safety.

The reply she advised she received was truly astounding "we know about his guns and I have made sure my guys have vests".

WTF, basically we will be fine but you are on your own !!!!!!

I would hope that these officers are on parking ticket duties as they were a dismal fail at protecting the public resulting in an innocent lady and her daughter being killed but somehow I expect nothing really changed.

[alexjones]

I find it strange that the police in that situation did not take his guns. Police love taking guns.

That is a terrible situation that you mention. However apart from her complaints to police what evidence did the police have of illegal activity?

I personally do not believe in so called preventative measures because people have a right to property ownership and due process and that is a sacred basic human right.

If no evidence of criminal activity can be provided I do not believe people should have their property taken from them.

Property ownership and due process is a fundamental human right.

If you want to take peoples private property then due process must be followed.

[1886]

.................. However apart from her complaints to police what evidence did the police have of illegal activity?............If no evidence of criminal activity can be provided I do not believe people should have their property taken from them.....

Jeez Alex are you on the right forum with that outlook.

So would two dead bodies be enough criminal activity for you before taking any action and unfortunately even after the fact.

But I would also guess that maybe threating his wife that he was going to kill her would suffice along with his wifes frantic efforts to get Police help to at least get his guns confiscated should have raised a red flag but hey they now had vests so were ok.

[alexjones]

.................. However apart from her complaints to police what evidence did the police have of illegal activity?............If no evidence of criminal activity can be provided I do not believe people should have their property taken from them.....

Jeez Alex are you on the right forum with that outlook.

So would two dead bodies be enough criminal activity for you before taking any action and unfortunately even after the fact.

But I would also guess that maybe threating his wife that he was going to kill her would suffice along with his wifes frantic efforts to get Police help to at least get his guns confiscated should have raised a red flag but hey they now had vests so were ok.

What outlook? Logic and reason not emotion. This forum is called enough gun. Maybe you have enough guns but I don't.

I am asking a serious question did the police have evidence of these death threats? Text messages or video recordings etc. Or was its just somebodies word?

You are talking about taking peoples property and I am asking did the police have any evidence?

That is a terrible situation that occurred but due process IE evidence, court issued warrants etc must always be followed before people have their property confiscated.

[bigrich]

.................. However apart from her complaints to police what evidence did the police have of illegal activity?............If no evidence of criminal activity can be provided I do not believe people should have their property taken from them.....

Jeez Alex are you on the right forum with that outlook.

So would two dead bodies be enough criminal activity for you before taking any action and unfortunately even after the fact.

But I would also guess that maybe threating his wife that he was going to kill her would suffice along with his wifes frantic efforts to get Police help to at least get his guns confiscated should have raised a red flag but hey they now had vests so were ok.

i agree with you . AJ takes "innocent until proven guilty" to a new level . somebody threatens to kill somebody and they have guns it's prudent to be pro active to avert murder and death. public safety comes before gun rights in this scenario . there have been circumstances where false accusations have resulted in people losing their guns , i realize that .but if police had've acted in this case two women wouldn't have been murdered by a man who had mental health issues as a result of a brain tumour. it's common sense . i agree with AJ on other issues but this isn't one of them .

[Zappa]

Im not familiar with all the details of the incident, but imo WAPOL should have err'ed on the side of caution and confiscated the perps firearms when the wife came forward with concerns about her husbands mental state.

However a lack of clearly defined process or lack of adherence results in knee jerk reactionary measures but the States PM. Deflect away from the real issue by announcing hasty laws that penalizes the people that do follow the process.

We've seen this movie before...

[1886]

I am asking a serious question did the police have evidence of these death threats? Text messages or video recordings etc. Or was its just somebodies word.................

FFS Dude are you serious.

Maybe if you saw the women on TV balling her eyes out trying to explain how she tried and tried to get the Police to take his guns as she feared for her life and now her best friend and her daughter were dead you may have a different outlook. One would hope so.

But what part of the damming report done in relation to the WA incident and admission by the Commissioner of Police don't you understand or comprehend.

The February report exposed deep failings in the way eight officers handled complaints made by xxxxx. Police Commissioner xxxx admitted his officers should have issued a restraining order against xxxx and seized his 13 guns well before he shot dead two women...."

Eight officers were identified as not taking appropriate action which lead to an innocent mother and her daughter being shot and killed.

Yet you seem to be implying there still wasn't enough reason for them to take action. Correct ?

[alexjones]

1886

Someone balling their eyes out on TV is not a valid reason in my view to form opinion. Logic and reason is the only way to form an opinion not emotion.


Anyone can make a complaint about anything. Which is why I asked you what evidence was provided?

We all know restraining orders can be issued by police without due process.


This situation is terrible but that does not mean we let terrible things override basic human rights.

[alexjones]

Whats that movie with Tom Cruise where he is a cop and they arrest you before the crime is committed because they can see the future?

The world is not like that.

[womble]

It is when it comes to domestic violence here.
As is necessary.

What you’re saying Alex is you can threaten to kill somebody and they shouldn’t take your guns of you.
Only after the fact.
That’s your logic.

The movie was Minority Report.