Speculating on new firearms laws

[bigrich]

Look up the studies.

Lesbian couples have the highest rates of domestic violence. Nearly 50%

Such a classic example of just how easy it is to manipulate you.

You could have applied critical thinking. You could have asked why. You could have read the studies.

But that first sentence got you hook line and sinker. It gave you that dopamine kick in reinforcing your bias. It gave you the banana. And that’s all you really wanted.

You didn’t want to know why or how.

But knowledge is power. And this is not a difficult one to explain.
What the studies actually found was that couples in lesbian relationships had experienced a higher rate of domestic violence in their lifetimes.

Women do experience higher rates of domestic violence. Rape, physical violence, stalking.
So when you have two women in a relationship there is a higher chance that at least one of them has experienced domestic violence in their lifetime.
By comparison to the typical couple of one man and one woman.

i'd like to see the context of those figures before taking a "holier than thou " attitude to AJ mate . i don't agree with AJ on everything but i think he's got a point . i shouldn't say this , but here goes , woman in general have a propensity to be overly emotional than logical , a natural leaning to bi-polar behaviour if you will . so two emotionally irrational women in a same sex relationship means more domestic volatility . there's my holier than though opinion

oh i'm so politically incorrect, i should hang my head in shame and no i'm not married

[womble]

So read the research. Was that not his advice. Look at the studies.
All I did was read the research .
It perked my interest.

[9.3x64]

Well, I have just spent the last two hours again emailing every Queensland MP, every 92 of them.
I have already done this once two weeks ago, but it’s time again to get in their ribs!
There is no use whining on this forum like a little boy hiding under his mother’s dress.
Get into them, get into their face, be heard…

[deye243]

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Just have to accept the fact that on the whole Australians hate freedom and hate independent thought.

Sadly I have to agree with this statement especially in the area I live in and strangely as a lot of the older generation live in it the whole of Australia these days reminds me of a statement I heard come out of America once there's no point in giving you freedom as you would not know what to do with it

[alexjones]

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Just have to accept the fact that on the whole Australians hate freedom and hate independent thought.

Sadly I have to agree with this statement especially in the area I live in and strangely as a lot of the older generation live in it the whole of Australia these days reminds me of a statement I heard come out of America once there's no point in giving you freedom as you would not know what to do with it

My woman is from the soviet union. She loves order, structure and rules. Pretty much she loves how the nazis were so organised and methodical with rules and regulations. She thinks society should be structured.

I keep telling her you can have order and structure but it can be your own and not mandated by a government but by yourself as a free man.

I feel like the sense of freedom has been erased from her mind. Hates it when I tell her what to do but wants to be told by a government regulation what to do. That is ingrained brainwashing in my opinion.

[alexjones]

It is so sad to me that the concept of personal freedom, self determination and personal responsibility evades peoples brains.

America really is the last vestibule of a freedom loving society.

[Finniss]

There is no council, rates or planning code where I live. People move here, then petition the NT Government to implement one.

They'd rather pay rates for eternity, have rules and have a council to complain about than take care of themselves. The majority love to be governed.

[deye243]

Yes it all started in schools 30 40 years ago stop thinking for yourself the government and education department knows what's good for you snowballed into the society over time how could any nation agree that it is illegal to defend yourself or your property by any means possible

[Finniss]

Crap, albo has seperated the proposed legislation to make it easier to pass the gun changes....no change to the firearm related portion at the moment.

Anyone know if he can get it passed with just the greens support?

[deye243]

All he needs is two other senators and there are five like Lamby and a couple of teals that will climb all over it

[Finniss]

All he needs is two other senators and there are five like Lamby and a couple of teals that will climb all over it

Crap, thanks.

[Wapiti]

Is there any truth to the news reports saying Albanese's bill will stop any more imports of firearms and related parts/components/ammo to screw over the states that have the nuts to spit in this cowards face?

[Die Judicii]

I hadn't heard of such, but I don't walk around with a radio and earplugs either.

That being said,, I wouldn't be at all surprised if on advisement (otherwise he's ignorant) that he's conniving such a move.

Didn't one of the other members post in the last few days of (I think) the coming NSW regulations calling for a ban on reloading equipment and practices, and which also encompassed searching for information on reloading via the internet, to be a jailable offence ?

[bigrich]

Is there any truth to the news reports saying Albanese's bill will stop any more imports of firearms and related parts/components/ammo to screw over the states that have the nuts to spit in this cowards face?

yes , i have heard something about that . but like all labours recent bills , they'll fill in the details later after the bill is passed

[Wapiti]

I'm concerned that the ban on hunting was mentioned and supposed to go in there.

Correction, wasn't as such a ban on hunting, that would cause too much of a reasonable persons outcry, I remember Minns saying that using hunting as a genuine reason was being used as a loophole for too many (real Australian - my sarcastic addition) gun owners to have guns at home in suburbia where he can't stand the thought of continuing. And that hunting wasn't at all an excuse in this day and age to stockpile guns for others to use in shootings.
Who didn't use them in competitions or gun club stuff. But that tiny fake leader did also say no gun-related competition is an expectation in todays society either.

Maybe that was just words when he was upset, particularly because he'd done SFA to stop the anti-Semetic marches in his capital EVERY weekend and was desperate to deflect blame.

Is there a definitive list of every new restrictive reason to be passed?
And Albanese's "nationwide" buyback - what's to buy back except in NSW at this point?

[Wapiti]

So just then on SKY, Katie Gallagher was being interviewed.

I'm pretty sure a reporter asked that why do the firearms confiscations laws being pushed when it really isn't a firearms issue and why no wait to have it confirmed by Royal Commission whether or not this was even the issue, she said (I'm paraphrasing but trying to be accurate) :
"The issue is that there are too many guns in Australian society and we must take this opportunity to make sure there are less guns in our communities"

It's just, as I have always said, Labor's political agenda.
You all MUST tell all your local reps that you will walk away from them forever if they go along with this!

[Wapiti]

Again, don't waste time going on about why gun laws do not stop crime, they know that!
Their agenda is to remove guns from you, not make our community safer. It's on the record now.

They are sitting Tuesday 2pm from what I've heard, to pass this, and are asking for the coalitions' full support to immediately pass without debate!

You all MUST tell every local coalition member you will never give them your vote ever again if they do not completely disagree.
The majority Australian people do not want this, they MUST represent majority Australian opinion, NOT political agenda.

[zbenga]

I probably haven't said this here before but here it is:

We are actually quite stupid, the shooting community and extremely unorganised. We pay our yearly SSAA fee and think they would do stuff for us, they won't!
SSAA in most place is on government land on a lease, they are a business and they try to get the little guys out even between themselves, example:

I'm in Brisbane and my home branch is Ripley, every time I go tot the other branch they look at my card and say why would I go to the bogans, I should switch to them but them as the bogans aren't even safe. This is because in Ripley you can load a full magazine not one round at a time, from the same table you can shoot seating or standing etc. The people in Ripley are actually nicer too.

They want money for their branch yet they do absolutely nothing for anyone, Shooters Union are the same, it's easy to post videos but no action from them.

As shooters we need an organisation that is NOT dependant on anything from the government like SSAA
As shooters we need to introduce at leat one friend a year to the sport
As shooters we need to ensure we are upstanding citizens
As shooters we need to grow our numbers, we are almost 1 million, we need to get to 3 million in the next 2-3 years!
As shooters we now have strength in numbers, are well organised and we can side with a political party which will bend to our will

It's not hard but the way SSAA is designed with it's internal factions has the marking of division, we are not well organised and are too scared to take a day off from work and march because what if the shooters bring weapons to a march?
Once our number double or triple I can guarantee political parties will knock on our doors for support, we are unfortunately too stupid to get to that point, by the time we wake up we won't be shooters anymore

[alexjones]

^^^

You think ripley is good? You should try Wattle Grove. Pistol, shotgun and rifle from the same bench.

The only range rules are to keep your muzzle pointed down range at all times and when the RO calls ceasefire open your action and don't touch your guns.

[Border_Bloke]

The scope and public consultation document for the Victorian review is now online.
I posted the details in the Victorian gun laws page on this forum.
They are reviewing whether they should bring in similar legislation as NSW did and specifically talk about limiting the number and type of firearms an individual can own.
They talk about consistency with the laws of other states.
Not looking good.

[Wapiti]

I probably haven't said this here before but here it is:

We are actually quite stupid, the shooting community and extremely unorganised. We pay our yearly SSAA fee and think they would do stuff for us, they won't!
SSAA in most place is on government land on a lease, they are a business and they try to get the little guys out even between themselves, example:

I'm in Brisbane and my home branch is Ripley, every time I go tot the other branch they look at my card and say why would I go to the bogans, I should switch to them but them as the bogans aren't even safe. This is because in Ripley you can load a full magazine not one round at a time, from the same table you can shoot seating or standing etc. The people in Ripley are actually nicer too.

They want money for their branch yet they do absolutely nothing for anyone, Shooters Union are the same, it's easy to post videos but no action from them.

As shooters we need an organisation that is NOT dependant on anything from the government like SSAA
As shooters we need to introduce at leat one friend a year to the sport
As shooters we need to ensure we are upstanding citizens
As shooters we need to grow our numbers, we are almost 1 million, we need to get to 3 million in the next 2-3 years!
As shooters we now have strength in numbers, are well organised and we can side with a political party which will bend to our will

It's not hard but the way SSAA is designed with it's internal factions has the marking of division, we are not well organised and are too scared to take a day off from work and march because what if the shooters bring weapons to a march?
Once our number double or triple I can guarantee political parties will knock on our doors for support, we are unfortunately too stupid to get to that point, by the time we wake up we won't be shooters anymore

Mate there's two options here for you.
With respect...
You either step up and start your own movement, instead of the usual all-too-easy social media "someone else needs to sort out my problems..."
OR... you make sure you contribute to these orgs, and then you have the intellectual respect to contribute your concerns and join the fight with the rest of us.

I don't want to have to spend my time poking the egos of these people, even members here, trying to influence politics and putting my own money and time into political parties by becoming part of them either.
I want to enjoy what I've worked hard for, not fight f**kwits.
But I have no choice.

[zbenga]

I do contribute more than you know, start my own movement would be kissing goodbye to my job and having my family put through something that I would rather leave the country than having to deal with it....

[Wapiti]

Hey mate, nothing personal.
So there are others, so I've seen on the interwebs, organising stuff. I'm sure one of us will see it and let everyone else know.
If you don't fight, you lose because you did nothing. History tells us this.

I do have a bit of a bee-in-my-bonnet about the "someone else needs to do something..." issue because over the last few years I HAVE gotten up and put my time, money and plenty of effort into community stuff and have always hit a brick wall. It's always having been to fight issues effecting my commumity so therefore me. Plenty of "it's great your doing that mate, go get 'em" only to turn around to find everyone else has bolted.
So yeah I can be a bit blunt.

[Terraincognita]

I reckon Queensland might be a hold out on any massive changes that may be proposed. A massive decentralised state with more people outside of the capital city than in it and the LNP dependent on regional votes. Regional cities with big hunting cultures.

In 1996 QLD wanted to let sports shooters keep semi autos for sports use. QLD and WA both did not want to implement registries due to the cost.

Both were blackmailed by the Commonwealth that taxes would be withheld so they caved and they signed the NFA.

There were no holdouts in 1996 and there will be no holdouts now.

Do still reckon I’m wrong mate?

[bigrich]

I reckon Queensland might be a hold out on any massive changes that may be proposed. A massive decentralised state with more people outside of the capital city than in it and the LNP dependent on regional votes. Regional cities with big hunting cultures.

In 1996 QLD wanted to let sports shooters keep semi autos for sports use. QLD and WA both did not want to implement registries due to the cost.

Both were blackmailed by the Commonwealth that taxes would be withheld so they caved and they signed the NFA.

There were no holdouts in 1996 and there will be no holdouts now.

Do still reckon I’m wrong mate?

big thing is it's not 1996 . the internet has let gun owners organise and put pressure on pollies, and some great MP's who've stood up in parliament and stated the truth . and the current result is crusifulli not bending the knee and standing firm . credit to him , credit to everyone who's worked hard , especially people on this forum who've been battling at a grass roots level . well done cobbers ! the voice didn't get up cause people got off their arses and voted against it . well, except for victoria . but it is victoria ...

QLD should holdout from paying any taxes or royalties to the feds if they play hard ball

[fussy]

Law Abiding Firearm Owners (LAFO) are in the same situation as the LGBTIQ+ lobby of about 40-50 years ago.

1. We mostly are law-abiding, taxpaying, employed, sensible people.
2. We are not a danger to you or your family.
3. You wouldn't know we're LAFO/LGBTIQ+ unless we tell you (although the LGBTIQ+ lot are now more open than 40-50y ago).
4. We are becoming more politically active because we're sick of being demonised/scapegoated etc.
5. LAFO have to undergo a background check and get a licence.

[Terraincognita]

Ok

[bigrich]

Law Abiding Firearm Owners (LAFO) are in the same situation as the LGBTIQ+ lobby of about 40-50 years ago.

1. We mostly are law-abiding, taxpaying, employed, sensible people.
2. We are not a danger to you or your family.
3. You wouldn't know we're LAFO/LGBTIQ+ unless we tell you (although the LGBTIQ+ lot are now more open than 40-50y ago).
4. We are becoming more politically active because we're sick of being demonised/scapegoated etc.
5. LAFO have to undergo a background check and get a licence.

yeah , i get your point , but i'm uncomfortable being likened to LGBT-alphabet people

they'd probably love my tikka if i "zhuzhed it up" with rhinestones and sparkles with colour coordinated scope and mounts
all carbon neutral of coarse ....