Q re ADI powder specs

[Zappa]

I'm reloading 9mm Luger and have notes with ADI APS450. I'm using 115GN Hawkesbury canonical round nose bullets.

I'm now forced to use APS650 and by my current research says the two powders are not interchangeable. I accept that.
How do i work out load capacity for the 650 ? Is there a rule of thumb, formula I can use to calculate the 650 load ?

Or is it just a case start low, and work your way up?

Apparently 650 is a slower burn than 450.

[niteowl]

I'm reloading 9mm Luger and have notes with ADI APS450. I'm using 115GN Hawkesbury canonical round nose bullets.

I'm now forced to use APS650 and by my current research says the two powders are not interchangeable. I accept that.
How do i work out load capacity for the 650 ? Is there a rule of thumb, formula I can use to calculate the 650 load ?

Or is it just a case start low, and work your way up?

Apparently 650 is a slower burn than 450.

Have a look on the ADI web site ! NEVER rely on any forum load details.

[No1_49er]

Go here - https://www.adiworldclass.com.au/data-pistol/9mm-luger
Not your bullet, but it could be a starting point for you.
With the Speer 115gn GDHP, start 4,5gn, max 5.0gn

[No1Mk3]

Just a note to those not familiar with Load Data development, make or style of bullet is irrelevant when data is compiled, only weight and whether lead or jacketed with coated bullets like Hawkesbury, Black Widow etc considered to be jacketed. Ballistics Labs don't know what firearm/barrel/environmental factors you operate in so date is designed to be safe in all conditions (why some data is differrent from some books for the same powder/primer/weight). As niteowl said Forum info should not be relied upon alone, check it against published data preferably by the powder manufacturer, as you may not have the same firearm/primer/barrel length or experience in working up a load.

[Zappa]

Go here - https://www.adiworldclass.com.au/data-pistol/9mm-luger
Not your bullet, but it could be a starting point for you.
With the Speer 115gn GDHP, start 4,5gn, max 5.0gn

By weight alone, the closest im going to get i suppose, even though the Speers are jacketed HP.

One of these days, I'm going to pickup a 9mm adaptor for my 12G shottie and use it for load development.

[deye243]

Load data for the same bullet weight for jacketed projectiles is always a higher maximum weight because you can push them faster without worrying about gas etching and causing leading of the barrel take it with a grain salt I'd be starting at 3.8 going up 0.2 of a grain while using a chronograph to reach the speed you require.
30 years experience with pistols it's just what i would do .

[bladeracer]

Yep, get the seven-inch rifled Chiappa if you can find one. Lets you do your load development without having to attend a club, and you can push the pressure without damaging an expensive pistol.

One of these days, I'm going to pickup a 9mm adaptor for my 12G shottie and use it for load development.

[Zappa]

Yep, get the seven-inch rifled Chiappa

my google is letting me down. What is this instrument you speak of?

[deye243]

Yep, get the seven-inch rifled Chiappa

my google is letting me down. What is this instrument you speak of?

https://diggertactical.com.au/products/ ... 357-38-9mm

[bladeracer]

Yep, get the seven-inch rifled Chiappa

my google is letting me down. What is this instrument you speak of?

https://diggertactical.com.au/products/ ... 357-38-9mm

That's them, but finding somebody with stock is hard.
Cleaver said they gave up on them because in Qld you need a permit to acquire for each one.

[Zappa]

Yep, get the seven-inch rifled Chiappa

my google is letting me down. What is this instrument you speak of?

https://diggertactical.com.au/products/ ... 357-38-9mm

That's them, but finding somebody with stock is hard.
Cleaver said they gave up on them because in Qld you need a permit to acquire for each one.

They're serialized. Damn. Looks trick and you would get some workable velocity numbers with them. Would have asked my mate in Italy to bring one back for me.

[Zappa]

Load data for the same bullet weight for jacketed projectiles is always a higher maximum weight because you can push them faster without worrying about gas etching and causing leading of the barrel take it with a grain salt I'd be starting at 3.8 going up 0.2 of a grain while using a chronograph to reach the speed you require.
30 years experience with pistols it's just what i would do .

Apart from leaning into your experience, how did you come up with a 3.8 starting load? I'm curious. Worse thing that could happen being too low, is my CZ semi-auto wont cycle.

I'm thinking, 7 [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] and [email protected] . I'll warm up the firearm with some factory ammo before I start sending mine.
My schedule would be, 2 rounds of each load, followed by 3 rnds of grouping, then the last 2 as summary and final chronos.

As an aside, can anyone recommend a good chrono? up to $500. I like the radar ones, not keen on shooting between the wires.

[bladeracer]

Apart from leaning into your experience, how did you come up with a 3.8 starting load? I'm curious. Worse thing that could happen being too low, is my CZ semi-auto wont cycle.

I'm thinking, 7 [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] and [email protected] . I'll warm up the firearm with some factory ammo before I start sending mine.
My schedule would be, 2 rounds of each load, followed by 3 rnds of grouping, then the last 2 as summary and final chronos.

As an aside, can anyone recommend a good chrono? up to $500. I like the radar ones, not keen on shooting between the wires.

I'm using AS50N in the Hi Power - 3.3gn for 115gn and 125gn cast bullets.
APS650 (which replaces AP70N) is going to be slower so I would expect you'll need more of it, in the 4gn to 5gn window.

I'm on my third ProChrono, they do everything I need from a chrono, more actually as you can connect your phone to it, which I've never tried. Never used the stick things. I just tilt it so the sensors are facing the light source (the sun) and shoot across the top of the sensors. If you need readings in poor light or night time then you'll need to set up some torches to create the shadows of the bullets. It can take a minute to get set up when you want to record speeds while also printing groups on paper. I can't imagine what it would take to get me to spend $600 or more on a chronograph, that's crazy money

I've done no precision testing of loads in any of my pistols yet, other than testing groups with different blackpowder charges in the 1858's. But I need to spend time very soon making a precision load with wadcutters in the Model 19, and do some accuracy load testing with the Hi Power and the better of the pair of Pietta .44-40's. Les at HRBC is doing me a batch of 240gn .44Mag semi-wadcutter bullets sized to .428" for testing. I'm shooting class 4 ISSF matches with the .44-40's for the attendances as we don't shoot Cowboy at my principal club.

[fnq22]

All I could get when looking up here was the fast burning APS350..

Went to the range yesterday with 2.6, 2.8, 3.0, and 3.2 gn with 125 Black widow RN projectiles..none cycled through the Canik Rival s except a couple of the 3.2 and a couple more half cycled and jammed whilst being extracted..

The trouble is looking at the ADI website with the 4 listed 125gn projectiles on there around the 3.2gn is the max load...

I had some factory loads of Ammo inc 115gn at 1330fp/s firing them intermittantly to compare recoil and the factory loads were significantly heavier then all my handloads..

Should I keep upping the at .2gn increments till I get reliable cycling without any over-pressure signs or try a slower burning powder or maybe get a lighter spring (canik only has 500 rounds through it so far also)...

Sorry to cut in on an existing thread but it seems we are all trying to figure out the ADI powders and Any advice would be appreciated..

BTW have you used this powder larry(bladeracer) with all the reloading you do..?Another fella I know has moved over to 650 with the 9mm because he says it will better give him the power factor needed for IPSC...I dont care that much at this stage ..I just need it to cycle the gun for club matchs.

[bladeracer]

I haven't used any of the APS-series powders as I'm still using the AS/AP stuff. APS450 equates to AS50N, which is what I'm using in .38 Special and 9mm. APS350 equates to AS30N, which I have but I haven't tried it in 9mm. I was given a near-empty bottle of AS30N though so I could maybe test it. I think the only 125gn cast bullets I have here are are .358" which I have to seat at .955" to run in the 9mm, which would skew the data a lot. But I could load some 115gn bullets.

I would try a slower powder but if I already had a kilo of APS350, and nothing else to use it in, I would just use it up first.

I may be able to bludge a bit of APS350 from a club member for some testing.

AS30N was sold in the US as Hodgdon Clays so you could look for Clays data. I haven't seen the APS-series showing up in the US yet so don't know what they'll be calling them.

A quick search brought up a thread here where 3.2gn of AS30N ran fine for two shooters with 115gn bullets.
https://enoughgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14868

This is Hodgdon's Clays data:

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They go up to 4.1gn for the Gold Dot 115gn so I would just increase the load further. Do you have a chronograph? Did you actually chrongraph that 115gn factory ammo at 1330fps in a pistol? That would be a PF of 153!
This is their Plus-P data, which would be over 130PF so would be pretty hot stuff:

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However, this early test of the new APS350 found that 2.9gn ran just fine with 125gn bullets (cast and jacketed). This was 2018 though, before the 2019 problems appeared - they may have changed the formula before APS350 was re-released last year.
https://www.adiworldclass.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/17-2019-australian-new-zealand-handgun-new-propellants-from-australian-munitions.pdf

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I can't find a current MSDS for the APS-series, though there is a 2019 one online. No idea if it relates to what is currently on the market though.

All I could get when looking up here was the fast burning APS350..

Went to the range yesterday with 2.6, 2.8, 3.0, and 3.2 gn with 125 Black widow RN projectiles..none cycled through the Canik Rival s except a couple of the 3.2 and a couple more half cycled and jammed whilst being extracted..

The trouble is looking at the ADI website with the 4 listed 125gn projectiles on there around the 3.2gn is the max load...

I had some factory loads of Ammo inc 115gn at 1330fp/s firing them intermittantly to compare recoil and the factory loads were significantly heavier then all my handloads..

Should I keep upping the at .2gn increments till I get reliable cycling without any over-pressure signs or try a slower burning powder or maybe get a lighter spring (canik only has 500 rounds through it so far also)...

Sorry to cut in on an existing thread but it seems we are all trying to figure out the ADI powders and Any advice would be appreciated..

BTW have you used this powder larry(bladeracer) with all the reloading you do..?Another fella I know has moved over to 650 with the 9mm because he says it will better give him the power factor needed for IPSC...I dont care that much at this stage ..I just need it to cycle the gun for club matchs.

[fnq22]

Geez mate thanks for the detailed reply...yeah on that link to the other thread my loads are quite similar being 3.2gn and 1.129 length (only because the factory ammo I'm shooting is cycling fine) but I feel its not far from cycling properly at that load...

A chrono sure would be nice and just looking up the muzzle energy of this stuff i have...its 451 ft/lbs...I see the average of a couple of other "standard" velocity brands (1150 plus or minus ft/s) is in the 330 ft/lbs range...Maybe thats why this ammo has been discontinued..lol...

I feel better anyway now as i still shot well with it particularly still fast on steel but a little slow shooting doubles on paper...At the start I felt like i was being a bit of a sook as I didnt see the same amount of muzzle flip from the other guys shooting with their bare minimum handloads...still got 2.5k rounds of this ammo to get through as well..


https://www.alquistarms.com/ammo-inc-9m ... -50rd-box/

So its a pretty "hot load" but I see no visible signs of pressure on the casing or primer so I think I'll take your advice on upping the handloads and go up another .2gns to 3.4 and I should be getting close to cycling I reckon...will let you know how i get on...thanks again..

[bladeracer]

No worries. A mate has given me a small amount of APS350 tonight to test so I'll try to find time to load some 3.2gn rounds and see if they cycle the Hi Power, and what velocity they make. I'm loading at 1.090" with the 115gn bullet, .40-thou deeper than you so I would be making more pressure. If you seat yours down to 1.090" you'd be getting more pressure out of your 3.2gn loads.

The powder he's given me is quite grey and closer to a ball powder than a flake like the AS30N. I hope he's given me the right stuff, is this what yours looks like?

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Geez mate thanks for the detailed reply...yeah on that link to the other thread my loads are quite similar being 3.2gn and 1.129 length (only because the factory ammo I'm shooting is cycling fine) but I feel its not far from cycling properly at that load...

A chrono sure would be nice and just looking up the muzzle energy of this stuff i have...its 451 ft/lbs...I see the average of a couple of other "standard" velocity brands (1150 plus or minus ft/s) is in the 330 ft/lbs range...Maybe thats why this ammo has been discontinued..lol...

I feel better anyway now as i still shot well with it particularly still fast on steel but a little slow shooting doubles on paper...At the start I felt like i was being a bit of a sook as I didnt see the same amount of muzzle flip from the other guys shooting with their bare minimum handloads...still got 2.5k rounds of this ammo to get through as well..


https://www.alquistarms.com/ammo-inc-9m ... -50rd-box/

So its a pretty "hot load" but I see no visible signs of pressure on the casing or primer so I think I'll take your advice on upping the handloads and go up another .2gns to 3.4 and I should be getting close to cycling I reckon...will let you know how i get on...thanks again..

[bladeracer]

...my loads are quite similar being 3.2gn and 1.129 length (only because the factory ammo I'm shooting is cycling fine)

What is the length of the 125gn bullet you are loading at 1.129"?
I doubt I can chamber anything loaded that long in the Hi Power, but I might be able to load a .358" 125gn bullet to the same case volume you're loading to and get a velocity from the Chiappa chamber adapter.

I've got 124gn FMJ and Berry's .358" Copper-Plated flat-point bullets that I just sized to .356", and the HRBC 115gn cast RN.
My brass is mostly mixed but I've pulled out some S&B once-fired brass for consistency.

[bladeracer]

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Got some loads to test tomorrow.
115gn HRBC cast RN at 1.100"
125gn Berry's Copper-Plated flat-nose .358" pushed through the .356" die at 1.080"
124gn Winchester FMJ at 1.129" and 1.100"
The FMJ has such a long ogive that I can actually seat it right out to 1.268" in the Hi Power.
All on 3.2gn of APS350.

I'll be on the bike tomorrow but I should be able to fit the chronograph in somewhere.

[deye243]

Br where did you get the Berry's Copper-Plated flat-nose reason I ask Darren down in South Australia is not doing boss component bullets anymore

[fnq22]

bullet length is .600..your powder looks the same as my 350

I only chose the length of the rounds because its the length of the factory ammo which has cycled faultless-ly..

I'll take your advice though and seat them slightly deeper tomorrow with some 3.4 loads and see what happens..

I might look around and get some 115 projectiles to try as well..honestly didnt think I'd actually enjoy the handloading side of things this much..Though I really should get a chronograph at some stage soon though.it would be even better if we had a range that was open on weekdays as well....but then again I'd probably end up divorced if I shot even half as much as you do...

[bladeracer]

Br where did you get the Berry's Copper-Plated flat-nose reason I ask Darren down in South Australia is not doing boss component bullets anymore

Cleaver had a deal on them a few years ago so I bought heaps (the plastic boxes are great too), as well as the CP HP ones and their Hardcast 158gn bullets. I like Berry's as they shoot very well for me in everything, but I'm using HRBC now, got another 30kg arriving from Les this week. Early last year I was ordering 5000 Berry's from Cleaver but they were stuck en-route for weeks, so they offered me a great price on Boyne Bullets, of which I still have a couple thousand left for the .38's for Cowboy. But I need a wadcutter now for ISSF matches, so Les has done me a batch, as well as some 240gn .44Mag semi-wads sized down to .428" for the .44-40's for ISSF Classic Pistol matches.

[bladeracer]

bullet length is .600..your powder looks the same as my 350

I only chose the length of the rounds because its the length of the factory ammo which has cycled faultless-ly..

I'll take your advice though and seat them slightly deeper tomorrow with some 3.4 loads and see what happens..

I might look around and get some 115 projectiles to try as well..honestly didn't think I'd actually enjoy the handloading side of things this much..Though I really should get a chronograph at some stage soon though.it would be even better if we had a range that was open on weekdays as well....but then again I'd probably end up divorced if I shot even half as much as you do...

I rang him today and he confirmed it was definitely APS350 I think I like it as it's not very dense - 3.2gn more than half fills the case (the S&B brass holds 6.2gn level to the top), so a double-load should be obvious from the spilled powder during loading. I'll have to get some more and do some testing with it, it might work well with the 100gn wadcutter .38's.

I figured your 125gn bullet would be fairly similar in shape to the 124gn FMJ (which is .592"), so seating them at 1.129" gives me the same combustion chamber volume as you, but pressure won't be the same, because jacketed versus cast. If you want I can still load some 125gn .358" FPRN's to give the same case volume, but they'll be way too long for the Hi Power. I didn't measure how far out I can seat them in the Chiappa adapter but I could cut a groove around the bullets to stop them digging into the rifling if it's a problem (which would also allow me to shoot them in the Hi Power barrel).

I would load ten rounds with the 3.2gn but seated at 1.100" or so, and manually run them through the pistol to ensure they feed okay, then shoot them. If it's still not cycling reliably then up it to 3.4gn.

I've found the chrono much more useful for pistol loads than for rifle loads. It's handy to know how fast they're moving, and for comparing with other loads. In pistols the velocity is more important to know, for Power Factor reasons at least.

I'm in a bit of trouble over the 25.8 blood lead level already
Tomorrow is 42 days into the year. Including tomorrow, I've attended pistol clubs 18 times, shot 14 Class 1 (air pistol) matches, 12 Class 2 (Rimfire) matches, 3 Class 3 (Centrefire up to .38) and 3 Class 4 (Centrefire .38-.45) matches, plus 17 Training Shoots - 3563rds not including what I fire tomorrow (probably around 250rds). I'm having issues with the air pistol so I'm trying to shoot a match with it every time I go in. Probably averaging around 90rds per day so far. I've only loaded 793rds this year, but I've got to do a few hundred .44-40's tomorrow for the weekend, and a lot more when these bullets arrive.

Those .22's that blew up on me on Saturday tattooed black stuff into my trigger finger which has almost disappeared now, but I expect that will screw up my lead level a bit. My doc wants me to shoot the four-day Cowboy state titles (in four weeks) before I do the next lead test - I guess I'll have to shoot it in full Cowboy hazmat gear

I'm fed up having to drive to all these matches (18,000km last year just attending pistol matches) so I bought a bike last week. After twelve years away I need to get used to it again, but I'm enjoying it. Still trying to work out how I'll get all my Cowboy gear onboard.

[Wapiti]

Mate if you're concerned about lead levels which blood tests confirm, maybe you should get some thin disposable gloves?
Yeah they're a pain and you need to get used to the changed dexterity feel, but you should do what you can health-wise.

The particles in your finger would most likely be powder, because the gas is pushing the lead projectile forward in the main. At any rate even if they are lead, from my personal experience, multiple reasonably large broken up lead pieces inside your body does not raise your blood lead level as I explained before why, I didn't really believe the surgeon at first who said that, but I do now from basically quarterly blood tests for years now. He said getting all the bits out would be way worse and be like dicing your body up to do it.

The other thing is being downwind from multiple shooters discharging shots, powder and lead is ejected in clouds from the muzzles, especially from the uncoated lead insisted to be used on ranges. The back of the projectiles gets the surfaces basically turned into gas from the enormous heat from even those tiny loads of fast burning powder. And drifts all over everyone and everything, even to be disturbed later and breathed into your lungs which is the worst possible outcome.
Does any shooters wear P3 masks?
From what you say your lead levels are really concerning, and whatever you're doing could cause a result that would be an absolutely catastrophic way to end.
If any normal "workplace" exposed people to those levels, they would not be able to operate.

[bladeracer]

My doc gave me a few pairs of his surgical gloves, and they are better for feel than the black nitriles I've got. I don't think that touching lead, or having the residue landing on my hands is a major issue. I'm washing my hands several times during the shoots, especially after picking up the brass, and I don't have any food on the range. I don't think gloves will help much as I'm washing the lead off soon after it is deposited.

My doc is concerned about the amount of reloading, which I'm doing part of every day, but I doubt it's an issue. The bullets are painted so I doubt much if any lead is coming off from the small amount of handling - I ran 500 bullets through the sizing die yesterday and they're still completely painted, no lead came through. I think the major exposure is the particulate, and it falling into my mustache and beard, where it stays for some hours, and from collecting up the fired brass. And obviously the surfaces within the range probably carry particulate, especially the carpets we use on the benches. But washing our hands afterward, and not eating off the benches should be sufficient protection from that I think.

I think the black stuff was primarily powder residue, but my understanding is that it is contaminated with lead from the bullet and the primer?

I think it got way hotter in the shed after we replaced the old mouldy sheets of Lazerlite last year. There is normally no wind in there, and most of my shooting is on my own, or one or two mates. A couple months ago one of the guys bought an industrial fan due to the heat, It's deafening but is at the other end of the range from my preferred shooting bays. And the occasions where we do have a full line-up, it's only a few times we have the fan going, which might bring more of the particulate down to my end of the range. I wonder if mounting a pedestal fan above and behind my head might blow the particulate forward and away from my face when I fire. Perhaps a thermal camera might be able to show the gas cloud during firing, I'll have to play with that.

I'll keep washing my hands and see what the next test tells us. It's possible the first test was skewed, by particulate on my skin or clothing perhaps. If it's still high, he's talking about dialysis to filter it out of my blood, which I'd rather not go through. The beard may have to go I guess, it's only two and a half years old.

Mate if you're concerned about lead levels which blood tests confirm, maybe you should get some thin disposable gloves?
Yeah they're a pain and you need to get used to the changed dexterity feel, but you should do what you can health-wise.

The particles in your finger would most likely be powder, because the gas is pushing the lead projectile forward in the main. At any rate even if they are lead, from my personal experience, multiple reasonably large broken up lead pieces inside your body does not raise your blood lead level as I explained before why, I didn't really believe the surgeon at first who said that, but I do now from basically quarterly blood tests for years now. He said getting all the bits out would be way worse and be like dicing your body up to do it.

The other thing is being downwind from multiple shooters discharging shots, powder and lead is ejected in clouds from the muzzles, especially from the uncoated lead insisted to be used on ranges. The back of the projectiles gets the surfaces basically turned into gas from the enormous heat from even those tiny loads of fast burning powder. And drifts all over everyone and everything, even to be disturbed later and breathed into your lungs which is the worst possible outcome.
Does any shooters wear P3 masks?
From what you say your lead levels are really concerning, and whatever you're doing could cause a result that would be an absolutely catastrophic way to end.
If any normal "workplace" exposed people to those levels, they would not be able to operate.

[Wapiti]

Geeze mate, I'm concerned for you.
It must be the airborne particles then? At any rate, look after yourself.
Regarding the beard, if you fitted a P# disposable mask pretty well, you wouldn't need to shave it off.
We did a heap of testing once in a workshop contaminated with metal and grinding dust, using two heads on a stick fitted with P3 masks with valves (to make exhaling easier). They had a tiny air pump fitted, to pull air though the masks medium and simulate breathing. Inside was a separate filter disc that we had tested in a proper lab for contaminants. We found that proper brands did in fact pull out the heavy metals, and the beards were no impediment to the results if we took the time to fit them snuggly, unlike what we'd heard from the usual urban myths and scuttlebutt.
The key was taking the time to make sure it fitted well, that was it really, as is always the case.

You don't want to give up shooting, no way I would either, but you have to take care of yourself.

[bladeracer]

Geeze mate, I'm concerned for you.
It must be the airborne particles then? At any rate, look after yourself.
Regarding the beard, if you fitted a P# disposable mask pretty well, you wouldn't need to shave it off.
We did a heap of testing once in a workshop contaminated with metal and grinding dust, using two heads on a stick fitted with P3 masks with valves (to make exhaling easier). They had a tiny air pump fitted, to pull air though the masks medium and simulate breathing. Inside was a separate filter disc that we had tested in a proper lab for contaminants. We found that proper brands did in fact pull out the heavy metals, and the beards were no impediment to the results if we took the time to fit them snuggly, unlike what we'd heard from the usual urban myths and scuttlebutt.
The key was taking the time to make sure it fitted well, that was it really, as is always the case.

You don't want to give up shooting, no way I would either, but you have to take care of yourself.

At the moment, as with developing an accurate load, we only have the one data point to work from
After the second test, if it's still high, then I'll be more concerned.

[bladeracer]

Okay, everything ran perfectly.
Virtually no difference between the seating depth on the FMJ load, except possibly a little more consistency seated deeper:
5rds 124gn FMJ 1.129"
955fps ES36 SD 12

5rds 124gn FMJ 1.100"
948fps ES12 SD4

10rds 125gn Berry's CPFP 1.080"
940fps ES25 SD7

10rds 115gn HRBC 1.100"
1015fps ES41 SD12

The 115gn was faster due to the lighter bullets. All loads dumped the brass at 4-o'clock about 1.5m from my right foot, except the Berry's which was at 5-o'clock and 2m away - no idea why. No indications of any pressure on the brass, these are not heavy loads at all. Didn't lose any brass either

I don't know why your pistol won't cycle your 3.2gn load. If you bought it secondhand could somebody have put a heavier recoil spring in it perhaps?

The 115gn load was lovely to shoot so I think I'll get some APS350 and do more resting with it. All the shots seemed a little smokier than I'm used to but not too bad.

[Finniss]

Hi Blade, I listened to a few podcasts a while back re lead levels. Mostly about eating shot game. But they briefly mentioned studies showing it being primers causing most contamination and reloaders having the most exposure. In one study they compared the factory ammo target shooters to the reloaders at the same club. Reloaders had a lot higher levels. Seems obvious they would but it being spent primers not handling projectiles was the twist for me.

I'll do some searching through my podcast history when I knock off work tonight or I spose google might find em.

Hunt Backcountry podcast 503 was one of them.

Handkerchief over the face for cowboy action wouldn't be out of place..

Oh, I think these studies where conducted as a defence to lead projectile bans for hunting so potentially a little bias.

[bladeracer]

Hi Blade, I listened to a few podcasts a while back re lead levels. Mostly about eating shot game. But they briefly mentioned studies showing it being primers causing most contamination and reloaders having the most exposure. In one study they compared the factory ammo target shooters to the reloaders at the same club. Reloaders had a lot higher levels. Seems obvious they would but it being spent primers not handling projectiles was the twist for me.

I'll do some searching through my podcast history when I knock off work tonight or I spose google might find em.

Hunt Backcountry podcast 503 was one of them.

Handkerchief over the face for cowboy action wouldn't be out of place..

Oh, I think these studies where conducted as a defence to lead projectile bans for hunting so potentially a little bias.

Yep, I think the primer compounds are the bigger issue. I think a lot of the residue left in the brass contains lead. As I also collect my .22LR brass I handle a lot of freshly-fired brass - I have around 80,000 .22LR cases I'm trying to come up with ideas for

Good point about the bandana, I might try that