different approach to livestock

[bigrich]

thought i'd post this link , thought it interesting . i know four fifths of f@ck all about running stock , but i've seen people trying to run cattle in particular, in country that's better suited to goats and sheep . i think our market and public perceptions of meat types should change to suit our country .
i've been told , , wallaby tastes like venison with a slight grassy taste . no real work in helping wallaby numbers get up for consumption . and no , roo tastes different , stronger and gamier . anyway , some food for thought

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... ocialshare

[Wapiti]

I'd certainly like to have someone explain to me that where I run cattle successfully, I'm doing the wrong thing.
When I first bought here over 20 years ago now, the people all ran sheep, and considered me crazy... "this country is no good for cattle"
Because they ran sheep cos daddy did it, and they know nothing different.
My cattle consistently get the top prices at our local saleyards, and we also run a stud. Our selected breed is supposedly no good here, better suited to the north od Aus, but in reality that makes it better here too. "look at this clown, he can't run cattle in sheep country"

I look now, at this dry spell we've been having, at the local sheep places stripped bare from these animals, and yep, the internet is full of bullsh*t artists and people quoting crap. Whereas cattle do not strip the grasses out of the ground.

Everybody has an axe to grind, and the worst of them spread the most misinformation.

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[bigrich]

I'd certainly like to have someone explain to me that where I run cattle successfully, I'm doing the wrong thing.
When I first bought here over 20 years ago now, the people all ran sheep, and considered me crazy... "this country is no good for cattle"
Because they ran sheep cos daddy did it, and they know nothing different.
My cattle consistently get the top prices at our local saleyards, and we also run a stud. Our selected breed is supposedly no good here, better suited to the north od Aus, but in reality that makes it better here too. "look at this clown, he can't run cattle in sheep country"

I look now, at this dry spell we've been having, at the local sheep places stripped bare from these animals, and yep, the internet is full of bullsh*t artists and people quoting crap. Whereas cattle do not strip the grasses out of the ground.

Everybody has an axe to grind, and the worst of them spread the most misinformation.

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if your successfully running cattle in your part of the country, great . i've seen a few properties where they don't get on so good . the main idea of my thinking was running the type of stock that suits the part of the country your in. what breed of cattle are you running ? like i said , i'm no expert , let alone even a novice on such things . thought i'd raise the topic to get opinions , have a discussion , and maybe learn something

found another tit bit of stock management

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... ocialshare

[Die Judicii]

What your saying Rich certainly has some merit.
Just because a certain area area may be considered "gold" bearing country doesn't mean you will find gold.

The soils/country change sometimes quite dramatically in a certain area, and then change again, sometimes in as little as a kilometer or so,
and therefore stands to reason that whatever animals frequent certain spots more so than others, are likely to reflect those changes in the meat characteristics.

And,,, as to what Wapiti was hinting at,,,,,,, Just look back in history in the US of A,, where many arguements and indeed almost "civil war" erupted when certain parties decided to introduce, and run, sheep instead of the customary cattle.

[bigrich]

What your saying Rich certainly has some merit.
Just because a certain area area may be considered "gold" bearing country doesn't mean you will find gold.

The soils/country change sometimes quite dramatically in a certain area, and then change again, sometimes in as little as a kilometer or so,
and therefore stands to reason that whatever animals frequent certain spots more so than others, are likely to reflect those changes in the meat characteristics.

And,,, as to what Wapiti was hinting at,,,,,,, Just look back in history in the US of A,, where many arguements and indeed almost "civil war" erupted when certain parties decided to introduce, and run, sheep instead of the customary cattle.

hey mate , i've been talking to folks running cattle/sheep , and sometimes their telling me certain country isn't good for cattle , not enough protein in the graze , even though it might be green and look good, wrong type of grass in some circumstances . which got me thinking that grazing different types of stock to suit the harsh australian environment might have merit . suppose there's got to be a profitable market for alternate meat sources i guess . just thought i'd pose the question and see if i could learn something i know goats don't need much care , they seem to breed up with no help . shot and ate plenty of nanny's over the years wallaby is surprising , bin told back in the day a lot of settlers ate 'em cause they were free and breeding up cattle and sheep was for profit rather than eating. i also know the taste of rabbit varies to the country . rabbit from up on MT Makenzie out back of tenterfield were tasty , others from drier country areas didn't taste so good

[Die Judicii]

hey mate , i've been talking to folks running cattle/sheep , and sometimes their telling me certain country isn't good for cattle , not enough protein in the graze , even though it might be green and look good, wrong type of grass in some circumstances . which got me thinking that grazing different types of stock to suit the harsh australian environment might have merit . suppose there's got to be a profitable market for alternate meat sources i guess . just thought i'd pose the question and see if i could learn something i know goats don't need much care , they seem to breed up with no help . shot and ate plenty of nanny's over the years wallaby is surprising , bin told back in the day a lot of settlers ate 'em cause they were free and breeding up cattle and sheep was for profit rather than eating. i also know the taste of rabbit varies to the country . rabbit from up on MT Makenzie out back of tenterfield were tasty , others from drier country areas didn't taste so good

Yep for sure,
Down South,, cattle that have been grazing on p!ss poor pasture full of Dandelions (Cape Weed) can have the meat tainted by it,, and especially in the milk.
If you reckon that fluoride can make the taste of water untenable,,, try the cape weed taste in the milk.

[Blr243]

I hunt some farming land that’s considered amongst the best in Australia but I rarely see any grass in the bush paddocks where the cattle are . It’s all like prickly acacia briar bushes thorns galvanised burr and noogoora . Horrible looking vegetation but somehow the cattle look fine. I don’t get it

[SomeoneElse]

If you reckon that fluoride can make the taste of water untenable,,, try the cape weed taste in the milk.

I'll see your cape weed milk, and raise (or lower?) you and onion weed milk. Tangy as can be, with a green tinge to boot.

Someone Else.

[Wapiti]

I edited this post and took out most of what I wrote just now.

I'm not going to tell anybody what they can and cannot do, run on their joint, whatever.
I'm just over people talking bullsh*t, especially other farmers who "I do it because my Dad did it", run a certain thing and then berate everyone else for their choices. They don't do it, so the typical response when someone succeeds at what they hang sh*t on is to double down.
Because it hurts to see others succeed for some of these people.

I'm no expert, I came here knowing nothing 20 years ago and was hungry for info from everyone. I did some research and made up my own mind and went from there. What I do may not work for the kind of people who say everything they don't do cannot be done by anyone else.

What's a real shame is, that people read bullsh*t that "someone else said" and actually believe them, and spread the crap, so others never have a go and succeed.