Akdas Alcor pb223

[Harrison S]

So far only offered in a 223 with timber stock... raved about by the limited number of people I've heard from that own them... is this rifle everything it's cracked up to be??.. is it the platform we want to see 308s & 243s coming out in also?

[Wapiti]

There was supposed to be a Chimera in 308 coming out, been causing developmental trouble for awhile in Turkestan apparently.
With Aust Sporting Agencies getting such a financial stab in the back from Mini Minns and who-knows-whats-in-store in the coming Vic and SA elections... I certainly wouldn't be moving yet just for Qld buyers.
Can NT shooters get PB guns?

On the Alcor, I've threaded barrels on two of them now (the ones I saw didn't come with threads 1/2x28tpi) and they are used by mates primarily in fodder crops along the Mole River for wallabies. We all reckon they suffer from the short barrel syndrome. So I've used them but just sighting them in after reassembling them. They shoot reasonably well, they don't seem to have the finer accuracy of an AR style system, probably just the makers tolerances.
I see they were adapted to button release from semi-auto versions available in Canada and US in states where ARs are frowned on
If there's a 308 version, I'd certainly not climb over anyone to be the first run of buyers. Could do without the stress of the Chimera 223 owners out this way.
I'd wait, although I am very interested.

[Harrison S]

What are your opinions on the Alcor 223 vs the Chimera 223?... I believe they are both made in the same country.....similar quality???... I tend to lean towards the Alcor, simply because it's more my style of rifle . I dont believe the Chimera comes in timer, at least not that I've ever seen

[Die Judicii]

I've not owned either Alcor or Chimera, but have looked at em via the net.
They are cheap, and that's as far as this little black duck will go.

I did hear somewhere along the trap line of one particular rifle (can't remember which one of those two brands) that unexpectedly went full auto.
It was returned to whence it came, was worked on, sent back, and reportedly did it again.
Haven't heard any more since, and have not heard of any others that have had that problem.

I bought a brand new Verney Carron Speedline in 308 (not cheap) and sold it flat out like a lizard drinking.
They might be real good,, but if you ever need to dismantle them they are a nightmare.
Sold it without even firing a shot.

I'm currently thinking about getting a Eureka lever release in 223.
Another member on here has got one, and loves it.
If he sees this post he may well chip in with first hand experience.

[Wapiti]

What are your opinions on the Alcor 223 vs the Chimera 223?... I believe they are both made in the same country.....similar quality???... I tend to lean towards the Alcor, simply because it's more my style of rifle . I dont believe the Chimera comes in timer, at least not that I've ever seen

They are basically the same thing, different brands and different guns, same idea.
What I don't like about the Chimera I fired was that if I tried to be fast, I'd get the hammer to follow the bolt and not fire the next round.

If I used the rifle like a semi auto I have, fire the shot and follow-through with the trigger by holding it back until the shot's gone, then relied on the reset to hold the hammer back, this made the rifle uncock in the Chimera.
hard to explain, but if I followed through with the trigger, then thumbed the forend release to chamber another round while I still had the trigger back, it uncocked itself and I'd have to jack the live round out of the de-cocked rifle and rechamber another one.
This seems to be a cheap, engineeringly-amateur way of ensuring the firearm cannot be made a semi-auto by removing the disconnector.
To me, that's unforgiveable.

I saw a video made by the creators of the Eureka, and they are doing exactly the same thing, leaving the disconnector (that stops the hammer following the bolt home) out, so it's impossible without a complete professional trigger group to make it into a semi auto. Crap amateurish design.

They also reckon their system is an improvement of the bolt/spring set-up of an AR-180 or AAA-SAR design, it's not. Yeah the bolt doesn't need the AR-style long spring/buffer running back into the buffer tube, which doesn't allow a folding buttstock. Big deal. It uses the same spring design as the SAR, yet they say it's revolutionary. FFS, do they think we have all never seen these superior firearms before?
Their design is not an improvement at all, it's amateur and cheap IMHO.
Sometimes, designers trying to get around laws come up with a design that nobody has thought up before, and is actually a great innovative design. In the Eureka, it's actually a shortcut and inferior. If something is made here, it should be superior in quality and design.

[bladeracer]

I did hear somewhere along the trap line of one particular rifle (can't remember which one of those two brands) that unexpectedly went full auto. It was returned to whence it came, was worked on, sent back, and reportedly did it again. Haven't heard any more since, and have not heard of any others that have had that problem.

It was the Chimera, and it's the only one I've heard of. It's very likely that if somebody else has one that does this they might keep quiet abut it so we probably won't hear about it until videos become viral, or a nasty accident.

[Harrison S]

Definitely a lot of thinking material

[Wapiti]

I don't believe it. There is no disconnector and when the hammer rides the bolt closed, it can't slam fire because the firing pin only can touch the hammer at the completely locked position. The hook on the hammer that grabs the sear is huge too, if that was inadvertently slipping when the bolt slammed shut, maybe, but it would have to have been a very poor example and basically be unfixable unless new parts were installed.

[bladeracer]

I don't believe it. There is no disconnector and when the hammer rides the bolt closed, it can't slam fire because the firing pin only can touch the hammer at the completely locked position. The hook on the hammer that grabs the sear is huge too, if that was inadvertently slipping when the bolt slammed shut, maybe, but it would have to have been a very poor example and basically be unfixable unless new parts were installed.

The PB223 can definitely slam-fire, my mate has a bag of rounds with good indents in the primers from the floating firing pin. I don't think the full-auto is due to slam-firing though. He offered to bring it out to my place to show me and I told him I definitely did not want that firearm on my property.

[Harrison S]

Is the story much the same with lever release actions?

[bladeracer]

Is the story much the same with lever release actions?

I have used a few of them, the PB223 is the only one I'm aware of with this fault. I personally find the lever-release systems less than ergonomic, the PB system is excellent if you want speed without loss of your sight picture. I would try to have a play with anything you like before actually buying one.