An update on NSW PTA wait times

[Flavius Maximus]

After bondi, as many of you will know, there's been an influx of new licence & PTA applications. Because they hate guns so much, the government has doubled down on manual processing. I gave the registry a buzz as it's been a month since applying for a Rimfire PTA to get a bunny gun, & it's still listed as "referred for adjudication". The operator told me the average wait time is 60 days, so you best be hoping you don't need another rifle any time soon.
This may affect me getting another centrefire or a flintlock, as i was thinking of trading in the Smelly for a lever gun, but flintlocks are made of unobtanium, & since i plan to go overseas in October, it might not be worth it.
Thoughts?

[Bugman]

After bondi, as many of you will know, there's been an influx of new licence & PTA applications. Because they hate guns so much, the government has doubled down on manual processing. I gave the registry a buzz as it's been a month since applying for a Rimfire PTA to get a bunny gun, & it's still listed as "referred for adjudication". The operator told me the average wait time is 60 days, so you best be hoping you don't need another rifle any time soon.
This may affect me getting another centrefire or a flintlock, as i was thinking of trading in the Smelly for a lever gun, but flintlocks are made of unobtanium, & since i plan to go overseas in October, it might not be worth it.
Thoughts?

I and no doubt others, share your frustration as I am in your position also. I understood that FAR had acquired "extra staff". If that was the case, then why so slow? When they had to manually process PTA's some time back, I think from memory, it took roughly 28-36 days for some of the processing. Now, what are the "extra staff" doing?
By the way, those of you who ring FAR, don't forget that the person you speak to is human too. Be polite, as this costs nothing.
I knew of someone who worked there a while back and all they wanted was to help where possible and be spoken to as you would like to be spoken to. In other words, don't shoot the messenger.

[Flavius Maximus]

After bondi, as many of you will know, there's been an influx of new licence & PTA applications. Because they hate guns so much, the government has doubled down on manual processing. I gave the registry a buzz as it's been a month since applying for a Rimfire PTA to get a bunny gun, & it's still listed as "referred for adjudication". The operator told me the average wait time is 60 days, so you best be hoping you don't need another rifle any time soon.
This may affect me getting another centrefire or a flintlock, as i was thinking of trading in the Smelly for a lever gun, but flintlocks are made of unobtanium, & since i plan to go overseas in October, it might not be worth it.
Thoughts?

I and no doubt others, share your frustration as I am in your position also. I understood that FAR had acquired "extra staff". If that was the case, then why so slow? When they had to manually process PTA's some time back, I think from memory, it took roughly 28-36 days for some of the processing. Now, what are the "extra staff" doing?
By the way, those of you who ring FAR, don't forget that the person you speak to is human too. Be polite, as this costs nothing.
I knew of someone who worked there a while back and all they wanted was to help where possible and be spoken to as you would like to be spoken to. In other words, don't shoot the messenger.

I agree. Abusing them may in fact lead to your license being cancelled & you guns taken off you. Just get your info as soon as you can, & have your little rant once you hang up. But, i often find these operators to be lovely

[Fester]

After bondi, as many of you will know, there's been an influx of new licence & PTA applications. Because they hate guns so much, the government has doubled down on manual processing. I gave the registry a buzz as it's been a month since applying for a Rimfire PTA to get a bunny gun, & it's still listed as "referred for adjudication". The operator told me the average wait time is 60 days, so you best be hoping you don't need another rifle any time soon.
This may affect me getting another centrefire or a flintlock, as i was thinking of trading in the Smelly for a lever gun, but flintlocks are made of unobtanium, & since i plan to go overseas in October, it might not be worth it.
Thoughts?

I and no doubt others, share your frustration as I am in your position also. I understood that FAR had acquired "extra staff". If that was the case, then why so slow? When they had to manually process PTA's some time back, I think from memory, it took roughly 28-36 days for some of the processing. Now, what are the "extra staff" doing?
By the way, those of you who ring FAR, don't forget that the person you speak to is human too. Be polite, as this costs nothing.
I knew of someone who worked there a while back and all they wanted was to help where possible and be spoken to as you would like to be spoken to. In other words, don't shoot the messenger.

You have to remember that they can't be trusted, despite how nice the phone operators seem.

A few short years back, new license applications were taking a year or more; how could staff shortages cause that sort of time delay.
My theory is it was to have lots of them give up and not start shooting.
Funny how they fixed it after Borsak put the pressure on.
I suspect this current one was controlled at 2 months because they knew they would face a big backlash, with SFFP arguing the truth about how they could possibly manage these new gun laws if they couldn't even handle some new licences and reasons added.

Another attack was to try and take licenses from anyone who ticked the disability box.
A doctor had to answer their comprehensive list of questions, assuring them you had no mental health issues.
Also assuring them that no physical disability could affect using, handling, or storing firearms in any way.
After many disabled shooters had to fight to get their licenses and guns back, they admitted it and called it a trial.

We were lucky in NSW to have a couple of good SFFP reps in seats, but we will no longer have appeal rights so the bad govt now has the go-ahead to cull licenses.
With their legislation backfiring before they even started writing it, do you expect them not to fight the new license numbers for payback and fear of even more shooters when their aim was to cull LAFOs?

The FAR staff will not be shooters, farmers, or anything like logical country people; it was based on the north NSW coast, where greenies, hippies, antis, drugos, and Byron Bay types live, so who do you think will work there?

[Willie]

After bondi, as many of you will know, there's been an influx of new licence & PTA applications. Because they hate guns so much, the government has doubled down on manual processing. I gave the registry a buzz as it's been a month since applying for a Rimfire PTA to get a bunny gun, & it's still listed as "referred for adjudication". The operator told me the average wait time is 60 days, so you best be hoping you don't need another rifle any time soon.
This may affect me getting another centrefire or a flintlock, as i was thinking of trading in the Smelly for a lever gun, but flintlocks are made of unobtanium, & since i plan to go overseas in October, it might not be worth it.
Thoughts?

I and no doubt others, share your frustration as I am in your position also. I understood that FAR had acquired "extra staff". If that was the case, then why so slow? When they had to manually process PTA's some time back, I think from memory, it took roughly 28-36 days for some of the processing. Now, what are the "extra staff" doing?
By the way, those of you who ring FAR, don't forget that the person you speak to is human too. Be polite, as this costs nothing.
I knew of someone who worked there a while back and all they wanted was to help where possible and be spoken to as you would like to be spoken to. In other words, don't shoot the messenger.

You have to remember that they can't be trusted, despite how nice the phone operators seem.

A few short years back, new license applications were taking a year or more; how could staff shortages cause that sort of time delay.
My theory is it was to have lots of them give up and not start shooting.
Funny how they fixed it after Borsak put the pressure on.
I suspect this current one was controlled at 2 months because they knew they would face a big backlash, with SFFP arguing the truth about how they could possibly manage these new gun laws if they couldn't even handle some new licences and reasons added.

Another attack was to try and take licenses from anyone who ticked the disability box.
A doctor had to answer their comprehensive list of questions, assuring them you had no mental health issues.
Also assuring them that no physical disability could affect using, handling, or storing firearms in any way.
After many disabled shooters had to fight to get their licenses and guns back, they admitted it and called it a trial.

We were lucky in NSW to have a couple of good SFFP reps in seats, but we will no longer have appeal rights so the bad govt now has the go-ahead to cull licenses.
With their legislation backfiring before they even started writing it, do you expect them not to fight the new license numbers for payback and fear of even more shooters when their aim was to cull LAFOs?

The FAR staff will not be shooters, farmers, or anything like logical country people; it was based on the north NSW coast, where greenies, hippies, antis, drugos, and Byron Bay types live, so who do you think will work there?

Having known a few staff members in FAR I can say that some of them ARE keen shooters themselves, and for myself, I trust these people, unlike some people who appear to make scurrilous claims on this forum.

[Wapiti]

I don't see any "scurrilous claims" Willie, I've only ever seen people referring to specific incidences that jusyt don't make sense, or were actually new ways of screwing PTA applications over.
Like the ones last year or so when Qld WL decided themselves, from a city office desk, that you didn't need a certain calibre... why? because they said so.
fester has some good points.

I remember well a really struggling bloke out here in the 2019 drought that was using his 22mag PP Ruger single-six revolver on his AG bike to put down starving sheep. Then, his H renewal came up and they refused him, even though he'd had the licence for 20 years. No changes. Just because he wasn't any good at explaining his case online when told to provide more information "first and last request or license cancelled" - their words in an email, I've had this too.
He had a whinge and the local ABC Toowoomba radio interviewed him on The Country Hour and he had a go at WL for deliberately victimising farmers for not having the gift of the gab, being able to do long PDF word docs to show genuine needs and not say exactly the "right words".
The result? Multiple cars of Bris police including WL representatives and Warwick cops too, at 5am for a raid. He has a CZ 452 with a 5-shot clip in it in the hall, for a fox that he hadn't been able to get that was ripping his chooks. The local cops apologised to him to one side on the quiet, said to him "well you will talk to the ABC radio about this" whilst the bris WL cops tore up his house.
His wife, a nurse at a local country town where my wife was the Emergency doctor, told her exactly what happened, they forced her to sit in the kitchen and not move, or watch what they were doing.
And this hasn't happened just once.

Yeah mate, scurrilous claims. Great, honest blokes.

[Flavius Maximus]

When i made the call i was a bit worried they'd deny me a .22 thanks to being good with bows & arrows. "Oh, you're good at archery? What do you need a gun for? You can just use the bow!" They're known for stupid little things like that. But, so far so good here

[Willie]

I don't see any "scurrilous claims" Willie, I've only ever seen people referring to specific incidences that jusyt don't make sense, or were actually new ways of screwing PTA applications over.
Like the ones last year or so when Qld WL decided themselves, from a city office desk, that you didn't need a certain calibre... why? because they said so.
fester has some good points.

I remember well a really struggling bloke out here in the 2019 drought that was using his 22mag PP Ruger single-six revolver on his AG bike to put down starving sheep. Then, his H renewal came up and they refused him, even though he'd had the licence for 20 years. No changes. Just because he wasn't any good at explaining his case online when told to provide more information "first and last request or license cancelled" - their words in an email, I've had this too.
He had a whinge and the local ABC Toowoomba radio interviewed him on The Country Hour and he had a go at WL for deliberately victimising farmers for not having the gift of the gab, being able to do long PDF word docs to show genuine needs and not say exactly the "right words".
The result? Multiple cars of Bris police including WL representatives and Warwick cops too, at 5am for a raid. He has a CZ 452 with a 5-shot clip in it in the hall, for a fox that he hadn't been able to get that was ripping his chooks. The local cops apologised to him to one side on the quiet, said to him "well you will talk to the ABC radio about this" whilst the bris WL cops tore up his house.
His wife, a nurse at a local country town where my wife was the Emergency doctor, told her exactly what happened, they forced her to sit in the kitchen and not move, or watch what they were doing.
And this hasn't happened just once.

Yeah mate, scurrilous claims. Great, honest blokes.

Are you making up "tall" stories to prove your point?

[Finniss]

[quote="Willie"][quote="Wapiti"]

He has a CZ 452 with a 5-shot clip in it in the hall, for a fox that he hadn't been able to get that was ripping his chooks.

Wapiti, any idea on the outcome of this? Seems like a legitimate reason to have it out to me.

[Wapiti]

I don't see any "scurrilous claims" Willie, I've only ever seen people referring to specific incidences that jusyt don't make sense, or were actually new ways of screwing PTA applications over.
Like the ones last year or so when Qld WL decided themselves, from a city office desk, that you didn't need a certain calibre... why? because they said so.
fester has some good points.

I remember well a really struggling bloke out here in the 2019 drought that was using his 22mag PP Ruger single-six revolver on his AG bike to put down starving sheep. Then, his H renewal came up and they refused him, even though he'd had the licence for 20 years. No changes. Just because he wasn't any good at explaining his case online when told to provide more information "first and last request or license cancelled" - their words in an email, I've had this too.
He had a whinge and the local ABC Toowoomba radio interviewed him on The Country Hour and he had a go at WL for deliberately victimising farmers for not having the gift of the gab, being able to do long PDF word docs to show genuine needs and not say exactly the "right words".
The result? Multiple cars of Bris police including WL representatives and Warwick cops too, at 5am for a raid. He has a CZ 452 with a 5-shot clip in it in the hall, for a fox that he hadn't been able to get that was ripping his chooks. The local cops apologised to him to one side on the quiet, said to him "well you will talk to the ABC radio about this" whilst the bris WL cops tore up his house.
His wife, a nurse at a local country town where my wife was the Emergency doctor, told her exactly what happened, they forced her to sit in the kitchen and not move, or watch what they were doing.
And this hasn't happened just once.

Yeah mate, scurrilous claims. Great, honest blokes.

Are you making up "tall" stories to prove your point?

You being a smart arse?
Maybe a good retort to your disrespect of something you know SFA about would be, maybe you need to get amongst it more and experience what's really going on past your kerbside rubbish collection.

[Wapiti]

He has a CZ 452 with a 5-shot clip in it in the hall, for a fox that he hadn't been able to get that was ripping his chooks.

Wapiti, any idea on the outcome of this? Seems like a legitimate reason to have it out to me.

Finniss, he had a rifle out of the safe, with the bolt and magazine of bullets in it. So they found a breach of the weapons act. And jumped on it, because they weren't out there to sample his wife's biscuits.
He was formally charged, went to a local court here in his closest town, pleaded guilty because he had no defence under the act and was convicted and fined.
Then he was told afterwards that due to having been convicted of an offence under the firearms act, his H licence, just as the start, would not be renewed because he was not a fit and proper person due to breaching the act.
What a coincidence in favour of the "man", eh?

These laws are made to protect the lowest common denominator, the gun owner in the city who should not have guns out unlocked, especially loaded, because they have absolutely no reason to and it's understandably going to lead to tragedies.

People all pay lip-service to farmers and the sh*t they cop from all sides of beaucracy when it suits them, but it's all shallow rubbish. Look at the response to my post above from someone with no idea what goes on in this closed shop, which is 100% true, and happens frequently.

But out where some of us live, we always need to have a firearm out because our "genuine reason" doesn't stop at the little fence around our farmhouses, it exists up to our back door 24hrs of the day and is always when unexpected. But we are not allowed to either, are we.
Some people, who realised that the people who make these laws without realising that circumstances are different for a lot of us, do not care.
Because the seat shinerts who make the laws have no idea what goes on past the concrete gutter out the front. Only that their opinion is the only one.
Some people, when faced with their animals being killed, ignore the laws made up by the seat shiners and the others who clap every time they are told to do something.

I regularly do an emu-parade and make sure I've left nothing out, even one cartridge, because anyone can narc you at any time and people do get unexpected visits, despite what some people think.

[Flavius Maximus]

I don't see any "scurrilous claims" Willie, I've only ever seen people referring to specific incidences that jusyt don't make sense, or were actually new ways of screwing PTA applications over.
Like the ones last year or so when Qld WL decided themselves, from a city office desk, that you didn't need a certain calibre... why? because they said so.
fester has some good points.

I remember well a really struggling bloke out here in the 2019 drought that was using his 22mag PP Ruger single-six revolver on his AG bike to put down starving sheep. Then, his H renewal came up and they refused him, even though he'd had the licence for 20 years. No changes. Just because he wasn't any good at explaining his case online when told to provide more information "first and last request or license cancelled" - their words in an email, I've had this too.
He had a whinge and the local ABC Toowoomba radio interviewed him on The Country Hour and he had a go at WL for deliberately victimising farmers for not having the gift of the gab, being able to do long PDF word docs to show genuine needs and not say exactly the "right words".
The result? Multiple cars of Bris police including WL representatives and Warwick cops too, at 5am for a raid. He has a CZ 452 with a 5-shot clip in it in the hall, for a fox that he hadn't been able to get that was ripping his chooks. The local cops apologised to him to one side on the quiet, said to him "well you will talk to the ABC radio about this" whilst the bris WL cops tore up his house.
His wife, a nurse at a local country town where my wife was the Emergency doctor, told her exactly what happened, they forced her to sit in the kitchen and not move, or watch what they were doing.
And this hasn't happened just once.

Yeah mate, scurrilous claims. Great, honest blokes.

Are you making up "tall" stories to prove your point?

You being a smart arse?
Maybe a good retort to your disrespect of something you know SFA about would be, maybe you need to get amongst it more and experience what's really going on past your kerbside rubbish collection.

Keep it civil, fellas. I'm not gonna be one of those wankers that say "we've all had different experiences", or, "we're all in this together", but please, calm the farm. Bickering solves nothing

[Finniss]

He has a CZ 452 with a 5-shot clip in it in the hall, for a fox that he hadn't been able to get that was ripping his chooks.

Wapiti, any idea on the outcome of this? Seems like a legitimate reason to have it out to me.

Finniss, he had a rifle out of the safe, with the bolt and magazine of bullets in it. So they found a breach of the weapons act. And jumped on it, because they weren't out there to sample his wife's biscuits.
He was formally charged, went to a local court here in his closest town, pleaded guilty because he had no defence under the act and was convicted and fined.
Then he was told afterwards that due to having been convicted of an offence under the firearms act, his H licence, just as the start, would not be renewed because he was not a fit and proper person due to breaching the act.
What a coincidence in favour of the "man", eh?

These laws are made to protect the lowest common denominator, the gun owner in the city who should not have guns out unlocked, especially loaded, because they have absolutely no reason to and it's understandably going to lead to tragedies.

People all pay lip-service to farmers and the sh*t they cop from all sides of beaucracy when it suits them, but it's all shallow rubbish. Look at the response to my post above from someone with no idea what goes on in this closed shop, which is 100% true, and happens frequently.

But out where some of us live, we always need to have a firearm out because our "genuine reason" doesn't stop at the little fence around our farmhouses, it exists up to our back door 24hrs of the day and is always when unexpected. But we are not allowed to either, are we.
Some people, who realised that the people who make these laws without realising that circumstances are different for a lot of us, do not care.
Because the seat shinerts who make the laws have no idea what goes on past the concrete gutter out the front. Only that their opinion is the only one.
Some people, when faced with their animals being killed, ignore the laws made up by the seat shiners and the others who clap every time they are told to do something.

I regularly do an emu-parade and make sure I've left nothing out, even one cartridge, because anyone can narc you at any time and people do get unexpected visits, despite what some people think.

Bugger. Thanks for the details.
Yep, it makes no sense in a lot of circumstances. My genuine use also reaches the back door. Funny how I can have a firearm in the tent with me while hunting public land but not in the bedroom so I can respond quickly to pigs appearing on my cameras.

But like you I'm extra cautious and fastidious with it all.