Ben Roberts-Smith

[alexjones]

So they arrested him and charged him with war crimes. He has not applied for bail and will be held on remand for the foreseeable future whilst the court matters play out.

Absolute madness. I wonder why he did not apply for bail. Seems like a witch hunt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbygpR9 ... iggCQAE%3D

[Jackaroo]

It's just totally sickening.

[alexjones]

I find it baffling he did not apply for bail. He must think he is cooked.

[alexjones]

Imagine you are a poor Afghan farmer. The AFP come to you and give you money for your testimony.

You are going to tell them whatever they want to hear to get your money.

[Jackaroo]

“So, we don’t have photographs, no site plans, no measurements, no recovery of projectiles, no exact location, no blood spatter analysis, none of the things that we would normally get at any crime scene and if you add to that, we don’t have access to the deceased so no post-mortem.”

Witch hunt much????

[alexjones]

“So, we don’t have photographs, no site plans, no measurements, no recovery of projectiles, no exact location, no blood spatter analysis, none of the things that we would normally get at any crime scene and if you add to that, we don’t have access to the deceased so no post-mortem.”

Witch hunt much????

Yeah mate. Has to be.

All the so called Afghan witnesses are compromised too.

[alexjones]

Its hard to love this country when the government, the media and all the institutions hate it so much.

[Bugman]

Tall poppy syndrome, maybe. I bet Albo and his mates are behind some of this to add a distraction to their already appalling efforts.
There is an interesting report coming up on 7 about the army senior staff etc. Shouldn't the buck stop with them?
Maybe that journo Nick Mckenzie has an axe to grind. I don't trust journos myself. Good news never made a paper sell or give you a Walkley Award.
At this point, I am with Ben Roberts-Smith.........but at this point in time he is facing a kangaroo court.

[mchughcb]

$25M on lawyers and he still lost. Evidence must have been strong.

[bigrich]

“So, we don’t have photographs, no site plans, no measurements, no recovery of projectiles, no exact location, no blood spatter analysis, none of the things that we would normally get at any crime scene and if you add to that, we don’t have access to the deceased so no post-mortem.”

Witch hunt much????

yeah, bingo ! i wonder why there's not many looking to join the ADF these days ?

special forces do the dirty jobs in war , most governments protect their elite forces . why would anyone in the ADF trust the australian government now ?
this witch hunt is political bullsh!t

[No1_49er]

Perhaps some of the posters on this forum, who are feigning incredulity that somebody from Australia's military service, a VC recipient no less, should reflect on the fact that the good citizens of Germany once thought that Josef Mengele and his ilk were also thought to have done no wrong.
Ben Roberts-Smith tried, and failed, to sue for defamation.
He failed. And an attempt to pursue the matter in a higher appellate court also failed
It seems that despite some here decrying the evidence of Afghan citizens with the suggestion that their country of origin somehow makes them unworthy of being heard, some of his own military compatriots have given evidence against him.
Perhaps it's time to chill, and let the courts of justice preside?
Kangaroo Court? Well, it is Australian.

[bigrich]

Perhaps some of the posters on this forum, who are feigning incredulity that somebody from Australia's military service, a VC recipient no less, should reflect on the fact that the good citizens of Germany once thought that Josef Mengele and his ilk were also thought to have done no wrong.
Ben Roberts-Smith tried, and failed, to sue for defamation.
He failed. And an attempt to pursue the matter in a higher appellate court also failed
It seems that despite some here decrying the evidence of Afghan citizens with the suggestion that their country of origin somehow makes them unworthy of being heard, some of his own military compatriots have given evidence against him.
Perhaps it's time to chill, and let the courts of justice preside?
Kangaroo Court? Well, it is Australian.

you have some good points , but from what i've seen of the past and current situation , somebody's out to get him . totally unnecessary to arrest him getting off a plane in front of his kids , he and his lawyer already stated if required he'd surrender himself at a police station . the very public arrest with media in attendance was done for vindictive reasons

[Jackaroo]

“We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”

[Wapiti]

I think there's too much comment from people who assume the world is full of butterflies and pretty birds on their shoulders.
And the media tell the truth when the listener decides selectively that they do.
Any of us been there? Given instructions to kill certain targets, even if in the presence of people with axes to grind or weak stomachs?

I haven't either, but in sitting down with a 6-pack of neighbours who have, I believe the bloke's been shafted by weak, limp wristed pacifist journalists who are not out to tell the truth and how nasty the world really is, but to WIN by ruining the lives of men with 1000x more character, bravery and brotherhood than they will ever be.

I won't name the sick slimy dog that's been pursuing BRS, but he's not fit for anything not even fertiliser.

[alexjones]

Perhaps some of the posters on this forum, who are feigning incredulity that somebody from Australia's military service, a VC recipient no less, should reflect on the fact that the good citizens of Germany once thought that Josef Mengele and his ilk were also thought to have done no wrong.
Ben Roberts-Smith tried, and failed, to sue for defamation.
He failed. And an attempt to pursue the matter in a higher appellate court also failed
It seems that despite some here decrying the evidence of Afghan citizens with the suggestion that their country of origin somehow makes them unworthy of being heard, some of his own military compatriots have given evidence against him.
Perhaps it's time to chill, and let the courts of justice preside?
Kangaroo Court? Well, it is Australian.

The good citizens of Germany once thought that Josef Mengele did no wrong?

You realise the NAZIS tried to keep things secret yes? The average German had no idea what was going on so don't lie mate.

[Wm.Traynor]

Perhaps some of the posters on this forum, who are feigning incredulity that somebody from Australia's military service, a VC recipient no less, should reflect on the fact that the good citizens of Germany once thought that Josef Mengele and his ilk were also thought to have done no wrong.
Ben Roberts-Smith tried, and failed, to sue for defamation.
He failed. And an attempt to pursue the matter in a higher appellate court also failed
It seems that despite some here decrying the evidence of Afghan citizens with the suggestion that their country of origin somehow makes them unworthy of being heard, some of his own military compatriots have given evidence against him.
Perhaps it's time to chill, and let the courts of justice preside?
Kangaroo Court? Well, it is Australian.

you have some good points , but from what i've seen of the past and current situation , somebody's out to get him . totally unnecessary to arrest him getting off a plane in front of his kids , he and his lawyer already stated if required he'd surrender himself at a police station . the very public arrest with media in attendance was done for vindictive reasons

I cannot help but agree. Of course, I do have a suspicious mind

[Die Judicii]

I don't know all the ins and outs with this,,,,,,,, but one single question is yelling in my head.

Don't we have the "Double Jeopardy" situation any more in the courts of Australia ?

[No1_49er]

I don't know all the ins and outs with this,,,,,,,, but one single question is yelling in my head.

Don't we have the "Double Jeopardy" situation any more in the courts of Australia ?

Yes, we do.
Why the question?
Can you provide details of the first trial?

[Die Judicii]

Yes, we do.
Why the question?
Can you provide details of the first trial?

No I can’t, but if he’s already been on trial for it all once, how can they start it all up again now ? Doesn’t that fly in the face of the Double Jeopardy ruling ?

[alexjones]

Yes, we do.
Why the question?
Can you provide details of the first trial?

No I can’t, but if he’s already been on trial for it all once, how can they start it all up again now ? Doesn’t that fly in the face of the Double Jeopardy ruling ?

The first trial was a civl trial for deformation. Nothing to do with murder war crimes. Double jeopardy is not even close here.

[bigrich]

well , like a lot of you i feel that BRS is going through a witch hunt, and i'll support ADF members who've served our country . BUT , i try to keep a open mind . please watch the following opinion piece by andrew bolt, as he goes into a few things i didn't know or had considered . interesting opinion on AUKUS at the end . why would the US sell us nuclear subs when we've given no support to the US with this iran situation ? have billions of taxpayer dollars been thrown away again on subs we won't get ?


https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/andr ... 806d64d37b

[No1_49er]

As Bolt said; don't let patriotism cloud your vision.
Allow the court of justice take its course else it will be a case of (Bolts words) swept under the carpet; to be seen as "something that happens in the heat of battle".

[Bugman]

well , like a lot of you i feel that BRS is going through a witch hunt, and i'll support ADF members who've served our country . BUT , i try to keep a open mind . please watch the following opinion piece by andrew bolt, as he goes into a few things i didn't know or had considered . interesting opinion on AUKUS at the end . why would the US sell us nuclear subs when we've given no support to the US with this iran situation ? have billions of taxpayer dollars been thrown away again on subs we won't get ?

Wise and balanced words from Andrew Bolt.


https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/andr ... 806d64d37b

[straightshooter]

$25M on lawyers and he still lost. Evidence must have been strong.

I suspect that the BRS evidence is about as strong as the evidence produced to convict Cardinal Pell.

[bigrich]

here's another opinion piece in support of BRS

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta ... b466fe7c57

[markg]

The one fly in the ointment is they have video evidence . One of them clearly shows an Australian soldier standing over an Afghan that is not armed, on the ground and then the soldier who has his gun trained on him asks his superior what do you want me to do with him and he is told to shoot him ....so he does. And to make matters worse on another video you can hear his team mates discussing it saying that it does not sit well with them. And the soldier they are mentioning would seem to be a serial offender . I'm not saying I know all the facts or any but the perception is a bad look. I would believe that things get very clouded in a theatre of war, and due to the amount of back to back tours some of the soldiers participated in it would become very easy to be desensitised to much of what was going on or what you were called upon to do. War is an ugly business. I just find it strange how only BRS has been arrested.

[Wapiti]

They don't have video of BRS executing anybody.
He is the bloke who's been arrested.
Edit - correct me if I'm wrong and feel free to post up a link to it.

I am looking forward to this sickening cowardly witch hunt going to a trial before jury, which this will be shown to be that, without completely conclusive evidence and a body, on the say so of completely discredited witnesses who took money for comment, and it being complete say-so.

And this skipping stone - hearing evidence that certain men who are above anyone who speak down about them who weren't there, when in court the truth comes out that from up above, assassination hits were handed out about certain terrorists that had murdered Aussie soldiers and civilians and given to men just doing their job.
For this to deflect to the hidden officers who, from way up top, ordered these hits.

We all know about the terrorists with shoot-to-kill orders out on them, in war, who threw their guns down, stood up and said "you can't kill me now, the rules of war say I am not to be hurt. I am now unarmed" and expected the hits not to take place from those with the stomachs to do their job instead of narking on their mates like dogs?

[mchughcb]

Second soldier has been charged from what I saw last night.

[bigrich]

They don't have video of BRS executing anybody.
He is the bloke who's been arrested.
Edit - correct me if I'm wrong and feel free to post up a link to it.

I am looking forward to this sickening cowardly witch hunt going to a trial before jury, which this will be shown to be that, without completely conclusive evidence and a body, on the say so of completely discredited witnesses who took money for comment, and it being complete say-so.

And this skipping stone - hearing evidence that certain men who are above anyone who speak down about them who weren't there, when in court the truth comes out that from up above, assassination hits were handed out about certain terrorists that had murdered Aussie soldiers and civilians and given to men just doing their job.
For this to deflect to the hidden officers who, from way up top, ordered these hits.

We all know about the terrorists with shoot-to-kill orders out on them, in war, who threw their guns down, stood up and said "you can't kill me now, the rules of war say I am not to be hurt. I am now unarmed" and expected the hits not to take place from those with the stomachs to do their job instead of narking on their mates like dogs?

war is war . a dirty business where what needs to be done , and what is done , is a vastly different circumstance to those sitting in judgement in "civilised society", passing judgement . we're talking about the SAS after all . they do the job others can't stomach . foreign special forces have a code of silence that permits them to operate to do the dirty jobs that get results . i'd love to hear about taliban executions and torture of civilians to put things into context . BRS would be a saint compared to some of these terrorists i'm sure

british commandoes during WW2 and green berets in vietnam would've performed tasks outside of the geneva convention . but those countries respect and look after their elite troops . who'd want to join our military now ? stuff happens during war and our serving members get thrown under the bus . disgusting

[alexjones]

They don't have video of BRS executing anybody.
He is the bloke who's been arrested.
Edit - correct me if I'm wrong and feel free to post up a link to it.

I am looking forward to this sickening cowardly witch hunt going to a trial before jury, which this will be shown to be that, without completely conclusive evidence and a body, on the say so of completely discredited witnesses who took money for comment, and it being complete say-so.

And this skipping stone - hearing evidence that certain men who are above anyone who speak down about them who weren't there, when in court the truth comes out that from up above, assassination hits were handed out about certain terrorists that had murdered Aussie soldiers and civilians and given to men just doing their job.
For this to deflect to the hidden officers who, from way up top, ordered these hits.

We all know about the terrorists with shoot-to-kill orders out on them, in war, who threw their guns down, stood up and said "you can't kill me now, the rules of war say I am not to be hurt. I am now unarmed" and expected the hits not to take place from those with the stomachs to do their job instead of narking on their mates like dogs?

war is war . a dirty business where what needs to be done , and what is done , is a vastly different circumstance to those sitting in judgement in "civilised society", passing judgement . we're talking about the SAS after all . they do the job others can't stomach . foreign special forces have a code of silence that permits them to operate to do the dirty jobs that get results . i'd love to hear about taliban executions and torture of civilians to put things into context . BRS would be a saint compared to some of these terrorists i'm sure

british commandoes during WW2 and green berets in vietnam would've performed tasks outside of the geneva convention . but those countries respect and look after their elite troops . who'd want to join our military now ? stuff happens during war and our serving members get thrown under the bus . disgusting

American paratroopers killed a lot of German prisoner's in WW2.

When you are behind enemy lines you do not have the time or resources to deal with prisoner's.

Was it against the so called “law of war”. Yes. But nobody cares because war is not a game. It is serious business.

Who are we to judge the actions of others from the comfort of our homes?