NSW health check for new licenses

[ButchDDG41]

Good Morning All,

First time poster, long time lurker. SO like ,many in NSW my wife has recently applied for her license so she can enjoy shooting with me. So far she has been to the range a few times and used the P650 form and had fun poking holes in targets with my old 270 Win Rem 700. After a 90 odd day wait she got an email asking her to get a letter from her GP ()that has been treating her for over 5 years) saying she was mentally fit to hold a license due to an incident from 27 years ago.

Way to go full swing from giving a license to a terry-wrist. How they even found this tiny tid bit of info is beyond me as she has had numerous working with children checks and police checks for working in the health industry. She will probably have to have a costly psych report written for a minor incident almost 3 decades ago. We have finally found something we can do together (as you will never get me on a horse) and it seems the barriers erected by the NSW FR in the wake of their monumental own goals will prevent that.

Anyone got any experience they could share in this area?

Regards,

Butch

[fussy]

1. Is this the LAW, or just NSW police 'policy'?
2. Talk to Shooters Union.

[ButchDDG41]

I will talk to shooters union, but I really think they have just over corrected their scrutiny noting recent events. I think 27 years clean slate should not rate a mention myself.

[No1_49er]

The most important question is - What does the LAW require? The usual question that is attached to that is - Show me the LAW.

Next; what GP is going to provide what will essentially be an affidavit about psychiatric health?
Does the law require a psychiatric report regarding mental health, or a statement about health in general?
A GP is NOT a psychiatrist.

My 2c

[Wapiti]

How they even found this tiny tid bit of info is beyond me as she has had numerous working with children checks and police checks for working in the health industry. She will probably have to have a costly psych report written for a minor incident almost 3 decades ago.

Anyone got any experience they could share in this area?

Regards,

Butch

Butch,
The culprit is the police getting access to what WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE didn't opt out of, the useless Federal Government "My Health Record".

I have been saying this for a few years now.
You all MUST get online, search for this and OPT OUT.
When the Govt brought this in, everything you saw and have seen your GP for, unless you deliberately got online and "opted out", is available online for any police to troll through and use against you, even if it's irrelevant.
They then deny or hold up licence applications, renewals, PTA's or anything else, even an unplanned visit at 4am one morning, to say you are an unfit person.
They then force you into an expensive court process to try and get some sanity back and prove your are a fit and proper person unnecessarily.
Don't believe me? Tinfoil hat on? Well, then this happens, and will happen to more of you unfairly.

Here's an exercise for you all, next time you get a bloodtest request for Sullivan Nicolaides or whoever, look at the form. If the Doc hasn't ticked the "Do not send to My Healthcare" box, tick it yourself.
AND when you next see your Doc, tell them you do not consent for ANY of your personal details be added to it further.

My wife is a GP, and backs this up and removed me from it, and she also has opted out. Because from the very start, she said, you watch, the police will use this against you, as will insurance companies, whoever gets access that they SAID was going to only ever be accessed by your GP.
If you didn't get the poison for the WuFlu, and more in the future, they all know if you were a rebel and had a brain of your own.
But that was a dirty lie, the police are accessing it.

Edit: the system had GP's automatically uploading your histories to this thing, unless you had deliberately opted out before the system went live. I can't remember the date given for the deadline, but it's years past now. What's there is there now, but opt out from any further additions if you are private with your medical history and want to control who has access to it.

[Damo300]

Welcome Butch.


This was here in QLD well before Bondi. It happened about 4yrs ago to a friend.

He's as clean as a whistle, upstanding, hard working citizen, married with kids, owns his house, but he had a crappy youth.
Not a criminal of sorts, just associated with that kinda crowd.

Did the safety course.
Filled the application online and payed in full.
Weapons licencing came back with an incident in 2001 asking for more information.

(Long story short, it was a nothing burger DV order against him from a spiteful ex to keep him from seeing his kid. He fought to have child removed and won, however he kept the order because it works both ways. She can't be near him with kid etc.)

He had all the court docs and lawyers letters filed away and submitted it all to WL.

Nope. Not good enough... Hmmm, okay.
They told him he needed a letter from a doctor that had been treating him for more than 5yrs, stating they'd see no problem in him owing a firearm.

All good, but he doesn't have a doctor.
So they told him he needed to get a psych test.

So he had to cancel his application.
(Get your wife to cancel her application if you need more time for psych because if they reject her, that then goes on her new licence application as a rejection)

He then had to schedule about 5 visits to psych rehashing these events from over 20yrs ago (this can be traumatic because of the memories) and he did the psych test and he finally received his licence.

Absolute stuff around and exhausting for the poor bugger, but in the end, he got it.
You will get there. Keep going and do not let them win this.

And yes, join the shooters union. It's cheaper than a box of beer.

[Tinker]

This is disturbing.
If you don't mind me asking... the incident 27 years ago, was it a Police matter, or were Police involved at all (eg assisting transport to hospital)?
Or was it purely medical?
The Police certainly should not have access to your health records for something as simple as a firearms license application.

[ButchDDG41]

This is disturbing.
If you don't mind me asking... the incident 27 years ago, was it a Police matter, or were Police involved at all (eg assisting transport to hospital)?
Or was it purely medical?
The Police certainly should not have access to your health records for something as simple as a firearms license application.

It was a medical issue, no police involved and not even a speeding ticket in the 27 years since. It has taken the wind from her sails a bit, but we will jump through the hoops we need to get it sorted.

[Fester]

In NSW, they admitted it was a trial, but the greeny pot heads at the secret Nth coast FAR location, likely Nimbin, will never let the trial stop.

Anyone who ticked the disability pension box for a bad back or whatever will face the same.
If you don't have a good, non-anti-GP, your license will be refused when it expires.
They can't do the psycho doctor thing because the system is so broken that it would take years.

A keen shooter in a wheelchair had his guns seized, and would have had to fight to get them back.
His wife helped him, and drove to all the ranges, said to have shown the cops some attitude.
I think I have met and talked to him a few times, a knowledgeable, keen shooter, but not seen him since, if it was him.
With no more appeals for NSW shooters, they may as well close the huge Olympic range in Western Sydney that catered for the shooters with disabilities and held the big comps.

I opted straight out of that health thing that the doctors were pushing to sign everyone up to share info.
I fell for ticking the box, as I am honest, and was suddenly forced to retire with a bad back.
I gave up my more physical and dangerous hobbies, and went back to a safe one, shooting and hunting.

Funny, but real, they will pull any record from 30 years ago to take or refuse a gun license.
In the current Wokeworld, they will use these things and add more to the fit and proper person thing.
I no longer say much on Facebook as it's the first place the comos will look to cull gun licenses.

My great new young girl doctor had heard nothing about it, and I had to explain the new trial.
Qld govt had followed the same path of more license scrutiny, but they were woke Labor then.

[Fester]

Don't be fooled into thinking it's just FAR regulation, rather than legislation.

The NSW toughest gun laws were pushed through before Xmas.
All passed, and now the cops just make the regulations, which are law, and passed.
Why do you think they recalled parliament and rammed the legislation through?

[9.3x64]

How they even found this tiny tid bit of info is beyond me as she has had numerous working with children checks and police checks for working in the health industry. She will probably have to have a costly psych report written for a minor incident almost 3 decades ago.

Anyone got any experience they could share in this area?

Regards,

Butch

Butch,
The culprit is the police getting access to what WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE didn't opt out of, the useless Federal Government "My Health Record".

I have been saying this for a few years now.
You all MUST get online, search for this and OPT OUT.
When the Govt brought this in, everything you saw and have seen your GP for, unless you deliberately got online and "opted out", is available online for any police to troll through and use against you, even if it's irrelevant.
They then deny or hold up licence applications, renewals, PTA's or anything else, even an unplanned visit at 4am one morning, to say you are an unfit person.
They then force you into an expensive court process to try and get some sanity back and prove your are a fit and proper person unnecessarily.
Don't believe me? Tinfoil hat on? Well, then this happens, and will happen to more of you unfairly.

Here's an exercise for you all, next time you get a bloodtest request for Sullivan Nicolaides or whoever, look at the form. If the Doc hasn't ticked the "Do not send to My Healthcare" box, tick it yourself.
AND when you next see your Doc, tell them you do not consent for ANY of your personal details be added to it further.

My wife is a GP, and backs this up and removed me from it, and she also has opted out. Because from the very start, she said, you watch, the police will use this against you, as will insurance companies, whoever gets access that they SAID was going to only ever be accessed by your GP.
If you didn't get the poison for the WuFlu, and more in the future, they all know if you were a rebel and had a brain of your own.
But that was a dirty lie, the police are accessing it.

Edit: the system had GP's automatically uploading your histories to this thing, unless you had deliberately opted out before the system went live. I can't remember the date given for the deadline, but it's years past now. What's there is there now, but opt out from any further additions if you are private with your medical history and want to control who has access to it.

Absolutely agree!
I never opted in, my wife never opted in, and neither of us ever will.
You are keeping you personal private health information on a national data base for all and sundry to read.
Think about that for a while….

[fussy]

In QLD, it's still (last I checked) NOT the law.
The GP is 'required' byt Qld WLB to sign a form, written by QPS, worded in such a way that they're 100% sure you will never go off the deep end.
It's not the law, it's s ploy to make sure no GP in their right mind would sign it.

Check the law and get in touch with your local member, demanding to know WHY the police think their policies are above the law.

[Wapiti]

Please guys, look this thing up and stop contributing to it.
My wife regularly hears from patients where this is being used against them. And these are GOOD people, who are getting picked on after having health problems, it's quite disgusting.
Yes, others shouldn't access your health records, but unfortunately, we were all sold a pup. This is exactly why it was set up in the first place... OK you might think the original reason has merit, but real life is showing this is not fact and some officials use anything to achieve their personal crusades.
Unfortunately, people still believe in the good in people and government, but you are mistaken.

[9.3x64]

This is the part that really pisses me off!

“ In May 2017, the Turnbull Coalition Government announced the shift from opt‑in to opt‑out, which is why most Australians now have a record unless they actively opted out. ”

[ButchDDG41]

Thanks for the replies. Spouse has a DR appt next Friday, but because her old DR passed away she has to see a new one. We will see how that goes. But she is not willing to let this get in the way of her getting licensed.

When she does she will realise how much I have spent on guns, ammo, reloading gear etc and I may be in trouble... but she has horses so I guess with her pending new hobby we will be poor.

[Wapiti]

My wife was into horses, but only for work. In another life, she was in the mounted police and used to train to stomp on protesters and trained the horses to keep calm when firing pistols from the saddle. Not that strange play stuff.
So I figured, she'd want a horse here, right? Go for rides with the leather gun bucket with the lever actions, carry a farm revolver and go for trots checking stock. Sounded romatic.
NF way she said, wretched animals. When she became an ED Doctor she said she saw more people become zombies from head injuries from on horses than motorbikes, so I am banned as I am an accident magnet. And she reckoned, as a cop prior, the worst people to commit animal cruelty and starve and beat their animals were horse owners.
Now I'm sure you aren't like that, but yep, be prepared to be poorer.