Open Sights Aiming Question

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Re: Open Sights Aiming Question

Post by No1_49er » 22 May 2026, 6:11 am

Maybe the OP has found a satisfactory answer to his question(s)??
https://www.milsurps.com/threads/lee-en ... ost-561571
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Re: Open Sights Aiming Question

Post by MG5150 » 22 May 2026, 7:29 am

Tinker wrote:These sights are calibrated for military MkVII ammunition, firing a 174 grain flat based (and open based) full metal jacket projectile over cordite at 2440fps. As far as I know, no one has ever succeeded in replicating the ballistics of that round using modern powders and projectiles. Modern ammo won't match the elevation settings marked on the sights. There are, however, plenty of accurate loads for the .303, and several reasonable factory loads (eg PPU).
Rather than get caught up in the sights at this point, I'd suggest you get some .303 hunting ammo, either your own handloads, or PPU 150gr or 180gr, and try a few different types to see what suits your rifle. Set the rifle up on a nice firm front rest and fire some 5 shot groups at 50m or so, WITH THE SIGHTS ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR (like in the picture above). Pick the best group, and then zero your rifle to that ammo.
Don't file the rear sight down. If you get it wrong, replacements are expensive. Do the adjustments on the foresight only, as per Blade's post above.
Once you've zeroed at 50m, set some targets up at other ranges (maybe 100m and 150m) and see where the shots land. I doubt you'll see much difference in elevation from 50m to 150m.


As I plan to shoot deer at 50m-150m I'm best to just leave the sights as is?

I'll likly go with the PPU 150g but I guess buying a pack of 180g and seeing which it prefers makes sense.

You mentioned seeing how it goes at 50m to find the best ammo, then zeroing - I'm not understanding whether I am zeroing it for a specific distance or just leaving it at the current settings as 200m if further than I think I'd use it for and definitly won't be hunting deer at 400+
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Re: Open Sights Aiming Question

Post by bladeracer » 22 May 2026, 9:31 am

Put some groups on paper first so you actually know where it's zeroed.
Four to five inches high at 40m puts it somewhere between 300m and 400m is my guess, which will be something like 400mm to 500mm high at 200m, depending on the ammo you use.

If you're not going to reload, try some ammo and see if it it'll group. If it's accurate then you can determine where it's shooting and whether you want to adjust the sight.

If you have good eyesight you can shoot groups at 100m. I find 50m is about the furthest I can see a small aiming mark (not a 44 gallon drum) reliably with open sights, so I do initial load testing at 50m.


MG5150 wrote:As I plan to shoot deer at 50m-150m I'm best to just leave the sights as is?

I'll likly go with the PPU 150g but I guess buying a pack of 180g and seeing which it prefers makes sense.

You mentioned seeing how it goes at 50m to find the best ammo, then zeroing - I'm not understanding whether I am zeroing it for a specific distance or just leaving it at the current settings as 200m if further than I think I'd use it for and definitly won't be hunting deer at 400+
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Re: Open Sights Aiming Question

Post by madang55 » 20 Jul 2026, 10:18 pm

Dear Oh dear, oh dear.
Pick yr ammo, practise. The rifle is a battle rifle. If you aim at the centre of the target, you cant see half the target. If you aim at the 6, you can. A battle rifle is not used for targets, sorry, paper targets, its used for the obvious. My issued SLR and I had a very good relationship. I didn't have to "hold over" from 100 to 300. I held at around the 6 and anything out to 300 was in trouble. If you want to use it for paper, zero at 100, holding at 6 and hitting 3 inches or so high. At 300 yr right in the ball park. A 303 can't be that different until you start reaching way out.
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Re: Open Sights Aiming Question

Post by Fester » 21 Jul 2026, 3:03 pm

The 6oc hold works fine at std pistol comps, but they are at the set 25m distance, so no complications.

I like variety, and it's hard enough knowing the holds at distances other than the ones you shoot regularly and know well.
I need an accurate POA to have any chance to calculate the correct POI.

The rifle I use to shoot longer range plates at a metric rifle range was my first mill radian scope.
It's fine because a mill-radian is a meter at 1,000.

I do use the inch and 3/4 high at 100yds for my MOI scoped deer hunting rifle as that system just works, and saved me one time shooting a big doe at about 220yds with buck fever, for whatever reason it struck me on that occasion.

I hit the chest, mid center high aimed as usual.
Had I been zeroed at 100yds, I may well have missed low as I didn't use the range finder, and didn't glass, or wind up the zoom.
Due to the dose of buck fever, I seen the deer, grabbed the tree, and shot the biggest target.

My 30-30 with a peep sight is sighted with the hunting loads at 50yds.
It's a brush gun and that seems to work fine, just aim a bit high at 100 and don't shoot it much further.
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