Give me a brake, ffs!

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Give me a brake, ffs!

Post by Damo300 » 19 Jun 2026, 9:00 pm

Been playing with some loads for my Rossi R95 lever over the last few months.
It's the classic 20inch version.
5 shot mag + 1.

It's fun to shoot, but it groups like buck shot would at 100yds, so not really something to chase deer with.
Lucky to have 5 on over an 8 inch target.
I nearly sold it, but thought I'd just modify it to look like some Armageddon gun.
I had the barrel threaded and fitted a grizzly radial brake.
When the brake arrive i saw that it wasn't shiny bluing and I thought I'd stuffed up. Instead the bluing is a matt finish, which when fitted to the rifle actually matches the action, so while the bluing on the barrel is shiny the brake and action are matt.
I stopped the mods there because I like the look of it. Gives it a modern touch to a western looking classic.

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So I took it to kill some cardboard.
What a difference this brake has made to the rifle.
It's clover leafing now.
The handloads are perfect.
I'm stoked.


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Bottom right target.
4 shots there, 1st sighter shot just out of picture.

I now have the confidence to take this hunting cause I want to get a deer with a 30/30.
I am so glad this has worked out and I don't have to make excuses to keep a poor purchase.
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Re: Give me a brake, ffs!

Post by Damo300 » 19 Jun 2026, 9:10 pm

I've also been working some 175gr Sub X down as well.
Currently at 11.5gr of 2206h and still just over speed at about 1050fps.

I will load up some to 11gr and work up to 11.5gr. Reckon it will be 11.2gr in the end.

Here's the drop over 50m....haha.
Aiming center of top target.

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The circled groups are together ( I missed a flyer on the RHS in the circle) and the individual circled ones are together.
Used both sides of the target, not getting right wind drift there.
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Re: Give me a brake, ffs!

Post by No1_49er » 19 Jun 2026, 9:30 pm

That extra weight of the brake is acting like a barrel tuner. It alters the harmonics. Take it off and watch your groups go to sh!t again.
Did you try "playing" with the forearm bedding, or the tightness of the barrel band? That can sometimes pay dividends.
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Re: Give me a brake, ffs!

Post by Damo300 » 20 Jun 2026, 2:03 am

No1_49er wrote:That extra weight of the brake is acting like a barrel tuner. It alters the harmonics. Take it off and watch your groups go to sh!t again.
Did you try "playing" with the forearm bedding, or the tightness of the barrel band? That can sometimes pay dividends.




It's all about the vibe your honor!


I did play with the forearm bedding.
Not bedding as such, although I am considering all that now.
I bedded my 243 timber stock the other week and it has sorted its sparadic grouping out.

The timber forend was a touch lose in hand. You could notice a very slight rocking/clicking movement, but not all the time.
The stock is just roughly carved out by a shop A student somewhere and they'd taken a tad to much out.
I glued some marine floatation foam to the inside under the mag tube.
It's a nice snug fit now.
I did this when I first got the rifle and it made no difference to groups at the time.


No barrel band to play with on this model.
I had read about all those little adjustments in desperation to rectify my bad purchase.
I knew levers werent the best, but I'd have better luck chucking a speer at the animal than using this thing.

I had a joke to my mate that I wouldn't stand beside me when I pull the trigger. We just don't know where this is gonna end up.
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Re: Give me a brake, ffs!

Post by Wapiti » 21 Jun 2026, 6:17 am

Whatever the reason, great work with your experimenting Damo.
And thanks for posting up the pics too.
Good old SSAA 6-packs just never die.
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Aristotle.
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Re: Give me a brake, ffs!

Post by Fester » 22 Jun 2026, 12:33 pm

It sounds like Rossi hasn't changed much, as their QC was always lacking, at best.

I got mine as a used interstate gun with little use. Hard to use as it jammed up solid the first time I used it, and most range tests after.
The smith sorted it, but wasn't much right about the action workings.
It is a staino 30-30 Reogrande, and shouldn't have left the factory on that Friday arvo.
I had to field strip it and scratched the shiny staino with my Leatherman, as the lever had to come out to unload it.

That first shoot was about a minute of melons at 30m, offhand so I fitted a Skinner peep, the duluxe model in gold and black, as it really sets the rifle off with looks, and low and compact.
It then became a group shooter at 50yds, and always shot fine.
I still love it as a brush gun and fun shooter with casties.

I never needed to do much, or any load development, just sighted in to shoot 150-grain jacket loads at middle range charge.
I did a reduced load with powder-coated 165-gr HRBC cast pills using 18gr of 2207, then tried Trailboss when it was found in stock.
It must have gone subsonic, as it was like a .22lr
No real point, so I then heard about the PC pills handling some speed and had to see for myself.

I did push it to near the 150gr full loads and did find the point where they lose accuracy, so I backed off, got no real leading.
That non-gas checked load is a beauty, and can actually shoot some longer ranges. I impressed both myself and the RO that I asked if I can put a few on the lowish 300m berm. I just aimed at the top, and hit mid-level.

It is much better loaded up, and less rock-chucking drops, just aim at the top of the paper to group on the target about 8" under, when shooting the casties.

I also do a gas-checked load and just go 1gr less than the 150gr jacketed hunting loads.

I have all the 08 loads in my book with speeds if you are interested.
I can list them here, as we are not on FB asking what load to make, we all take responsibility for what we do.

The best thing about the Rossi is using conventional rifling, rather than the Marlin micro groove thing, they seem to shoot fine with normal .309" sized cast pills, no need for .311" or whatever they do.
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Re: Give me a brake, ffs!

Post by Damo300 » 22 Jun 2026, 6:45 pm

Wapiti wrote:Whatever the reason, great work with your experimenting Damo.
And thanks for posting up the pics too.
Good old SSAA 6-packs just never die.



Thanks mate.
Yeah I'm just stuffing around.
I find loading very theroputic.
Why?
I don't drink.
I dont do drugs.
I love tinkering.

I'd like to take this thing deering.
The 160gr are dead accurate now out at 100m with an average of 2112.6.
Il just max point blank zero it and she'll be good out to 200...hopefully.
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Re: Give me a brake, ffs!

Post by Damo300 » 22 Jun 2026, 7:12 pm

Fester wrote:It sounds like Rossi hasn't changed much, as their QC was always lacking, at best.

I got mine as a used interstate gun with little use. Hard to use as it jammed up solid the first time I used it, and most range tests after.
The smith sorted it, but wasn't much right about the action workings.
It is a staino 30-30 Reogrande, and shouldn't have left the factory on that Friday arvo.
I had to field strip it and scratched the shiny staino with my Leatherman, as the lever had to come out to unload it.

That first shoot was about a minute of melons at 30m, offhand so I fitted a Skinner peep, the duluxe model in gold and black, as it really sets the rifle off with looks, and low and compact.
It then became a group shooter at 50yds, and always shot fine.
I still love it as a brush gun and fun shooter with casties.

I never needed to do much, or any load development, just sighted in to shoot 150-grain jacket loads at middle range charge.
I did a reduced load with powder-coated 165-gr HRBC cast pills using 18gr of 2207, then tried Trailboss when it was found in stock.
It must have gone subsonic, as it was like a .22lr
No real point, so I then heard about the PC pills handling some speed and had to see for myself.

I did push it to near the 150gr full loads and did find the point where they lose accuracy, so I backed off, got no real leading.
That non-gas checked load is a beauty, and can actually shoot some longer ranges. I impressed both myself and the RO that I asked if I can put a few on the lowish 300m berm. I just aimed at the top, and hit mid-level.

It is much better loaded up, and less rock-chucking drops, just aim at the top of the paper to group on the target about 8" under, when shooting the casties.

I also do a gas-checked load and just go 1gr less than the 150gr jacketed hunting loads.

I have all the 08 loads in my book with speeds if you are interested.
I can list them here, as we are not on FB asking what load to make, we all take responsibility for what we do.

The best thing about the Rossi is using conventional rifling, rather than the Marlin micro groove thing, they seem to shoot fine with normal .309" sized cast pills, no need for .311" or whatever they do.



This one wasn't too bad.
I'd heard horror stories of Rossi's cyclying issues etc.
The R95s had a better reputation and when this one popped up I thought I'd snavel it.
Was fairly cheap.


I got home and pulled the rifle down, cleaned it completely and reassembled with blue locktite in all the bolts.

The forened was fix was easy.

The mag tube follower was plastic, so I fitted an alloy job from precision parts company.
There are plenty of aftermarket options for this rifle.
I'm tempted to spend dumb money on stocks and hand rails now that is shoots well. Have to stay away from that Web site.

The lever rattled like a Ducati clutch when cycling rounds so I shimmied that and it is a hell of a lot quieter.

Fitted an illuminated Burris fullfield 4 because my eyes are toast and those open sights and very hard to see.
Very good scope for the price.


I actually like this gun now.
It nearly got moved on, but something told me to give it one more try.


If you would like to share some data, I won't say no. Even if to compare. Can pm or whatever.
I'm not loading anymore supersonic.
Just finding a sub load for pigs.

We have a 300 yd gong I'll try next time.
I reckon it will be in with a good chance of being accurate out there now.
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Re: Give me a brake, ffs!

Post by Fester » 22 Jun 2026, 10:46 pm

You really should test the subs on paper for much over 70-80m as mine were all printing round holes at 50, but starting to lose stability and cutting oval-shaped holes on the 100yd targets.

My reduced loads were 16gr of 2207 going 1,350fps. 17gr was 1,440fps
Trailboss load was 9gr going 1,250fps

I gave them away after plinking for years and wouldn't shoot critters with them.

The fav now is the unmodded 165gr HRBC powder coated pills with 28gr of 2208 going 1,765fps.
With no scope on the light rifle, it feels like shooting a real rifle, and great offhand shooting practice.

I also fit gas checks after a quick facing cut, and cut off the rear most diamiter section.
31gr of 08 has them going 1,965fps

My hunting loads are just Sierra, or Hrdy 150gr round or flat round-nose jacketed pills.
33.8gr of 08 goes 2,250fps.

I only blooded the Rossi the other year, short brush-gun range, through trees and branches.
A real big grey grasshopper just dropped on the spot, spewing that I didn't think to recover the projie, as I like learning from that sort of stuff.
I have loaded some of those FTX flex tips but found no real improvements at brush gun ranges, and the Rossi pretty much shoots everything much the same.
Hrdy used their own powder, developed for those pills, and I suspect they pushed them faster.
I never even tried pushing the 30-30, and it will stay my open-sighted brush gun.
If light is low, out hunting, I can just unscrew the target ring and leavee it as a big ghost ring to see the front pin and target more clearly.
Federal Powershok 150rg ammo was actually faster than my full loads.

I also had to Loctite all the screws, bar the one to remove the lever, as it CAN still jam if I go too slow on the lever.
The action is very slick and fast when oiled up, so just use it that way.
No rattling like my dry clutch did.
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