30-30 lever guns, still a viable cartridge/rifle in use?

[Damo300]

I quite like the percussion hit from brakes. Nothing like being smacked in the face with a fist of burnt gunpowder. Like that first decent punch in a sparing match.
Gets those adrenal glands pumping.
Sorry, getting a bit carried away there.

If I could use suppressors, I would, but while the kindergarten children still fight over which colour crayon deserves recognition, it's brakes for now.

[Fester]

I didn't continue the discussion with the full thread creep, but I checked, and it was your thread, so OK.

I watched Wizzing in the Wind, but can't get into the sensor and figures stuff, hard enough, just comparing ballistic charts, and I have a slight interest and understanding of those figures.
Winning is a funny (different) kind of guy: how to not do your top shirt button up, but still look like it is, lol

It's not the figures; it's the fact that he got the symptoms- the fatigue and concentration loss at the later stages of the PRS comps.
The instant headache from shooting an effective break in a pipe.
They were thinking about the pipe idea at the shorter 200 yd range that was my local for a decade, then turned Fudd.
My first thought was: imagine shooting with your head in there when guns go off- not for me.
The range has that (no buffer zone behind it) problem and a house was built behind it, directly in the firing range direction.
Only a few hundred meters away, but there is a huge quarry-type wall of dirt, and it's so shielded in that you can't even see over the top, let alone shoot over it.

I wonder if Winning uses less-than-adequate hearing protection with effective muzzle brakes; I should comment and ask.

His recommendations at the end sort of showed the practicalities over the figures.
He will be using suppressors rather than brakes, and other logical stuff.

You would be lucky to buy a rifle now without a break, so my next one, a magnum cal to replace the 2 low-power stolen guns will come with a radial one. I want to get a bad, offensively loud, rear-vented one, just as a payback thing, really. I couldn't just do it to other range users, and wreck their days.

[bigrich]

i've heard of topic drift , but a 30-30 discussion jumping to muzzle brakes ?!



i actually had a 20" barrelled 8x57 carbine years ago , after putting up with a fella next to me with a braked 300 win mag giving me smug looks, i did some standing offhand shooting next to him , standing back a little from the firing line . when he complained about muzzle blast , i told him it's a rifle range , not a country club . the RO thought it was hilarious . i've often thought a 16" barrelled 30-06 columbian carbine loaded with 150's and 2213sc for the massive flame would be even better for a bit of payback

[Wapiti]

Well to summarise the "Winning in the wind" video it became quite boring in the end but when he said that the shock equipment measured the same, slightly more with brakes off, that surprised me.
The 308 grand-dads axe I use to get around with uses a rear-vent brake, a 5-port stainless one, which replaces the big 3-port flat-face "TRG" type it had for years. My ear-plugged ears don't detect any change, nor does my wife who sits beside me in the buggy and it points directly at her.
The big coke-can ones on the Sako TRG's I have blow stuff off the bench, but there's more gas in a 300 or 338Lap with 100gns of powder.

I got two Sako 90 sporters, one a Hunter model without a brake, no thread, the other is a Peak that comes with a radial brake. The Peak is a lightweight mountain rifle, yet the felt recoil is insanely reduced, I cannot believe the things fire the same cartridge, especially considering the quite heavy walnut stocked Hunter with it's thicker barrel being so much heavier. Maybe it's not so heavy at all, the Peak is just insanely light.
Now, to fire the things in the field, I don't notice any difference in blast because I slip a pair of banded earbuds on first. I sneak around, so have the time. The radial brake seems to work way better than I expected, but it's a Sako-made thing matched to the rifle. The recoil however' makes the thing way easier to shoot off the bench testing loads.
My wife has the same lightweight rifle in 308, without a brake. The 308 really leaps, because it's so light, but she recons the braked 300 is like a pussycat.

My personal opinion is that shooters should be a bit more tolerant of the likes and dislikes of one another, and stick together. Guns are loud, man.

I love semi-auto hunting rifles, There were H&K's, Valmets, Browning BAR's, but when other people see them, they bag me out. It's got nothing to do with them not being sporting, it's all about the people with the negative opinions not being tolerant of others. And I know why that is too. It was the same in 1996, when I remember sitting down at Belmont having all these paper shooters telling me I was out of line in giving up what I had, and being critical of the Fudds who would never stick up for my personal choices. They couldn't care less, like the SSAA.

I loved my HSV's, how many times I recall people bagging me out saying "why do you need one of those things" yet they were picking their fat kids up from school in the latest highly-detailed Landcruiser wagon without one bug splat on it, and never went off a freeway. Kids less than a few km from home. 4WD's covered in the latest $35K ARB adds-on package. They can buy whatever elevates their fake status, but criticise others choices.

[Wapiti]

There will never be a scope on my Dirty-30, but I can see the purpose, especially trying to shoot as many pigs from a mob as possible.
For some reason, my conventional groove 20" staino barrel shoots fairy well, and all different ammo shoots much the same.
I have shot everything from 130-165 full loads and 165 casties from Trail Boss and 2207 pop-loads to full loads of 08.

Back to the unbraked 30-30's, I'm keen to try the 1-4x broken scope.
That's what a mate and i call scopes without an objective lens. Cos someone broke it off.
Nice slim 25mm tube, super-low turn-in Leupold rings, not stupid Pic-rail sections with clamp-ons that look like the story bridge is bolted on top. Nice and low.
There's nothing quicker than a 1x scope, and on 4x one can take some more precise shots.

I remember Nick Harvey being a big advocate of that, which at the time I thought was a bit fanciful, because I was using peep sights in the bush on Garands, M14's and L1A1's and had younger eyes then, and was more stubborn. How right he was, and it gets even more so as one's eyes age.
Anyway, I'll try and see.

[GQshayne]

I have a 1-6 on my BLR, and it is excellent in regards to field of view, and in turn target acquisition. I had a 2-7 wide angle before and the 1 power is a lot better. Just to satisfy curiousity, I would like to compare one of the 0.75's to it.

[Wapiti]

What's a 0.75 mate?
Yes on the 1X scope, both eyes open, and a good brand, the black ring around the eyepiece is almost un-noticeable and there's no parallax or irons to line up.
(unless it's a Zerotech 1-8 scope that is - a brick with 4" of parallax)
Unfortunately when you add an illuminated reticle everything gets bigger, and 30mm tubed.

On a small svelte Winchester, a 25mm tube Leupold 1-4x or a 1.5-5x is just right. Except for the latter not being a proper 1x.
The 30mm tubes are ridiculously oversized, IMHO.
Those Leupold models are not oversized on a slim rifle like the '94. On a bigger clubby Marlin they might not look so top heavy.

[Fester]

My other brush gun, the 20" Dicko has a red dot, but for some reason I have to shut the left eye to see clearly with that.
Same with the peep on the 30-30

A 1 power scope would no doubt be a big step up from looking through a red dot, handy for close shots with a spotlight, I would assume.
Just a bit of a luxury, and I found it good to just use 4-6 power and get onto targets under lights.
It all looked nice and clear.

I wouldn't want more than an inch tube, really, and it could affect fit and nice, quick shouldering with instant target acquisition.
I guess with 1 power, that would be no real issue.