how to remove rust from chamber shoulder

[FoxSpotter]

243 has presumed rust on shoulder.
Couldn't chamber a round.
Now I can
Have used a 30 cal chamber brush and some G96.
Have borescoped it and have video on YouTube.
As much as I can now chamber a round, the chamber shoulder doesn't look cleaner and will probably blossom out.

Option 1. Chemical
Dedicated rust removal product..that is safe to use.
.
Option 2. Physical .Make a wooden dowel with same or simalar shoulder angle and use steel wool or abrasives...carefully.

Advise?

[FoxSpotter]

Going to glue a 243 cartridge with head cut off onto a dowel then use abrasive on shoulder

[deye243]

Have had this problem several times in Chrome Molly barrels as I have exceptionally acitic sweat all I've ever done is wrapped steel wool around the jag that has the diamond pattern in it liberally oiled with a lightweight oil and just rotated the cleaning Rod by hand until rust is gone and then after every night of culling at a minimum chamber is oiled with a mop and then chamber and Barrel moped and patched before the next nights work

[deye243]

Going to glue a 243 cartridge with head cut off onto a dowel then use abrasive on shoulder

Don't do this over time you will alter headspace

[bigrich]

243 has presumed rust on shoulder.
Couldn't chamber a round.
Now I can
Have used a 30 cal chamber brush and some G96.
Have borescoped it and have video on YouTube.
As much as I can now chamber a round, the chamber shoulder doesn't look cleaner and will probably blossom out.

Option 1. Chemical
Dedicated rust removal product..that is safe to use.
.
Option 2. Physical .Make a wooden dowel with same or simalar shoulder angle and use steel wool or abrasives...carefully.

Advise?

i think your approach to simple common sensed fixes is good , but head spacing and chamber specs being out of shape would worry me . myself , if it's not a controlled feed rifle with a cut extractor groove , i'd take it to a smith and get the barrel set back and rechambered . if it's a well used barrel this might give it a new lease of life . just a thought . cheers

[Wapiti]

Have a go with the steel wool/mop idea with some abrasive paste or Autosol.
Go easy.

Unfortunately if you have rust in small pits, as is always generally the case, that may quite likely not be removed completely from these little pits however.
Problem with this is - rust keeps on going in that instance, unless it's completely removed and the moisture within powering it is all removed and replaced with an oil to keep the water/oxgen from re-entering that rust and continuing it.

I'm wondering about the rust remover idea. It's a good one to neutralise the rust that will be in the little pits, but do some research and make sure it does not remove steel - only it's oxides which rust is.

All the guys above make good points.
On the case rotated in the chamber with abrasive - Dye is spot on, take care. If you push the shoulder forward by removing the rust and it physically changes dimension, oh well, that's life.

Use your sizing die and make up for that by re-sizing cases JUST enough to rechamber... to fit whatever new chamber dimensions that result from your rust removal. If rust pits are not in the bore, there should be no accuracy issues.
Of course if this doesn't sit well with you, a re-chamber is pretty simple, although it will necessitate rethreading the barrel to set it back as well which takes some time to set up right using the original threads. Which costs.

[Jorlcrin]

Would the finest grade of 'JB Bore-Brite' on a rag and spun slowly with a cordless drill, do the job?

[FoxSpotter]

Job finished.
Was a learner curve.
Got no notifications for all of the above kind and helpful posts.
I ended up spinning JB on a case glued onto some dowel....with....a drill...briefly.
This basically did the trick.
Then..to clean up more..tried some valve grind paste..with drill...this immediate seized before damage could be done and snapped the dowel..lucky....it tapped out with a gentle knock from cleaning rod. .

I may well have to set up a chamber regime.
After a nights culling...running some patches of eliminator etc through the barrel is about all I can bare to do. Seems I should patch the chamber too... probably eliminator to clean, then alcohol mop before shooting.

I shall probably put some G96 in the chamber with the hope of soaking into the pitting and stop further rust.

The original barrel shoots so well I will definitely consider rechamberiing it when the time comes. And perhaps get a 22BR barrel as well.

Thanks for

[FoxSpotter]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSTW ... 9e7iTo7G1j

This is the playlist of bore cam and case on dowel.

Thanks.

[Fester]

Yeah, the chamber area is important, as you found out.
I use wooden chopsticks , always full, and half length ones on my bench.

The full one pushes an oily rag through the action and into the chamber.
I then place a corner of the rag in front of the chamber entrance, and the thin end of the chopstrick pushes it in and oils the area right up into the leads.

I once thought I could see something in the corner of that flat disc-type area, but my smith said I am seeing things.
Maybe it's a bead of the stuff manufacturers often use to be sure barrels never come loose; I have NFI what it actually is.
Borescopes can be bad. I found what looks a bit like a section of tiny weld in a barrel groove corner.
It must be some sort of defect from when they punched out the rifling grooves, and it's just a Friday Rossi.

A good tool for polishing out any carbon ring, starting with oil and xxxx steel wool, is the slotted jag to feed and wrap the bit of steel wool around. By hand or carefully using a drill works fine and is quicker.

[Wapiti]

Is that the Eliminator with the pigs head on the label?
I bought a bottle of that sh*t after listening to a gunshop bloke who probably never used it, and did my own trick with the Hoppes I always use, and left some in the bore to work overnight as the instructions said.

On the steel 6mm plate-topped workbench, there were a few drips, next morning they were orange rust patches !!!!
The bottle said I could use it to protect the bore!

If you're using that, I know why your chamber rusted.

[Wapiti]

This sh*t

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I freaked and immediately patched out the rifle I'd used it on, a $10K DTA SRS - and it had already started turning to rust in the bore. Luckily, no damage but if I left that Devils p*ss in there, the rifle would've been f**ked.
I'm sure there will be some that say "I've used that since my first born and nothing's happened like that" well I will never use that sh*t again. In fact, what a wanker I am for not chucking it already. It's kept for times like this.

[Fester]

The only thing that I would leave in a barrel for more than 20 minutes is the old harmless Hoppes # 9.

Both Bortech Eliminator and Wipe out Patch out, claim they are safe to leave in a barrel.
I clean them out with some spirit of any kind after cleaning.

They are the best 2 cleaners I have used, without needing to wear out bronze brushes to maint clean a barrel after shooting.

Patch out is prob the strongest, but I can clearly smell ammonia, or something similar.
Then the well-ventilated area warning.

Those Hrdy techs like Boretech for being safe to use, as they clean multiple barrels on a daily basis.
They would like effective cleaners rather than 100s of bronze brush strokes, doing it daily.

There is a cheapish cleaner, claimed to be effective, made in the Sydney north- western suburbs.
I traced them out, but postage doubled the price; that was pretty good, and they had no real site sales.
I think I later saw it at the RA shop; can't remember the name now.
You have to watch some gun shops, as they will often charge heaps for a tiny sample-sized bottle, when you can pay double for 4 times as much.

[GQshayne]

I have found that lanolin is an excellent neutralizer of rust. I have put it on corrosion and watched it slowly disappear. Safer than any chemical option.

[Fester]

Inox and Lanox are lanolin-based, from memory.

Often I get a blue patch when I run a dry patch through a barrel that was oiled with an Inox patch.
It must work as a cleaning oil.

I have all the products, but those exy cans will last a lifetime because a 4lt container of Inox does most of my rifle protection.
Got a spare, and the smellier, thicker Lanox before the $65 price was set to skyrocket.

[bigrich]

The only thing that I would leave in a barrel for more than 20 minutes is the old harmless Hoppes # 9.

Both Bortech Eliminator and Wipe out Patch out, claim they are safe to leave in a barrel.
I clean them out with some spirit of any kind after cleaning.

They are the best 2 cleaners I have used, without needing to wear out bronze brushes to maint clean a barrel after shooting.

Patch out is prob the strongest, but I can clearly smell ammonia, or something similar.
Then the well-ventilated area warning.

Those Hrdy techs like Boretech for being safe to use, as they clean multiple barrels on a daily basis.
They would like effective cleaners rather than 100s of bronze brush strokes, doing it daily.

There is a cheapish cleaner, claimed to be effective, made in the Sydney north- western suburbs.
I traced them out, but postage doubled the price; that was pretty good, and they had no real site sales.
I think I later saw it at the RA shop; can't remember the name now.
You have to watch some gun shops, as they will often charge heaps for a tiny sample-sized bottle, when you can pay double for 4 times as much.

i also use boretech eliminator . i've found it to be the best i've used . like you , i also use a spirit to clean out the boretech after use , allowing to dry before patching will oil . a fella at rebel gun works put me onto using shellite to get rid of cleaners , after a episode years ago , where i'd used sweets and hadn't got all of it out . borescope revealed the bottom and sides of the rifling lands eaten out in the barrel. boretech is a non ammonia product , which is not supposed to effect rifle barrels . the biggest thing though , is to use a nylon brush and a aluminium jag , otherwise you will still get a blue cleaning patch as it will give a false indication due to using a brass jag or bronze brush .

don't throw that boretech out wapiti , i'll take it off your hands next time i'm down your way . cheers

[bigrich]

I have found that lanolin is an excellent neutralizer of rust. I have put it on corrosion and watched it slowly disappear. Safer than any chemical option.

especially for long term storage , lanolin is the best thing there is in my opinion

[Wapiti]

Hopefully the others reading this take something from the discussions above, that is
I have used that Eliminator, posted a pic as proof that I have the sh*t, and on guns I use quite a lot it does not work any better than the good old Hoppes9, and in fact Hoppes Black is way faster.
People do have to justify their purchases with whatever they need to use personally, I will look at the plus/minus and effectiveness.

Eliminator can destroy your rifle if you don't remove all traces of it - to me that's ridiculous, because on high round use semi-autos this stuff isn't any better for fouling removal- for my humble guns it's 2nd class. That's where the real good stuff shines.

None of those need to be white spirited out as precaution to rust, to me that's insane as the stuff aint that great. PLUS you can leave the Hoppes in as a preservative and it keeps working to remove the last stubborn deposits as you get on with life. If you have that time to do all those extra steps with the Boretech great but don't miss a bit in the corner of a chamber shoulder!

I don't deliberately set out to be hang my arse out and be different as an argument, I just don't want to see people wreck their gear because they believe the lies on a label and think they have the latest greatest when they do not - that's a tragedy to me. Good luck with your rifles fellas.

[Damo300]

Is that the Eliminator with the pigs head on the label?
I bought a bottle of that sh*t after listening to a gunshop bloke who probably never used it, and did my own trick with the Hoppes I always use, and left some in the bore to work overnight as the instructions said.

On the steel 6mm plate-topped workbench, there were a few drips, next morning they were orange rust patches !!!!
The bottle said I could use it to protect the bore!

If you're using that, I know why your chamber rusted.

A quick check of the SDS reveals that is just glycine and water.
The water would be the cause of you're rusting.

https://www.scribd.com/document/497202544/eliminator-bore-cleaner-security-data

May as well throw the gun in a bubble bath overnight.

Cortina uses CLR clear...
Then he doesn't....


I get great results with G96, and it's also my go to deoderant....

[Fester]

G96 is my fav of all the exy gun lube oils. I grab that can for the shotty ejectors and lube in bolts and stuff.

The water-based info is interesting, likely why it smells safe, unlike Patch Out.
Even Hoppes#9 had to add something effective, as the yanks banned the component it originally added to the mix.

I have never done anything with water, like blokes used to do with barrels.
My smith does a water bath method to remove rust.
I guess it's like the chemicals that will actually remove some copper.
It would need a thorough clean-out, and missing a small corner could lead to rust.
If you pick it at the first orange stain, all good; it beats leaving it until irreversible pitting.

I mainly use nylon brushes, and that trick of re-activating the chemicals with the brush.
Suits my cleanining methods, do another rifle, 10 minute soaks.

I also got shelite last time after white spirit was my norm.
I also use the chopsticks and clean old sheet rags to not miss a small corner; same with the Inox protectant.

Semi-type actions do have their downside, and bolt actions sure are simple and easy to clean.

[bigrich]

Hopefully the others reading this take something from the discussions above, that is
I have used that Eliminator, posted a pic as proof that I have the sh*t, and on guns I use quite a lot it does not work any better than the good old Hoppes9, and in fact Hoppes Black is way faster.
People do have to justify their purchases with whatever they need to use personally, I will look at the plus/minus and effectiveness.

Eliminator can destroy your rifle if you don't remove all traces of it - to me that's ridiculous, because on high round use semi-autos this stuff isn't any better for fouling removal- for my humble guns it's 2nd class. That's where the real good stuff shines.

None of those need to be white spirited out as precaution to rust, to me that's insane as the stuff aint that great. PLUS you can leave the Hoppes in as a preservative and it keeps working to remove the last stubborn deposits as you get on with life. If you have that time to do all those extra steps with the Boretech great but don't miss a bit in the corner of a chamber shoulder!

I don't deliberately set out to be hang my arse out and be different as an argument, I just don't want to see people wreck their gear because they believe the lies on a label and think they have the latest greatest when they do not - that's a tragedy to me. Good luck with your rifles fellas.

i don't doubt your experiences with the bottle of bore tech you have , your a very astute no nonsense fella . the bore tech i have works well , and i've had no issues. the labelling on your bottle looks different to mine , maybe it's a earlier batch that they've since changed the formula on , or maybe it's just a "brumby" due to poor QC . i know they changed the ingredients of "hoppes No9" years ago . thank christ you saved your rifle from rust . i'll do a experiment with the batch i have and see what results i get . cheers

[Fester]

It could also pay to invert the bottle a few times to ensure these miraculous products mix properly.
Imagine if the water stayed on the top, and you use an eyedropper, like this tight ass, I cringe at the thought of just tipping the exy blend onto my bench from a poor pourer bottle.

It may have been written on the Patch out bottle but long forgotten about.
When I heard the importer may have stopped bringing it in, I bought a spare bottle, as they are a fair bit smaller than Boretech bottles.

[GQshayne]

I have some Bore Tec stuff, and would never leave it or any other solvent in there for anything more than minutes. I also like the use of something else like shellite etc, I use brake cleaner. I find it is a short cut when putting patches through.It cleans very quickly, then I move on.

When I am finished, I like to use good old fashioned gun oil down the bore.

[Fester]

Carby/throttle body cleaner will clean a .22 quicker than anything else I have used to keep on top of the dreaded carbon ring.
It's effective at melting hard carbon, but has to be safe in the alloy bits it gets sprayed in.

Inox seems to also clean the rimfires between the odd #9 clean.

What the borescope taught me is nothing, apart from maybe abrasive paste will get all the copper out of a factory barrel that shoots some rounds at targets. I went 5-6 times once and still had colour at the muzzle end, not that it needs to ever come out, back to bare metal.

I got the Boretech copper remover, which was a bit of a waste of money.
The Eliminator seems to be just as effective, so I hardly ever touch the copper remover.
Carbon is the enemy, rather than copper.

[FoxSpotter]

This sh*t

absoluteshit.jpg

I freaked and immediately patched out the rifle I'd used it on, a $10K DTA SRS - and it had already started turning to rust in the bore. Luckily, no damage but if I left that Devils p*ss in there, the rifle would've been f**ked.
I'm sure there will be some that say "I've used that since my first born and nothing's happened like that" well I will never use that sh*t again. In fact, what a wanker I am for not chucking it already. It's kept for times like this.

Yep
That stuff.
I like it.
But... occasionally I get a bit of orange..but..also the same thing happens at times with G96 and lanolin...it really drives me beserk...sounds like you had a terible experience...sometimes I wonder if the rusty patch is a sign it's actually removed rust..
I do find rust very concerning if I find it as I'm pretty strict with my regime

[FoxSpotter]

My gunshop guy said bore tech was not water based.
I leaned it has only temporary rust protection and only use their products over night.
Once a session has finished and storage is required...then lanolin.
Did use mx3 for awhile..and wondered after a few months why some rust..then told that it evaporates off slowly...so lanoline for storage.
Possum hollow bore guides are what I use. Usually this keeps stuff out of the chamber... usually.
I guess this is how the 243 got it's rust now. Boretech flowback.
I try to do things well...of course...it's a learning curve.
At this stage I may continue to boretech (sorry wapiti) and also travel with Alcohol (or white spirit as I learnt here) to remove bore tech.
How to keep the chamber rust protected but not oiled? I guess just shoot it dry and clean, ie cleaned with alcohol before a shoot, then apply a cleaner or lanolin in-between.
Might (will) need to start an assorted of chamber mops and brushes and rods to apply and remove treatments without fussing about too much.

Appreciate all the contributions.
Thanks.

[tuknal]

Is that the Eliminator with the pigs head on the label?
I bought a bottle of that sh*t after listening to a gunshop bloke who probably never used it, and did my own trick with the Hoppes I always use, and left some in the bore to work overnight as the instructions said.

On the steel 6mm plate-topped workbench, there were a few drips, next morning they were orange rust patches !!!!
The bottle said I could use it to protect the bore!

If you're using that, I know why your chamber rusted.

A quick check of the SDS reveals that is just glycine and water.
The water would be the cause of you're rusting.

https://www.scribd.com/document/497202544/eliminator-bore-cleaner-security-data

May as well throw the gun in a bubble bath overnight.

Cortina uses CLR clear...
Then he doesn't....


I get great results with G96, and it's also my go to deoderant....

cortina did
then he did a backflip ,,think his barrel sponsor's pulled him up

ive used eliminator soley for the past 5/6 yrs and havent noticed any issues and ive spilled plent on the steel workbench ,,,BUT i did have a new howa (stainless) rust inside the action in 2mth of owning it ???? was replaced tho and nothing like that has happened again

[bigrich]

My gunshop guy said bore tech was not water based.
I leaned it has only temporary rust protection and only use their products over night.
Once a session has finished and storage is required...then lanolin.
Did use mx3 for awhile..and wondered after a few months why some rust..then told that it evaporates off slowly...so lanoline for storage.
Possum hollow bore guides are what I use. Usually this keeps stuff out of the chamber... usually.
I guess this is how the 243 got it's rust now. Boretech flowback.
I try to do things well...of course...it's a learning curve.
At this stage I may continue to boretech (sorry wapiti) and also travel with Alcohol (or white spirit as I learnt here) to remove bore tech.
How to keep the chamber rust protected but not oiled? I guess just shoot it dry and clean, ie cleaned with alcohol before a shoot, then apply a cleaner or lanolin in-between.
Might (will) need to start an assorted of chamber mops and brushes and rods to apply and remove treatments without fussing about too much.

Appreciate all the contributions.
Thanks.

lot of opinions on barrel cleaning mate , everyone's got their own methods and ideas . the best thing to take away from all this is i use shellite to remove all traces of ANY barrel solvents i use and oil the barrel after cleaning . i use balistol oil , which was developed during the first world war by german military, and is also useful as a leather softener, wood conditioner and antiseptic apparently. i've no doubt this probably dries out over time , so lanolin is definitely better for long term storage ,but i imagine a real bugger to remove . i put some bore tech on the 416 stainless knox cut off from a rebarrel i had done, and a mag spring from a mauser 98 i replaced . no adverse results yet after 24hrs . just sayin', if it were me i'd probably get the barrel of your rifle set back and the chamber recut , rust gone . maybe get the receiver trued and the crown redone while the smiths got it too . but that's me , i'm a little OCD

as another poster said G96 smells great and should be marketed as a aftershave

but on the net i've read 'cos G96 is petroleum based it eats timber stocks .. .

[FoxSpotter]

I do the ocd thing a bit too.
I have taken away to wipe out with "shellite" or alcohol to remove cleaner.
With lanolin I just run a patch through before shooting.
Pretty sure an alcohol patch certainly clear it.

I might spray some G96 near my non wooden collar if I get a next date.

Kroil has my attention...but not available in Australia due to import issue...can't make this stuff up.
With barrel cleaning I'm mostly concerned about carbon build up as that's a bugger to remove..but use eliminator to try keep bore in consistent condition by preventing copper build up...so...I'm basically permanently breaking in my barrel
Shoot..clean...shoot ..clean..

[mchughcb]

Very interesting about the comments about boretech . Ive noticed some rust recently in difficult to clean areas and ive been using boretech eliminator for a while. Ill make an effort to clean more thoroughly.