Senate hearing on gun violence - Audio / Video

[Aster]

Listen to the Senate tards seeking excuses to take our guns.....mongrels

Listen here


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Senate, Legal & Constitutional Affairs References Committee (The ability of Australian law enforcement authorities to eliminate gun-related violence in the community (Sydney, NSW))


or this, second on the program;
http://www.aph.gov.au/News_and_Events/Watch_Parliament

[veep]

Am I missing something with the cast?

Says it's streaming to me but I'm getting silence?

[Supporter]

Should be a transcript soon if you missed it hopefully.

[Vati]

Either the stream is buggered or I'm too late too, nothing?

[Westy]

Elevator music this end

[cavok]

In the end we made our submissions, let the hearing take its course, of the submissions made, 95% where by pro gun enthusiasts, we made our points well. The submissions where made by doctors, solicitors, members of parliament and clubs, but most where made by individuals. I am speaking of those made public. We needed to elect made public. I am informed that near 300 submissions where made, the hearings will deal with what was said. As to the findings, let the Greens rot.

[MeccaOz]

VIDEO Senate inquiry into firearms begins

http://tenplay.com.au/news/national/201 ... rms-begins

[FuzzyM]

Good work Greens..... Just ban the legal ones...... Sigh.

[MeccaOz]

Good work Greens..... Just ban the legal ones...... Sigh.

lol, I liked how that didnt go down so well in the enquiry

[cavok]

Good to see Paul Britton in there at the inquiry batting for us, great bloke, as the news clip names him I find him there encouraging.

[Monty]

Merge the audio and video versions of this topic.

[1290]

This hearing is actually a good thing, I've turned......

The facts that we are well aware of as firearm owners will be burnt into the hansard, including Vicpols statement yesterday and responses to questions;
48,000 handguns registered in VIC
6 Handguns stolen last year
0 (zero) used in crime.

Go Hard guys!

[cavok]

This hearing is actually a good thing, I've turned......

The facts that we are well aware of as firearm owners will be burnt into the hansard, including Vicpols statement yesterday and responses to questions;
48,000 handguns registered in VIC
6 Handguns stolen last year
0 (zero) used in crime.

Go Hard guys!

Unfortunately NSW appears to be where most firearms are stolen, and the figure has been growing, that is the worry. Only thing I can't work out is how our addresses and certain types of firearms are identified for theft, will not believe random selection.

[Westy]

This hearing is actually a good thing, I've turned......

The facts that we are well aware of as firearm owners will be burnt into the hansard, including Vicpols statement yesterday and responses to questions;
48,000 handguns registered in VIC
6 Handguns stolen last year
0 (zero) used in crime.

Go Hard guys!

Unfortunately NSW appears to be where most firearms are stolen, and the figure has been growing, that is the worry. Only thing I can't work out is how our addresses and certain types of firearms are identified for theft, will not believe random selection.

Inside job for sure!!!It only takes 1 bad apple a they say

[portph]

48,000 handguns registered in VIC
6 Handguns stolen last year
0 (zero) used in crime.

Suck it greens

[Seconds]

Only thing I can't work out is how our addresses and certain types of firearms are identified for theft, will not believe random selection.

Conspiracy theories aside, logically the info has to be coming out of the registry at some point in the system. It's not going to be one rogue gun store employee committing all the firearms thefts in the state isit.

If not now, then it happened when the registry was stored on that unsecure system for 18 months and was open to access by a lot of people who shouldn't have had it.

Somewhere out there there is probably a long printout of firearm storages in someones desk draw.

[1290]

If I was a betting type, I'd be putting the money on the chance that around this nation there are many copies of many list in many drawers of many different groups..... human nature and all, when there's information that is sought after, someone is prepared to pay and someones prepared to sell.

Vicpol also made reference to firearm thefts and/or trends thereof in the western district of Victoria. In the Senate hearing they were not prepared to elaborate on why there was a trend there. I'm wondering, more so concerned that these are related and thats a reason why the connection can not go on the public record!

[Bourt]

This hearing is actually a good thing, I've turned......

I didn't see that coming

[1290]

neither did I.....

>This is the transcript for the first day of the hearing, 13/10/2014< {64 page pdf file}


>Second day transcript here, 14/10/2014<


>This is the hearing index page, second and future day transcript will appear here< {Program and submissions here too}

[veep]

Vicpol also made reference to firearm thefts and/or trends thereof in the western district of Victoria. In the Senate hearing they were not prepared to elaborate on why there was a trend there. I'm wondering, more so concerned that these are related and thats a reason why the connection can not go on the public record!

Yeah that's crap.

They're always on us about our guns and security blah blah and when it goes wrong they won't tell anyone the what/where/when/why.

Either someone screwed the pooch after all their preaching and some info got out. Or if that's not the case, give us some info anyway so people can prepare accordingly.

If you're in an area getting targeted tell us so we can make arrangements if we're going away, things like that.

[Baronvonrort]

neither did I.....

>This is the transcript for the first day of the hearing< {64 page pdf file}

>This is the hearing index page, second and future day transcript will appear here< {Program and submissions here too}

Thanks for those links, it's good to see the Pistol owner Senator David Leyonhjelm getting to ask some questions, it almost reminds me of David Oldfield from One Nation taking on Green senator Lee Riahannon in NSW parliament,David and his wife Lisa were pistol shooters.

It was good to hear only 6 pistols from 48,000 registered pistols were stolen, a kick in the nuts for the greens who claim otherwise.

On page 41 of the document (not what pdf says) Det C S Finch said 90% of all gun crimes were done with pistols,he also said law abiding firearm owners were not the problem later on.

Peter Whelan who made a submission is involved with the shooters union in NSW.

Another thing that came out if you are from NSW and passing through the ACT they have different laws for transporting guns so be aware to avoid confiscation.

[1290]

Det. Supt De Santo: We have come down from 800 in the 2011-12 period to 500 in the last period. That is where I drew the correlation with the establishment of Polaris in Sydney; it possibly drove those looking for firearms down into Victoria. There is certain intelligence that I cannot share in this forum that indicates why certain parts of western Victoria were targeted, and I think we have 770,000 registered firearms in Victoria, so there are quite a few out there.

[Chickenhawk]

On page 41 of the document (not what pdf says) Det C S Finch said 90% of all gun crimes were done with pistols,he also said law abiding firearm owners were not the problem later on.

+1

[1290]

Added 2nd day transcript up there^
>edit to add - here too<

That Roland Brownstain, what a piece of #$%^..... I missed his appearance, didnt realise he appeared by teleconference, either he didnt have the nads to appear in the presence of honest people, firearm owners, or his national organisation with 2 members, three if you include the fax machine now that the two anti organisations have combined forces.... couldnt scrape enough coin together for the ferry crossing.


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a pearl from the hearing;


Senator LEYONHJELM: Mr Browne, I am interested in a couple of points you made in your submission. First of all, can you tell me how many people are in your organisation?

Mr Browne: I do not see that that question is relevant to the terms of this inquiry, and I object to it.

Senator McKENZIE: You do not have a right to reject the question.

CHAIR: You can choose to answer it or not, though, I think. You cannot make someone answer a question if they—

Senator McKENZIE: On what grounds are you objecting to answering the question?

Mr Browne: That it is beyond the terms of the inquiry.

CHAIR: Generally, on the terms of the inquiry, we in the Senate tend to take a broad approach to the terms of reference. 'And any other matters' is a standard reference in a committee reference by the Senate. In a sense, I do not think you can be required to answer the question, but it is a question that is appropriate to be asked and can be asked.

Mr Browne: Well, I am not going to answer the question.

Senator LEYONHJELM: All right. I am just curious because there seems to be profound ignorance in your organisation. I am just wondering whether it is you or it goes beyond you.


classic.

[Bourt]

All right. I am just curious because there seems to be profound ignorance in your organisation. I am just wondering whether it is you or it goes beyond you.

Aha ha ha ha.

Awesome.

[cavok]

Added 2nd day transcript up there^

That Roland Brownstain, what a piece of #$%^..... I missed his appearance, didnt realise he appeared by teleconference, either he didnt have the nads to appear in the presence of honest people, firearm owners, or his national organisation with 2 members, three if you include the fax machine now that the two anti organisations have combined forces.... couldnt scrape enough coin together for the ferry crossing.


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a pearl from the hearing;


Senator LEYONHJELM: Mr Browne, I am interested in a couple of points you made in your submission. First of all, can you tell me how many people are in your organisation?

Mr Browne: I do not see that that question is relevant to the terms of this inquiry, and I object to it.

Senator McKENZIE: You do not have a right to reject the question.

CHAIR: You can choose to answer it or not, though, I think. You cannot make someone answer a question if they—

Senator McKENZIE: On what grounds are you objecting to answering the question?

Mr Browne: That it is beyond the terms of the inquiry.

CHAIR: Generally, on the terms of the inquiry, we in the Senate tend to take a broad approach to the terms of reference. 'And any other matters' is a standard reference in a committee reference by the Senate. In a sense, I do not think you can be required to answer the question, but it is a question that is appropriate to be asked and can be asked.

Mr Browne: Well, I am not going to answer the question.

Senator LEYONHJELM: All right. I am just curious because there seems to be profound ignorance in your organisation. I am just wondering whether it is you or it goes beyond you.


classic.

Thank you for sharing this, I missed it and what you posted is brilliant and we all needed to see this. Yes it is classic.

[Warrigul]

Unfortunately NSW appears to be where most firearms are stolen, and the figure has been growing, that is the worry. Only thing I can't work out is how our addresses and certain types of firearms are identified for theft, will not believe random selection.

You only need two or three bits of info and you can track virtually anyone on the internet. I've seen it so often when people use say for instance photobucket and register their user name as their real name or do dealings through facebook, as I am a registered business I subscribe to creditwatch and there have been a few people I have decided to not trade with simply based on their credit rating and the amount of ABN's they have(sure some have legitimate reasons for multiple ABN's and variations on their names and initials but why would I take a chance on someone with two bankruptcies seven ABN's and four variations on their name?). I have avoided quite a few bad debts by a bit of simple research.

A phone number will usually yield an address due to the availability of reverse directory, which gives you a last name and you usually know their first name and it all goes downhill from there. It is amazing the amount of idiots who post that they shot at such and such gunclub using such and such and even post photos. If you have ever bought or sold a house your name and address are there for all who know what to look for to see. I don't do it very often as it is a bit creepy and I don't really want to know the details.

I have noticed a trend in shooting journals to only list the first name and initial, this is not a bad idea but there is already so much data out there that pops up when googled.

Protect yourself:

Use a GMail email with no connection to your real name

NEVER use your real name on the internet

Never give anyone your real date of birth

Never use a photo uploader with our real name

Never use the landline to call someone you don't know

Those free prize draws in shopping centers- many are data gatherers

Don't allow your name to be published in the local paper shooting results

Be aware that URL's are available to websites, have a cutout if you doubt someones validity.

Sorry to sound paranoid but I have a mate who once demonstrated how easy it was to legally track people on the internet, especially now most newspapers have online versions.

You know I joined GETUP just to get some warning about their campaigns, as Christine Milne (not the name I used but similar) I am still getting notices sent to the Gmail account in her name.


Internet security probably deserves a seperate thread.

Just remember- "Just because you are paranoid that doesn't automatically mean that you are not being followed"

[cavok]

Thank you for your excellent coverage of security and what few steps we can take to protect our identity.

A cookie must be awarded here. We can all learn from great posts like this and keep a little more secure than previously.

Thanks,

[ailar]

Be aware that URL's are available to websites, have a cutout if you doubt someones validity.

Huh? Lost me there.

[1290]

This Friday, 31/10, is the last of the 3 days of this gun fest, diarise it!

.....I heard theyre convening at a Canberra range for a spot of Cowboy shootin'.