Rifle storage with bolt in (NSW)

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I haven't been able to find any concrete info on this but as far as I know it's OK to store your rifle with the bolt in as long as it's not in transit. Once it's in the safe no problem. Di I have that right? If not I don't really like the idea of having the firing pin spring under tension, cock on opening rifles only of course.
JD

[Silver87]

In NSW's there is no requirement to have the bolt removed for storage or transport, that is what I've been told and a quick look on the firearms registry website confirms.

[bigfellascott]

They can stay in in NSW for both storage and transport, however I remove mine in both instances.

[handofcod]

In VIC, I store and travel with bolt in.

[halberg]

From the SSAA website for you.

The ACT and Queensland legislation requires that bolt-action rifles are to have the bolt removed for storage in a safe storage facility. The ACT legislation says that this bolt must then be stored separately from the rifle. In New South Wales, South Australia, Victoria, Western Australia and Tasmania, there is no requirement within the legislation for individuals.

[Hadoku]

Here is a fact sheet from NSW Police too on A/B requirements.

Nothing about the bolt

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/ass ... h_2012.pdf

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Had my inspection, bolts in, no problem.

[headspace]

Thanks for the response men, I was aware that the bolt had to be removed or a trigger lock fitted for transport in NSW, just wasn't certain about storage because I couldn't see any mention of it in the laws.

Cheers,
John

[halberg]

[RDobber]

Thanks for the response men, I was aware that the bolt had to be removed or a trigger lock fitted for transport in NSW, just wasn't certain about storage because I couldn't see any mention of it in the laws.

Legislation aside not bad practice to remove them and stick them in your ammo compartment if you've got one (and not a tonne of bolts).

One more layer of security between a crim and a working firearm if they have to get through 2 layers.

IMO.

Edited: Store the bolt in an empty ammo compartment

See here - viewtopic.php?f=10&p=44632#p44632

[mausermate]

Yes, totally agree with most.

I see it a bit like having car with no keys. "Won't work without them".

It may not be law but it sure as hell makes it hard to steal or have unauthorized use.

[Arth]

One of the guys on the old forum had a rifle or two stolen out of his boot.

Had the bolts in the glove box though.

Think he might still have gotten in some trouble but at least the ****** that took them only have a pair of cricket bats for now.

[sbd3927]

Legislation aside not bad practice to remove them and stick them in your ammo compartment if you've got one (and not a tonne of bolts).

I'm not so sure that's a good idea. During my firearm safety course, the Victorian copper was stressing that a part of a firearm counts as a firearm under law. He even claimed a portion of sawn off barrel counted as a firearm, not so sure on that.

However since a bolt of a firearm, is a firearm.. storing it with ammo breaks the rules about keeping ammunition separate from firearms. I think its ridiculous, but that's the letter of the law and a pedantic inspector could get his knickers in a twist over it. Taking it further would mean ammunition in a magazine, locked in a separate ammo box, equals a loaded firearm, but I'd be happy to go to court on that one.


Re transport and bolt, bolt removal is for C, D & H, not A/B Unless the vehicle is to be left unnatended, then they need to be stored as per CD&H
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/ass ... h_2012.pdf

[RoginaJack]

QUEENSLAND - Had my inspection earlier in the week, Bolts out, mag. removed no worries

Cheers,

[deye243]

The ACT and Queensland legislation requires that bolt-action rifles are to have the bolt removed for storage in a safe storage facility. The ACT legislation says that this bolt must then be stored separately from the rifle. In New South Wales, South Australia, Victoria, Western Australia and Tasmania, there is no requirement within the legislation for individuals.


so if you have a BA rifle you have to pull it apart to store and transport but lever and

pump oh that's ok just go's to show you that you have to be a complete moron to in

act laws .....

[RDobber]

I'm not so sure that's a good idea. During my firearm safety course, the Victorian copper was stressing that a part of a firearm counts as a firearm under law. He even claimed a portion of sawn off barrel counted as a firearm, not so sure on that.

However since a bolt of a firearm, is a firearm.. storing it with ammo breaks the rules about keeping ammunition separate from firearms. I think its ridiculous, but that's the letter of the law and a pedantic inspector could get his knickers in a twist over it. Taking it further would mean ammunition in a magazine, locked in a separate ammo box, equals a loaded firearm, but I'd be happy to go to court on that one.

For f***s sake...

I hear your point and you're probably right, on a technically it could count as storing a firearm and ammunition together in some states

I guess my suggestion depends on your safe and own requirements then... My safe has 2 internal ammo compartments. 1 has my bolts, mags, license and other paraphernalia in it, and the other has ammo. So that's all above board as it happens.

Won't work for anyone with one compartment though.

You'd think it would be a no brainer to lock your bolt up separately. Pat on the back. Instead it's a criminal offence in some states

Sorry, not ranting at you, just reminder me how stupid half our laws are.

[RoginaJack]

I'd suggest that if the police found a sawn off rifle barrel during an inspection, it wouldn't matter if it was counted as a firearm or not. You'd be counted as collared!

[deye243]

well i'm collared then i have bits of barrel here all over the place there just bit's of pipe until i chamber them

and the short pieces i use to make proper bullet comparators

[mahna]

I'd suggest that if the police found a sawn off rifle barrel during an inspection, it wouldn't matter if it was counted as a firearm or not. You'd be counted as collared!

I think you misread that.

He's not saying a sawn off barrel, he's saying the off cut from a legally shortened barrel is counted as a firearm, according to the copper.

[RoginaJack]

Ah, I see, I think....

[sbd3927]

I'd suggest that if the police found a sawn off rifle barrel during an inspection, it wouldn't matter if it was counted as a firearm or not. You'd be counted as collared!

I think you misread that.

He's not saying a sawn off barrel, he's saying the off cut from a legally shortened barrel is counted as a firearm, according to the copper.

That's right, he even held up some 1"& 4" pieces of barrel as he made the point. Personally I don't think that logic can hold up, because it cannot be assembled with other components, but it would definitely apply to a replacement barrel, bolt etc.

... found the definition

S. 3(1) def. of firearm amended by Nos 22/1998 s. 4(d) , 28/2003 s. 3(1)(f), 50/2007 s. 3(1)(f), 52/2010 s. 3(1)(c), 12/2012 s. 7(2).

"firearm" means any device, whether or not assembled or in parts—

(a) which is designed or adapted, or is capable of being modified, to discharge shot or a bullet or other missile by the expansion of gases produced in the device by the ignition of strongly combustible materials or by compressed air or other gases, whether stored in the device in pressurised containers or produced in the device by mechanical means; and

(b) whether or not operable or complete or temporarily or permanently inoperable or incomplete—

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/fa1996102/s3.html#firearm Definition firearm
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/fa1996102/s121.html Victorian Firearms Act 1996

Capable of being modified is one for the courts I guess, they used to make rifles out of truck axles

[Norton]

Stupid laws are hard to understand, we know