Anti-vaccine cretin gets schooled

[KWhorenet]

righto redrum.
if you re read don't tell me it is so obvious.

[pajamatime]

You're not going to do it "for me"?

You've got it backwards mate. It's your assertion, your burden of proof.

I'm not doing the research for you.

I guess we'll leave it at that.

Edit: actually here is a wall of text that may help you understand the world you live in? http://www.globalresearch.ca/fluoride-k ... ly/5360397

I'm not here to convince you or prove anything.
I'm fancinated by the game! I don't have the beliefs of antis or the pros...it actually serves my "belief" better to not warn, assist and teach.
I analyse people, their reactions to something that challenges their program and the hold corporations have over you and the information they spoon feed you.

I will warn only because I believe everyone deserves the same chance to understand the times we live in and how they can reduce the possibility of becoming a victim of it but thats it.
nothing is a burden here for me.

go about your business. And don't forget make sure you drink lots of water (make sure its tap) and don't forget to vaccinate. ease the tension, ease the tension, go back to sleep now. lol

No hate. Happy to have a mature conversation with folks of different opinions. Certain people appear incapable of that on this subject however...

On your comments:

1) I never said vaccines have a 100% success rate (nor has anyone else I've ever seen in favour of them while we're on the subject).

2) We're of course not talking about "the" vaccine here. There are many diseases which modern medicine has have varying levels of success in immunizing against.

3) There are different vaccines with varying levels of efficacy, benefits or potential risk. The risk range from significant, to minimal to all but not existant.

4) That "the human immune system is far more capable and complex then our pharmaceutical buddies give it credit for" is irrelevant for this conversation. Acknowledging the capabilities of the immune system while burying our heads in the sand over it's short comings and weaknesses is not a solution, that hundreds of thousands of people are infected of and die of diseases, both preventable and unpreventable each year is a testament to this. As I was not asserting that vaccines are 100%, I'm sure you're not foolish enough to assert that the human immune system is 100% either.

5) People with existing diseases or compromised immune systems may not benefit in the same way, or at all from vaccines, or be prevented entirely from being given them as can be the case with attenuated vaccines.

6) Regarding your comment "A much more realistic statement would be something along the lines of..."vaccination could potentially assist the immune system in irradicating a virus but its not a Miracle in a vial and it can and has failed to work in the past but we hope it works for you"

While you've phrased that in a reasonably flexible way I would say you've greatly understated facts to tip things in favour of your view point. I would say a more realist statement is "in the majority of cases vaccination provides great assistants to the immune system in inoculating against or reducing the risk of catching a disease and it's severity."

As above, no one said ALL vaccines are 100% safe and proven. Anyone who does gives themselves as little credibility as those who argue ALL vaccines are bad or unnecessary.

On a case by case basis it's perfectly reasonable to research (looking up memes on the net doesn't count) and seek medical advice on a particular vaccines. Find out the pros and cons, risks and benefits, and decide if you will or won't proceed.

It's an imperfect situation, but ultimately people have to come down on one side or the other. You're vaccinated or you're not, you will vaccinate your kids, or you wont. There is no fence sitting position. On balance, vaccination does great good while acknowledging it's shortcomings (assuming you can have a rational conversation) and is backed by scientifically proven and empirical evidence.

A staunch 'anti-vaccination' policy against anything and everything does harm and is backed by anecdotal evidence at best.

I doubt 99.99% of the staunch anti-vaxxers have ever been anywhere near the worst parts Africa or South East Asia (I have) and seen first hand the diseases the vaccinations they're fighting against could prevent. I suspect their opinions would changed if they ever did. But life is good in the burbs, right? Better to argue their case from the safety and comfort of home.

(All of the above is expressed hate free )

You know what, I like you. ( friend way )

But I'm not here to argue evidence.

I'm a big picture kinda guy and while "science" has potential it is too easily corrupted in this day and age to lean on to any great extent.

If you got the money and or the connections to buy it, Science is what ever you want it to be.

I hope I don't offend. Food for thought perhaps?

[brett1868]

A relevant article in the media I found this morning...

http://www.health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8953550

[Noisydad]

Brett you might be able to yell louder than your wife but can you do , "the silent treatment " as well as she can?

[brett1868]

Brett you might be able to yell louder than your wife but can you do , "the silent treatment " as well as she can?

Being male I don't feel the need to flap my lips incessantly like my wife does so in this case I'd have to say I can kick her backside in being silent

[redrum]

righto redrum.

if you re read don't tell me it is so obvious.

Whatever. I was just making a joke and somehow we got to this

It's not important.

[Kipper]

go about your business. And don't forget make sure you drink lots of water (make sure its tap) and don't forget to vaccinate.

I'm on it

[schink]

You know what, I like you. ( friend way )

FRIENDZOOOOONED!

[melanie]

I hope I don't offend. Food for thought perhaps?

None taken or intended.

Like I said always happy to have a mature discussion, regardless of differences.

[pajamatime]

A relevant article in the media I found this morning...

http://www.health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8953550

you know fully vaccinated communities have been struck down by measles as well right?

Edit: so is it really that relevent or do you think its just a for show biased questionable peice of journalism?
do you think its a possibility that to improve their bottom line the vaccine industry is just trying to protect their products?
do you ever sometimes think you feel like your brains wraped in bulls**t and you are being suckered through fear into thinking You or your kids will die if you do not vaccinate?

lets get to the my point, I'm not here to attack vaccines I'm here to help people understand to a extent we are being manipulated it just happens to be a topic on vaccines.
They only include pro vaccine news but they never include the 15, 5, 10 kids that died shortly after vaccination type stories? they never include the stories about fully vaccinated communities getting the exact disease they were vaccinated against? I mean seriously we are lafos surely we know how the game works right? how do they manipulate the population against us lafos? false data, biased reporting and defamation against good people who do nothing wrong.


pewpew http://www.naturalnews.com/038812_vacci ... icals.html

I hope I don't offend. Food for thought perhaps?

None taken or intended.

Like I said always happy to have a mature discussion, regardless of differences.

People get so angry, believe it or not I have had pretty spicy discussions (not so mature) with anti vaccine peeps as well.
I start off with some food for thought and well someone somewhere misinterprets me as "attacking". Both sides of the argument have their fair share but you are a breath of fresh air. thank you for that.

You know what, I like you. ( friend way )

FRIENDZOOOOONED!

lol oh noz

[Chronos]

A relevant article in the media I found this morning...

http://www.health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8953550

"Prior to widespread vaccination in 1980, measles killed about 2.6 million people globally a year."

yeah seems vaccines are a total crock and are nothing but a money making scheme for pharm companies

CHronos

[Chronos]

pewpew http://www.naturalnews.com/038812_vacci ... icals.html

well that website seems legit





Chronos

[pajamatime]

A relevant article in the media I found this morning...

http://www.health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8953550

you know fully vaccinated communities have been struck down by measles as well right?

Edit: so is it really that relevent or do you think its just a for show biased questionable peice of journalism?
do you think its a possibility that to improve their bottom line the vaccine industry is just trying to protect their products?
do you ever sometimes think you feel like your brains wraped in bulls**t and you are being suckered through fear into thinking You or your kids will die if you do not vaccinate?

lets get to the my point, I'm not here to attack vaccines I'm here to help people understand to a extent we are being manipulated it just happens to be a topic on vaccines.
They only include pro vaccine news but they never include the 15, 5, 10 kids that died shortly after vaccination type stories? they never include the stories about fully vaccinated communities getting the exact disease they were vaccinated against? I mean seriously we are lafos surely we know how the game works right? how do they manipulate the population against us lafos? false data, biased reporting and defamation against good people who do nothing wrong.


pewpew http://www.naturalnews.com/038812_vacci ... icals.html

well that website seems legit





Chronos

I don't think that site has a conflict of interests like main stream news outlets would lol
Their adds are a bit strange though.

A relevant article in the media I found this morning...

http://www.health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8953550

"Prior to widespread vaccination in 1980, measles killed about 2.6 million people globally a year."

yeah seems vaccines are a total crock and are nothing but a money making scheme for pharm companies

CHronos

yeah interesting, but the charts do show a reduction in deaths before the introduction of the vaccine. it does look like they took advantage of a good wave to promote their product(I mean seriously who wouldn't). But who knows maybe it might have helped? Historically with diseases in the past their is a rise and fall regardless of of medical intervention.

the conventional medical establishment have already admitted they really don't know enough about the immune system to make such incredible claims of awesomeness. I mean seriously lets all do ourselves a favour and focus on a balanced nutrient filled diet and then complain. So many varibles in play I would Have to call "opportunist" on that one ^_^ but hey believe what you like.

the Tobacco industry gave us a insider look into how easy it is to schew statistics, produce false science and buy off medical associations/groups and medical professionals back in the tobacco conspiracy days.

[Westy]

I'm a big fan of Vaccine , Now can they invent something for father in laws!!!!!

Ohhh that's right it's already here it's called Haemorrhoid cream!!!!!

[sbd3927]

"personally dont want scientifically proven carcinogenic, Nerotoxic,immunotoxic additives in my body"

... and yet cigarettes still aren't banned. So I need to hold my breath until I can get away from them. I give it ten years max tho, ever since the government presumably started making less money on tobacco taxes than it cost to treat the subsequent cancer, cigarettes have been on the way out. Saw in the paper the other day, to be banned in Vic prisons this year.

"Smoking-related diseases killed 14,900 Australians in 2004-05" and yet the road toll gets higher priority. Can't be anything to do with young taxpayers deaths vs old pensioners surely?

Found some other data, a bit old but more understandable than http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected] ... +Note12011

Actual cause of death, Australia, 1996 -source aihw.gov.au/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6442470581
{a spreadsheet, thus I pasted the text below}
Cause Number Percent
Tobacco (a) 18,580 14.4
Diet/exercise (b) 17,975 14.0
Alcohol (a) 3,656 2.8
Infectious agents (c) 3,329 2.6
Motor vehicles (d) 1,686 1.3
Illicit drug use (a) 739 0.6
Firearms (1995) (e) 470 0.4

All other causes 82,267 63.9

Total deaths 128,702 100.0

Seems we'd be safer if everyone had guns, and we banned cigarettes and cars

[pajamatime]

I'm a big fan of Vaccine , Now can they invent something for father in laws!!!!!

Ohhh that's right it's already here it's called Haemorrhoid cream!!!!!

lol thank god they have cream for that.

"personally dont want scientifically proven carcinogenic, Nerotoxic,immunotoxic additives in my body"

... and yet cigarettes still aren't banned. So I need to hold my breath until I can get away from them. I give it ten years max tho, ever since the government presumably started making less money on tobacco taxes than it cost to treat the subsequent cancer, cigarettes have been on the way out. Saw in the paper the other day, to be banned in Vic prisons this year.

"Smoking-related diseases killed 14,900 Australians in 2004-05" and yet the road toll gets higher priority. Can't be anything to do with young taxpayers deaths vs old pensioners surely?

Found some other data, a bit old but more understandable than http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected] ... +Note12011

Actual cause of death, Australia, 1996 -source aihw.gov.au/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6442470581
{a spreadsheet, thus I pasted the text below}
Cause Number Percent
Tobacco (a) 18,580 14.4
Diet/exercise (b) 17,975 14.0
Alcohol (a) 3,656 2.8
Infectious agents (c) 3,329 2.6
Motor vehicles (d) 1,686 1.3
Illicit drug use (a) 739 0.6
Firearms (1995) (e) 470 0.4

All other causes 82,267 63.9

Total deaths 128,702 100.0

Seems we'd be safer if everyone had guns, and we banned cigarettes and cars

I hear yah...after all this big Tobacco still has its dirty little critter hands in things.
I'm pretty sure they really don't care to much about whether we live or die lol
They are just looking for ways to line their pockets.

Cigs kill but morally corrupt greedy bastards kill more and the way they go about it and somehow still manage to keep it out of the public scope is astonishing. Money talks...

[brett1868]

I like the "Diet/exercise (b) 17,975 14.0" sounds like a good reason to quit the gym

[handofcod]

Some more facts for those that genuinely want to be better informed. If you are entrenched in your ways and have your head in the sand, look away now!

In 1994, following overwhelming public pressure, Japan withdrew the mandatory MMR vaccination for children. In the decades that followed Japan has experienced epidemics of measles not seen anywhere else in the developed world. Measles is not a minor illness. In 2013 there were 145,700 deaths from measles globally and even in developed countries 3 in every 1000 infections results in death. There is no anti-viral treatment for measles. Once you are infected you roll the dice and hope for the best.

There is absolutely no link between MMR and autism. Japan has seen NO reduction in the rate of autism diagnosis despite falls in vaccination rates of children. How did we all start talking about MMR and autism? Who introduced the notion to this bogus link? Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce to you Andrew Wakefield, the charlatan with bloody on his hands.

Andrew Wakefield created a paper published in The Lancet that has since been found to be bogus, has had charges of dishonesty proven against him (including findings of abuse of children) and has been struck from the Medical Register. He is barred from practicing medicine in the UK. He was paid 400K pounds by lawyers representing an anti-vaccination lawsuit. He also owns a company that pedals diagnostic kits for "autism enterocolitis", a non existent disease fabricated by, you guessed it, Andrew Wakefield. This man is a fraudster who has made millions from his bogus study.

Meanwhile the rates of vaccination are steadily declining all because of paranoia, misinformation, and a F__K TONNE of vested interest. It wouldn't be so bad if it was about a harmless disease. But people are literally dying of a disease that should have gone the same way as polio.

[Lyam]

I start off with some food for thought and well someone somewhere misinterprets me as "attacking".

Pretty standard reaction (often anyway) from someone who doesn't really have any supporting arguments for their opinion.

I guess if they don't have any actual points to argue they can only feel like it's directed at them personally.

[Combat_Wombat]

People talk about vaccines as if they are all created in the one secret underground base run by the illuminati / lizard people / NWO and shipped out and given to people without ever coming in contact with anyone in the scientific community. If there was some sort of conspiricacy that they were adding chemicals that could cause autism (because that proves to benifit them somehow) than the cover up over every medical lab, doctor and nurse would be impossible. It's important to be sceptical and take everything you see with a pinch of salt ( excluding peer reviewed literature). But don't use the term sheeple for blindly believing in science if you yourself blindly believe in every conspiracy that gets made into a meme on the internet.

[jays]

well that website seems legit

Tauntaun's from star wars are real!

[Warrigul]

Tauntaun's from star wars are real!

And who can ever forget that old classic: Apollo's uncle was a Jawa.

[jennageit]

The local primary school does not require children to be vaccinated before they are enrolled.
My kids are all fully vaccinated, and when I had it done, I had it in the back of my mind the whole "causing autism" aspect, but I'd rather have a healthy child who is vaccinated than watch them die a slow and painful death from a preventable disease.
I've seen toddlers struggle to breathe from whooping cough, and i'd rather nurse them through a slight fever, and feeling out of sorts for a little while, than have them go through that.
JMHO

[1290]

Lets revive this little disourse hey...


So..... the richest man in the world, Willy Gates, has embarked on a vaccination program to the 'third' world. Why does he care about vaccinating millions of kids? Is he really that much of a humanitarian now that he has little to fill his idle moments? Not at all. I'll just say Georgia guide stones....

Try and make out the true aim of injecting a chemical soup in the unsuspecting kiddies, with their parent seeing the gates foundation as the white knight....
Have a listen, he might be the richest, but having apparently given the plot away he might not, after all, be the smartest <<HERE>>

[greyghost]

So..... the richest man in the world, Willy Gates, has embarked on a vaccination program to the 'third' world. Why does he care about vaccinating millions of kids? Is he really that much of a humanitarian now that he has little to fill his idle moments?

He gives about $500 million a year to charities mate, not sure I'd be calling him out on this subject......

Give credit where it's due.

[tucked]

Lets revive this little disourse hey...

C'mon everyone had just settled down

[1290]

So..... the richest man in the world, Willy Gates, has embarked on a vaccination program to the 'third' world. Why does he care about vaccinating millions of kids? Is he really that much of a humanitarian now that he has little to fill his idle moments?

He gives about $500 million a year to charities mate, not sure I'd be calling him out on this subject......

Give credit where it's due.

sure, great, that certainly is a great deal of cash, and apart from it being no doubt the most tax effective financial measure he made....did you actually listen to the audio?

[handofcod]

We have people like the Evil Mr Gates for the complete eradication of debilitating diseases like Polio. Made possible by injecting chemical soup into kids all over the world.