PUMP/LEVER ACTION RIFLES MAY BECOME CAT C!!!!!

[NukeBOMB88]

Well it seems that we might just have more rights taken from us in the form of lever and pump action rifles being changed to Cat C licence only

[Aster]

Now where did I put that KY.

https://www.facebook.com/SFPVIC
Shooters and Fishers Party MP’s Jeff Bourman and Daniel Young have been recently made aware of a working group with the Federal Government that reports to COAG on National Firearms and Weapons Policy.

From the information received, recommendations were made at a recent meeting that consideration be given to changing certain 'technical aspects' of the National Firearms Agreement. The technical aspects would be the re-classification of numerous firearms, from Categories A and B to Category C.

Some of the firearms that could be reclassified would include:
Lever action shotguns and rifles (calibre not specified)
Pump action rifles (Calibre not specified)
Rifles of any type based on ballistic performance (no specifications)
Rifles based on magazine capacity (not specified)

There would also be an 'alignment' over genuine reasons and a change to a yearly license for C category.

There was no consideration given regarding compensation for those that won't or can't meet the requirements for a category C license.

Whilst it must be stressed that the working group cannot make binding policy it must be remembered that groups such as these present policy positions to groups such as COAG and can become policy and even legislation.

Jeff Bourman stated “Making it tougher for the law abiding shooters is not the answer to reducing crime as criminals don’t obey the law, that’s why they are criminals”

The Shooters and Fishers Party completely rejects the need for any of these proposals and indeed we suggest that we should be looking at some deregulation of existing regulations to enable the licensed and law abiding shooters to enjoy fuller participation in their legal and safe past time.

[NukeBOMB88]

Here's the info that was with this picture on the SFPs Facebook page:

[on_one_wheel]

Outrageous

[on_one_wheel]

Great to see the Senate enquiry wasn't a wast of money when all groups, police included but with the exception of the greens ,felt that no changes to ploicy were necessary ... and then we see this, must be some people working within this working group that wear the green shirts, I smell a conflict of interest.

[1290]

WA and SA I see it getting up..... VIC, never in a million years.

I would like to see their paper describing their reasoning for going after the pumps and levers...... what a joke these poofters are.

[NukeBOMB88]

Yeah I made a post about this earlier, I just can't understand what these clowns making decisions to punish LAFOs for criminals actions are thinking!

[on_one_wheel]

I cant see it getting any oxygen, they won't be able to justify the cost of a buy back and gun shops won't want to buy them of us nor will they put them on consignment as there will be no market for them.

[brett1868]

Curious about how they will define "Ballistic Performance" to reclassify a rifle as cat C. I suspect it's a sneaky way to stop shooters buying larger calibre rifles. The 50BMG in NSW is cat b and sold as per every other Cat B. centre fire rifle, make it a Cat C and make that license near impossible to get licenses and suddenly no more 50 BMG available.

[1290]

Buyback? Dealers?

Wasnt it said thered be no more buybacks?
They might simply reclassify so that come monday morning had you not have disposed of that lever... you'd have to hand it in..... most owners would comply then jump on the forums and complain

[Sam45]

What a joke. If a criminal wants a gun he gets out his roll of cash and buys one. If we want one, we have to jump through hoops! These government do gooders seem to forget, they work for us.

[Newdave]

How in the world can this be justified? We do not have a gun crime problem in Australia. Who are the drop kicks who came up with this insanity and how serious do we have to take this?

[Mule]

I hate how they always reference the US when this issue comes up. They only do that as we dont have enough incidents to generate data

[Oldbloke]

They keep moving the goal post. How are you expected to know what to buy. I agree with all of above. Just Bul Shet

[anthillinside]

Jeff and Daniel will be in there fighting.
Don't forget to renew your membership or join the SFP if your not a member.
It's only a few bucks.
Remember your either helping to push the barrow or your just riding in it.

[headspace]

Rather than shifting those rifles to Cat C, it would be a far better idea to allow pump action shotties back into the fold. They were only outlawed because of the perception of being the bikies weapon of choice. These clowns really are pathetic. I'm certain there are more important things to worry about like our economy being in the toilet.
JD

[on_one_wheel]

Buyback? Dealers?

Wasnt it said thered be no more buybacks?
They might simply reclassify so that come monday morning had you not have disposed of that lever... you'd have to hand it in..... most owners would comply then jump on the forums and complain

Yes it was said, but the government can't just ask us to give away thousands of dollars worth of rifles and shotguns, that would be unconstitutional.

With the buyers market for reclassified second hand firearms down to probably a fraction of a percent, anything moved to class a simply wouldn't sell.

A buy back is their only option, just as it was in 96.

[Newdave]

They will simply say they are not baning them just reclassifying them. We will be free to sell them by a fixed date even though they will be practiclly worthless. If this is true the greens will be dancing in the street. It is more then they could have ever asked for. It really is shocking that they would pull this now considering the senate inquiry and the recent tassie firearms inquiry didn't even suggest anything close to this. It would be nice to know who the faceless people are that made these recommendations and what there background is aswell as there rediculous justifications for these unjust changes.

[Eduardo]

It's the SOP of the gun grabbers.Take away your rights incrementally. Next it will be bolt action "sniper rifles".

They got They might stop at muskets, but I doubt it.

[1886]

I'd say this idiotic proposal has been submitted to the Firearms Working Group by the South Australian reps going by this Jan 2011 article.

http://huntandshoot.com.au/articles/hun ... s-class-c/

I can't see the levers to Cat C proposal going any further but some of the others mentioned could be used as a means to further controls, ie Rifles of any type based on ballistic performance could include a host of firearms leading to a subsequent claytons ban eg 338 Lapua, 50 BMG's etc.

[trekin]

Don't think it came from them, Abela's Hunt & Shoot Network, as they are calling to put a stop to the proposal;

We must act NOW to stamp out such irresponsible and ill-informed proposals from becoming law.

Please write to the SA police

Still doesn't say where the proposal has come from, although I suspect GCA's three members and fax machine are behind it.

[anthillinside]

There’s probably a lot of this type of crap been waiting around for a “positive” report from the Greens senate hearing on gun violence.
It’s unlikely that any of these will gain traction now that the senate enquiry has effectively back fired on the Greens.
The one area I’d be wary of is any legislation that starts with increasing storage requirements, their bound to use that as the thin end of the wedge now.

[trekin]

Don't let's kid ourselves that the outcome of the Senate inquiry was a positive for us LAFO's. Remember, the "majority" recommendations that we cling to in the hope that the government might take notice, was handed down by the "majority of non-voting members" of the inquiry, and will carry very little weight with the government. The "minority" supported recommendations are the recommendations of the "majority" of the voting members, and are therefore the results that government have paid for.

[1886]

Don't think it came from them, Abela's Hunt & Shoot Network, as they are calling to put a stop to the proposal;

We must act NOW to stamp out such irresponsible and ill-informed proposals from becoming law.

Please write to the SA police

Still doesn't say where the proposal has come from, although I suspect GCA's three members and fax machine are behind it.

I think you've misunderstood.

The Firearms and Weapons Policy Working Group is a sub committee of COAG and is made up of Sate Police Ministers and their police reps and various Commonwealth officers from associated jurisdictions. There are no "outsiders" such as GCA etc.

Given this was a proposal that SA wanted to implement but it was knocked on the head at that time, it would seem highly likely they have now put it up for National consideration as a means to their end.

[anthillinside]

Yeah I'm not deluding myself that we had a win, just glad the greens didn't either.
The report has been produced with the alternative majority view written into it so it’s out there for debate, and being attacked as expected but at least it there.
The people that wrote the report are all senators so “their vote counts”
It’s certainly better than the Greens just being able to table any BS recommendations without challenge.
Let’s use it for all it’s worth (perhaps not much) but don’t ever let a chance go by.

[1290]

DAMN IT, I'm convinced, I need a new lever.... 44RemMag, 16 inch, now do I go stainless or Colour Case hardened....

[trekin]

Don't think it came from them, Abela's Hunt & Shoot Network, as they are calling to put a stop to the proposal;

We must act NOW to stamp out such irresponsible and ill-informed proposals from becoming law.

Please write to the SA police

Still doesn't say where the proposal has come from, although I suspect GCA's three members and fax machine are behind it.

I think you've misunderstood.

The Firearms and Weapons Policy Working Group is a sub committee of COAG and is made up of Sate Police Ministers and their police reps and various Commonwealth officers from associated jurisdictions. There are no "outsiders" such as GCA etc.

Given this was a proposal that SA wanted to implement but it was knocked on the head at that time, it would seem highly likely they have now put it up for National consideration as a means to their end.

I might of misunderstood, but does anyone have link/reference as to where the statement/proposal in the OP originated from, can't find anything in the mainstream media, and only seems to talked about on shooting related social media outlets.

[anthillinside]

DAMN IT, I'm convinced, I need a new lever.... 44RemMag, 16 inch, now do I go stainless or Colour Case hardened....

Now there's an idea
Cause and effect
They talk about restricting something the sales figures and licensing show an immediate massive increase in demand.
It happens in America.
It would make it harder for the gov to push the restriction
It would be good for the economy, yada yada yada.
Well that’s my twisted view anyway.

[valkyrie]

in saying all of this i do think that its insane that im technically allowed to purchase and own a .50 cal but i cant have a semi .22. im not sure but i reckon that one shot from a .50 into a crowd of people would have a hell of a lot more impact than a full 10 round mag out of the .22.

[Newdave]

Oh I totally agree why stop there 338, 308, 270, 243 and we all know how dangerous 223 is. Once they start down this road where do you think they will stop?