Semi licensed shooter?

[Member-Deleted]

Hi guys, was going to head out to a state forest tomorrow with a mate who is in the process of finalizing his gun license. He has done the safety course got approval etc. They sent it back and he payed for the license and has had his photo taken, but he is still waiting on the actual license card. If he comes out with me bringing the receipt can that be used as a temporary license? Because technically it has been approved and payed for and photo taken. I can't remember clearly but for some reason I thoughat I heard when your at that point in ur license it's ok to shoot..

[bigfellascott]

Good question, I'd suggest ringing the firearms registry in your state and putting the question to them, they should have the facts on whether its ok or not.

[Member-Deleted]

Yeah the license was supposed to be here by today but low and behold nothing :/ I've tried contacting the divisional firearms officer a few times and no response. I rang the licensing and regulation departmwnt and the bloke there said that you most likely need the actual plastic card. But I'm sure (and my mate is 99% sure aswell) that once uve paid and had ur photo taken that it functions as a temporary license.. however maybe that is just for purchasing firearms during the cooling off period and not for actual hunting... either way I'll try ringing again!

[bigfellascott]

Yeah a PITA for sure, definitely find out before you do something which may land you in trouble, just not worth the hassles and would be better to delay the trip until the license arrives.

[Oldbloke]

Pretty sure In victoria he is ok. But check if u can. Maybe go to the local cop shop and ask in person.

[Oldbloke]

A bit off sibject but, in Vic once u pay for a drivers lic or worksafe high risk lic the receipt is good enough until you get the card.licence. A licence is a licence is a licence. I think,,,,,,,?

[bigfellascott]

Yeah that's the problem mate we think it's ok but it really would be smart to confirm it before going and get oneself in the poo and all the dramas that go with it, I know I wouldn't be doing anything until I had either the license or something in writing stating that it is ok to do so, just ain't worth the drama otherwise IMO.

[Shorti85]

I was told in my safety course in Vic, you don't have a gun license till you physically hold it in your hands. In saying that though, I bought a firearm with just a receipt.

[Boatman]

Pretty sure In victoria he is ok. But check if u can. Maybe go to the local cop shop and ask in person.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't part of your license conditions that you have to carry it at all times while using firearms?

[Boatman]

I was told in my safety course in Vic, you don't have a gun license till you physically hold it in your hands. In saying that though, I bought a firearm with just a receipt.

Relative to the above, the receipt would function as a temporary license as they do with a lot of things.

[1290]

IMHO; Once you've paid - you've accepted the offer along with the conditions that go along with it, you've purchased the licence. again, IMHO, you're fully licensed. Hold onto the receipt as proof.

The courts might argue otherwise hard to say. but note the expiry date, is it the date of payment/photo, or the date the plastic was printed sent out? That will answer the question.......

[brett1868]

Since it's a new issue license I suspect you'd need to wait for the photocard to turn up to make it official. Renewals are a different story, providing you can show the expired license and the renewal receipt you should be fine.

[monbeg]

Since it's a new issue license I suspect you'd need to wait for the photocard to turn up to make it official. Renewals are a different story, providing you can show the expired license and the renewal receipt you should be fine.

Agree with brett1868.

As long as the authority still has the option of declining the licence for any reason then it does not exist, renewal of an existing is different.

[Chronos]

Seems strange to take your money, take your photo and not give you your licence card?

In nsw it's all done on the spot. You receive a letter saying your license has been approved. Then you just go to an RTA (RMS now) and pay, get your picture taken and walk out with your license card

Now if we can just get out PTA ststem sorted

Chronos

[KWhorenet]

I was told in my safety course in Vic, you don't have a gun license till you physically hold it in your hands. In saying that though, I bought a firearm with just a receipt.

You just answered any doubt there was right there.

Yes the receipt is valid. They don't bother sending a licence especially of this nature for people to misuse, UNTIL you pay for it.

The information is all provided during the process.

The one information source I think needs a rocket up their arse is the safety courses. FMD they are out of touch or full of s**t with their own opinions instead of facts vs acts.

[brett1868]

Seems strange to take your money, take your photo and not give you your licence card?

In nsw it's all done on the spot. You receive a letter saying your license has been approved. Then you just go to an RTA (RMS now) and pay, get your picture taken and walk out with your license card

Now if we can just get out PTA ststem sorted

Chronos

Not all of them issue on the spot these days now the RTA has been folded into the RMS along with the MSB to create RMS along with Service NSW. Only the bigger registries have photo license printers, otherwise they take your picture and the license arrives in the mail up to a couple weeks later. I don't like relying on mail so I check if the registry has on the spot issue before going there.

[1290]

I was told in my safety course in Vic, you don't have a gun license till you physically hold it in your hands. In saying that though, I bought a firearm with just a receipt.

You just answered any doubt there was right there.

Yes the receipt is valid. They don't bother sending a licence especially of this nature for people to misuse, UNTIL you pay for it.

The information is all provided during the process.

The one information source I think needs a rocket up their arse is the safety courses. FMD they are out of touch or full of s**t with their own opinions instead of facts vs acts.

Unfortunately, you can not rely on a correct interpretation of the law, particularly in relation to firearms from the politz or the govt departments....
expect an opinion, expect it may be determined by the individuals opinion on firearms.

[Wes]

Seems strange to take your money, take your photo and not give you your licence card?

You think it's strange one of our governments does that?

In VIC you pay at the bank, get your photo taken at the post office, send it all off and the license comes back to you in a couples of weeks.

[1290]

Since it's a new issue license I suspect you'd need to wait for the photocard to turn up to make it official. Renewals are a different story, providing you can show the expired license and the renewal receipt you should be fine.

Agree with brett1868.

As long as the authority still has the option of declining the licence for any reason then it does not exist, renewal of an existing is different.

The licence can be revoked/rescinded at any time..... for it to occur between the time they send your 'payment /go get photo advice' and issue of plastic card; you would have had to have had an AVO or some other charges come up in your name .......

[kurl]

Presumably though you can't be in breech of anything until you're notified though.

I mean if you have your license on Friday and go away for the weekend, it's cancelled on Saturday, you come back on Monday and a cop is waiting on your door step and you say yep, I've been shooting for two days you couldn't have know you've been doing it without a license for the last 2 days.

[oohsam]

I know this is an old topic but for future reference, and this only applies to Victoria as I do not know the law for other states:

The paper receipt is a valid licence once you have made payment. From that point on, you are a licensed firearm operator. Treat the paper receipt as a card. It must be carried on you at all times when you are in possession of a firearm or ammunition. Failure to have it on your person is a breach of the firearms act.
You can purchase a firearm and ammunition with the paper licence. There is no grey area around this topic its very very clear. You should also carry another form of photo ID to be identified if pulled up.

All this nonsense about "You need to a have the photo card in order be licensed" is false information. I purchased my first firearm 15 minutes after making payment and headed straight to the range to sight in.

Here's a pic of my wife's licence, note the text under the stamp "NOT VALID UNTIL PAID AT BANK"

[Member-Deleted]

Thanks for all the info guys. Could not get in contact with the divisional firearms officer and also the licensing division had no answers. Went to the local cop shop and she couldn't give me any answers either so we did what we thought was right

[Wes]

Took me a couple of weeks to get onto the DFO when I did my license stuff

[oohsam]

I can't see the problem.
They are located in Docklands (I think they moved recently). They have a direct line, you can call and they will answer all your questions. Especially this question, which has a very simple answer.
I once had to call regarding buying a cap gun for training my dog, and I got an answer right away.

[Oldbloke]

I said that montns ago. But good to hear it again.

[KWhorenet]

Haha Oldbloke, from your double posts and up to quintuplet posts, I guessed you'd like to hear it again

[FuzzyM]

In my opinion it is definitely a license, same as a drivers license receipt, forklift license receipt etc.
It actually says it in the paperwork somewhere, I went through it with a fine toothed comb when I got mine.
As long as it has been paid for and the photo bit sent off.
My plastic license even got lost in the mail FFS!

[FuzzyM]

Feel free to clarify it yourself.

Website: www.police.vic.gov.au
Email: [email protected]
Postal Address: GPO Box 2807, Melbourne Victoria, 3001
Public Access: Level 4, Yarra Tower, Victoria Police Centre, 637 Flinders Street.
Office Hours: 8:30am - 4:30pm
Phone: 1300 651 645
Fax: (03) 9247 6485

[KWhorenet]

So its now been over a month...why hasn't he got his hard copy already? Not that he needs it since the receipt is all you need.
Walk into any LGS and ask. Dealers aren't going to do the wrong thing and risk it obviously.


Reiterate; Absolutely no question about this. Been there done this mid last year.

I had ordered and paid for my CZ 22H before I even had a licence, it was waiting for me to get my licence and PTA. Both licence app and PTA went in the same envelope. 28 days started counting down as soon as received by LRD. Advised by LRD to do this. Once both approved and 28 days was up, walked into LGS with licence receipt and they checked online for my approved PTA, paid PTA fee and walked out with my new rifle.

Done.

[Oldbloke]

Haha Oldbloke, from your double posts and up to quintuplet posts, I guessed you'd like to hear it again

Only 1 ????????? Did Aster delete it for me.?? LOL