Shortening barrel and installing the muzzle brake my owner.

[Sockeye]

Older milsurplas rifle needs to have a barrel shortened by about 2 inches and threaded for a muzzle brake.

Can I do it myself on my own garage in QLD?

Can a gunsmith do that for me?

What am I looking to spend +/- for this kind of job?

Thanks

[North East]

Older milsurplas rifle needs to have a barrel shortened by about 2 inches and threaded for a muzzle brake.

Can I do it myself on my own garage in QLD?

Can a gunsmith do that for me?

What am I looking to spend +/- for this kind of job?

Thanks

Why does an older rifle need to threaded for a muzzle brake....they worked just fine before?

[deye243]

Older milsurplas rifle needs to have a barrel shortened by about 2 inches and threaded for a muzzle brake.

Can I do it myself on my own garage in QLD?

Can a gunsmith do that for me?

What am I looking to spend +/- for this kind of job?

Thanks

Why does an older rifle need to threaded for a muzzle brake....they worked just fine before?

because that's what he wants

[North East]

If your thinking about doing yourself....don't. It's not a backyard job.

[Chronos]

Firstly I'll say it's a shame historically important rifles like service rifles get cut down, sport rises and drilled for scope mounts these days, they're not making them anymore invade you didn't realise and far too many have been ruined or destroyed by our government let alone "gunsmiths"

Look at it this way, we never really own our rifles, only rent them because they'll be still around long after we're gone.

In my opinion if you want a cut down braked rifle, do it to a tikka, howa, ruger or Remington and not an old girl.

That said get a gunsmith to do it, thread cutting and crowning is a machinists job.

Chronos

[JOY]

Wow anyone would think someone else was paying for the rifle.
I'd cut it down if it was mine and yep give it a go yourself you can't learn if you don't fail.

[Sockeye]

Just wanted to point out that I own and not rent or borrow my historically significant Chinese mosin-nagant carbine produced in million series. It is possible that my specific specimen was part of the vietno-cheneese conflict and was used to fire the last shot of the war, but I still feel entitled to cut/burn/deactivate or generally do what I want with any item I own in general and with this firearm in particular.

In this specific instance, the question is not how to cut and crown a barrel, but whether it is legal to do so in state of Queensland.

Respectfully.

Firstly I'll say it's a shame historically important rifles like service rifles get cut down, sport rises and drilled for scope mounts these days, they're not making them anymore invade you didn't realise and far too many have been ruined or destroyed by our government let alone "gunsmiths"

Look at it this way, we never really own our rifles, only rent them because they'll be still around long after we're gone.

In my opinion if you want a cut down braked rifle, do it to a tikka, howa, ruger or Remington and not an old girl.

That said get a gunsmith to do it, thread cutting and crowning is a machinists job.

Chronos

[1290]

I can see the abusedguns add "rare, hard to find, one of only 100million made, sought after , be quick "

In QLD its a serious offence to 'shorten' a firearm, I'm not sure if theres a distinction 'legally' between 2 inches off a long rifle or cutting a shotty down butt off barrel down..... I would send an email to your registrar, with their email agreeing that 2inch lop is ok, then I'd proceed...

As far as minimum legth of rifle, I believe its 75cm.

Historical value - a rough well used mauser, or lee enfield, I would have no issue personally modifying(read butchering ), unless its a particularly fine / unusual / rare example or model In cases your mods, if well executed could increase the value, say a 'tanker' mauser or lee, with a short carbine, shortened barrel & Shortened wood, look the goods and are very few around (whether or not they are a fantasy or where actually issued.....


I think that no4 looks awesome, I might need one


Tanker Mausers, at least shorty short rifles were made by zasty, and were listed up until recently

[trekin]

Older milsurplas rifle needs to have a barrel shortened by about 2 inches and threaded for a muzzle brake.

Can I do it myself on my own garage in QLD?

Can a gunsmith do that for me?

What am I looking to spend +/- for this kind of job?

Thanks

Up to you mate, here's what Section 62 (1) of the Act says;

62 Modifying construction or action of firearms
(1) A person must not, without reasonable excuse—
(a) modify the construction or action of a firearm; or
(b) possess a firearm the construction or action of which has been modified; or
(c) acquire or sell a firearm the construction or action of which has been modified.
Maximum penalty—200 penalty units or 4 years
imprisonment.
If you believe you have the skills to do it, give it a go, if not get an armourer to do it. And this might get up the nose's of a few people, but there are no "gunsmiths" in QLD, and I doubt there are any in the whole of Aus, certainly no nationally recognized trade qualified "gunsmiths". In QLD, all you need to get an armourer's licence is have a back ground in engineering, or trade qualified fitter and turner, or even in some cases that I know of just be trade qualified as a boiler maker.

[trekin]

I can see the abusedguns add "rare, hard to find, one of only 100million made, sought after , be quick "

In QLD its a serious offence to 'shorten' a firearm, I'm not sure if theres a distinction 'legally' between 2 inches off a long rifle or cutting a shotty down butt off barrel down..... I would send an email to your registrar, with their email agreeing that 2inch lop is ok, then I'd proceed...

As far as minimum legth of rifle, I believe its 75cm.

Historical value - a rough well used mauser, or lee enfield, I would have no issue personally modifying(read butchering ), unless its a particularly fine / unusual / rare example or model In cases your mods, if well executed could increase the value, say a 'tanker' mauser or lee, with a short carbine, shortened barrel & Shortened wood, look the goods and are very few around (whether or not they are a fantasy or where actually issued.....


I think that no4 looks awesome, I might need one


Tanker Mausers, at least shorty short rifles were made by zasty, and were listed up until recently

Section 61 of the Act allows shortening a firearm with reasonable excuse;

61 Shortening firearms
A person must not, without reasonable excuse—
(a) shorten a firearm; or
(b) possess a firearm that has been shortened; or
(c) acquire or sell a firearm that has been shortened.
Maximum penalty—200 penalty units or 4 years imprisonment.

Removing 2 inches of damaged/worn out rifling at the muzzle end of a barrel is acceptable as a reasonable excuse here in QLD. The only serious offence is when you shorten the firearm below 75 cm total length, and don't have it reclassified as a Cat H firearm.

[Sockeye]

Cool. In my case the overall shortening will be down to 95 cm overall length. Well within the legal specs.

[Sockeye]

On a separate note, I just want to say that I am quite happy to have found you here. I was missing a good local firearms forum quite a bit.
The last one I actively participated in was http://canadiangunnutz.com/

Stay together, work together and one day the laws will be changed again. Like we did in Canada abolishing long gun registration altogether. There is a real power beyond these virtual gatherings with a solid evidence it can make a difference.

[Xerox]

Hey Sockeye,

What made you make the move from Canada to QLD?

[Sockeye]

Weather and some other minor reasons. But then Canada was not the first place I left behind and moved on. This becomes rather a nasty habit.

[JOY]

Older milsurplas rifle needs to have a barrel shortened by about 2 inches and threaded for a muzzle brake.

Can I do it myself on my own garage in QLD?

Can a gunsmith do that for me?

What am I looking to spend +/- for this kind of job?

Thanks

Up to you mate, here's what Section 62 (1) of the Act says;

62 Modifying construction or action of firearms
(1) A person must not, without reasonable excuse—
(a) modify the construction or action of a firearm; or
(b) possess a firearm the construction or action of which has been modified; or
(c) acquire or sell a firearm the construction or action of which has been modified.
Maximum penalty—200 penalty units or 4 years
imprisonment.
If you believe you have the skills to do it, give it a go, if not get an armourer to do it. And this might get up the nose's of a few people, but there are no "gunsmiths" in QLD, and I doubt there are any in the whole of Aus, certainly no nationally recognized trade qualified "gunsmiths". In QLD, all you need to get an armourer's licence is have a back ground in engineering, or trade qualified fitter and turner, or even in some cases that I know of just be trade qualified as a boiler maker.

You do know during the war they made guns in a Bicycle factory right? My old Grandad worked in one and he was a farmer before he made sub machine guns?

[on_one_wheel]

I'm sure that there would be no problem shortening it so as to remove a worn section and having it threaded for a brake to make it more pleasant to fire would be considered a reasonable excuse.

I'm sure there would be a minimum length stated in your states rules ..... I know sa has one.

A good smith would set you straight on the legalities of barrel mods.

some great debate above .... love the old argument between original and modified, cars , bikes and guns all cause exactly the same debate
My stance on the topic ... just check my shed 2 chrome bumper 70's v8's both highly modified from top to bottom and every gun I own has been either tinkered with, recrowned, threaded, shortened, ceracoated, sanded back, trigger modded.

[Combat_Wombat]

From memory I thiml think they made 17 million Mosin Nagants alone I think you can make one or two look different. I wouldn't approve of a mint condition MK4 getting the chop though.

[trekin]

Older milsurplas rifle needs to have a barrel shortened by about 2 inches and threaded for a muzzle brake.

Can I do it myself on my own garage in QLD?

Can a gunsmith do that for me?

What am I looking to spend +/- for this kind of job?

Thanks

Up to you mate, here's what Section 62 (1) of the Act says;

62 Modifying construction or action of firearms
(1) A person must not, without reasonable excuse—
(a) modify the construction or action of a firearm; or
(b) possess a firearm the construction or action of which has been modified; or
(c) acquire or sell a firearm the construction or action of which has been modified.
Maximum penalty—200 penalty units or 4 years
imprisonment.
If you believe you have the skills to do it, give it a go, if not get an armourer to do it. And this might get up the nose's of a few people, but there are no "gunsmiths" in QLD, and I doubt there are any in the whole of Aus, certainly no nationally recognized trade qualified "gunsmiths". In QLD, all you need to get an armourer's licence is have a back ground in engineering, or trade qualified fitter and turner, or even in some cases that I know of just be trade qualified as a boiler maker.

You do know during the war they made guns in a Bicycle factory right? My old Grandad worked in one and he was a farmer before he made sub machine guns?

And sewing machine factories, as well as other industrial factories. But how many of those arms factory workers were given trade qualifications as a gun smith when the war ended, I'd hazard a guess and say about as many as there are 15/16 year old's who leave Macca's or KFC as fully qualified chefs. What I am saying, is that gunsmithing is not a recognised trade here in Australia, there is no standard for qualification as a gunsmith under the national training framework. Hence why here in QLD they issue armourer's licences, not gunsmith licences. Now, while the vast majority of these armourers are top blokes who know their stuff, and produce excellent work, the level of qualification needed to be issued a licence leaves the door open for the less than capable producing shonky work at best.

[JOY]

Ohh I see were your coming from now.

[Chronos]

From memory I thiml think they made 17 million Mosin Nagants alone I think you can make one or two look different. I wouldn't approve of a mint condition MK4 getting the chop though.

I agree 100% CW, at the point in the thread when I commented about modifying the tge gun the op hadn't mentioned the type of rifle he had.

Chronos

[BBJ]

Go for it sockeye.

Your rifle, your money, do what you want

[1290]

Chrony, you cant have it both ways.....

But yes, there are a few of these babies around, plenty made in many countries from the USA to China and a dozen odd countries in between, numbers a good deal more than 17m I'd say, theyve been around since the Czar called for design submissions for a 3-line* rifle 2 centuries ago!

What variant do you have sockeye? Would I be correct in assuming its not a carbine, perhaps a 91/30 long rifle??
Either way, if it was me , and my state law said its up to 4 years in the klink for simply reducing the barrel length, (reducing can be half and in or 5 inches+).....then I would make sure that I at least had an email record from those whom I would argue the case with later...get the 'reasonable excuse' accepted BEFORE..... then go for it,



I got to work over the weekend and did a trial shortening, couldnt bring myself to put a brake on it though....

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OK, it was a virtual gunsmithing exercise... because everyone knows there are no gunsmiths in Australia


*[ zone]
3 line refers to bore/land diameter, 7.62mm = 3line, 1 line =1/10th of an inch..... Yes there is a linear measurement known as a 'line'

[1290]

Just to confirm there are plenty of these rifles around, and still available;


How many crates would you like ??

[SendIt]

Any discount for buying a palette?

[Sockeye]

This is the one destroyed peiice of history. I think the muzzle brake in there would feel just right.

[Title_II]

In the US we call them Bubba Guns when people do this. Some of them get really awful.

[Sockeye]

In US you have got the whole AR15 variations and parts bandwagon that anyone interested in making something for their taste and purpose can jump on and have a lovely ride.

Nothing like that here; hence, people learn to adopt and innovate.

[JOY]

Nice work Sockeye looks great not to shabby @ all

[Yelp]

In the US we call them Bubba Guns when people do this. Some of them get really awful.

Great video in the first post here

How not to do home gunsmithing!

[Title_II]

In the US we call them Bubba Guns when people do this. Some of them get really awful.

Great video in the first post here

How not to do home gunsmithing!

This gentlemen died recently. He worked at RPB and made a lot of M11s, "MACs," and probably made the barrel for my 1986 M11/9.

This video he made actually turned out to be a self tribute in my opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/6x9qHkgdTpc

The firearms in the first post video defintely qualify as Bubba Guns, but the term is most used in the US for milsurp firearms that are horribly chopped and reconfigured, often for hunting, sometimes for whatever.