Concealed Carry in Australia

[David Brown]

For those who have not been there, know the people and know how it works, try watching the entire series of First Person Defender https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... Tde5OqGTT3 and if that does not convince you, try the second series.

Sure these people had no training and learned a heap, but pointing a 45ACP or even a 9mm (more rounds) with a CTC laser, or any brand for that matter at a bad guy, and the results are, overwhelming in favour of the victim. Millions are estimated each year in the USA……and good guys win and usually the bad guy is not hurt either. Only very rarely is the bad guy hurt. third or fourth decimal place I would expect.

This is not my opinion.

This is fact.

Data backs the facts, and data has no opinion.

[Sender]

A properly selected firearm, not a small snub nose revolver, in granny's hands or mine is very much a force equaliser.

Why do you say a small revolver isn't appropriate out of curiosity?

[David Brown]

Simply because small revolvers with big energy rounds produce a firearm that is hard to near impossible for older or light weight folk to use effectively. Or safely for that matter.

A nice heavy 1911 in a 4-5" frame shooting 9mm is a far better choice than a little snubbie 38/32, let alone a 45acp in something small.

[pajamatime]

Simply because small revolvers with big energy rounds produce a firearm that is hard to near impossible for older or light weight folk to use effectively. Or safely for that matter.

A nice heavy 1911 in a 4-5" frame shooting 9mm is a far better choice than a little snubbie 38/32, let alone a 45acp in something small.

=) http://www.bullseyepistol.com/stamina.htm

[David Brown]

Thats a great site pajamtime. However, while that is true for those of us who shoot pistol matches, the Americans who can have self defines pistols, and many are little light strength old ladies or even most women and some of us men, or just not competition shooters, should not be using little snubbies.

[Title_II]

Simply because small revolvers with big energy rounds produce a firearm that is hard to near impossible for older or light weight folk to use effectively. Or safely for that matter.

A nice heavy 1911 in a 4-5" frame shooting 9mm is a far better choice than a little snubbie 38/32, let alone a 45acp in something small.

Yeah, but a .45 will put an attacker down even if you miss them by a few inches.

Caliber War!

OK, let's go

[David Brown]

Yes that is true, but often to stop the threat you need 2-3 hits with 45ACP, and maybe 3-5 with say 9mm, so repetitive shots are the key. Lil'old granny needs to be on her game.

This makes a good unit.
http://ruger.com/products/lc9s/models.html?r=y

Springfield XDS in 9mm with 7/8 round compared to 5/6 round in 45ACP.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd-s-series/

or better still the XDM mod2 with far more ammo (up to 16 in 9mm)
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... mpact-9mm/

For use at home,
Springfield have this http://www.springfield-armory.com/xdm-series/
Available in 9mm, the 40 Short & Weak, as well as 45ACP. Take ya pick.

S&W have some really nice options, http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ ... 7781_image

Otr this would be the way to go in 9mm fitted with a CTC Laser grip
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ ... rrorView_Y

There are so many great choices for the folk in the USA, but not so much down here.

[pajamatime]

after having a look at firearm related homicide and non fatal firearm related violence statistics for united states of America (link below)

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf


and then looking at a interactive concealed carry map (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Rtc.gif) it does look like concealed carry had a direct impact on both firearm related homicide and non fatal firearm related violence. Pretty significant impact actually. considering America has a severe gangland problem and most of their homicides being from gangs and criminals. take note of the percentage of criminals that purchased their firearms before the crime was committed...

In 2004, among state prison inmates who possessed a gun
at the time of offense, less than 2% bought their firearm at
a flea market or gun show and 40% obtained their firearm
from an illegal source

There may have been other assisting variables but I'm confident a attitude change in both the criminal element and the law abiding elements due to concealed carry would have contributed nicely to this.

[David Brown]

There may have been other assisting variables but I'm confident a attitude change in both the criminal element and the law abiding elements due to concealed carry would have contributed nicely to this.

PJman x 1000

You have nailed it. Now why can't the media and every other sensible rational person out there work this out for themselves? The answer is simple, they are too damned lazy to do the very modest amount of research you did.

The biggest change in gun safety is the increase in "level of responsibility" that any reasonable person undergoes when they are introduced to firearms. The same goes for motor racing, Yacht racing and sailing, and aviation. These are all very safe activities but very unforgiving of fools and the reckless. So what happens is you get a sharp rise in responsibility, and a sharp drop in the incidence of stupid accidents. You could in fact prove that firearms owners are less likely to have car/bike/boat/plane/workplace/home accidents as they all are limited by better situational awareness and responsible attitudes.

This is why so many of my pilot friends all fly (obviously) safely, ride motorcycles safely and shoot safely. And it is funny how many of them do all of these activities.

Well done sir!

[David Brown]

Recoil, watch the 1911 comparison with a similar pistol and lighter frame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldfsU98xuM8

And the 460 S&W magnum…..hehehehhehe too much fun

[Ariat]

And the 460 S&W magnum…..hehehehhehe too much fun

You need some wrist braces or something to cope with those things

[David Brown]

Another example of why CCW for personal defence is necessary. And sadly it is.

http://www.kidspot.com.au/heavily-pregn ... =editorial

[pajamatime]

Another example of why CCW for personal defence is necessary. And sadly it is.

http://www.kidspot.com.au/heavily-pregn ... =editorial

she is extremely lucky. A few years ago my wife was about 38-39 weeks prego and she became the first victim of a home invasion by a crazy man high on something severe. He forced his way in grabbed her and pushed her around. He didn't notice me as I came in from the side at full speed. I stabilized my wife while grabbed him by the throat at the same time and flung him back out the door where he quickly proceeded to try and get back in towards me which I then proceeded to repeatedly smash his hand in the door multiple times while he screamed his arse off and then finally gave up trying to get back in and was on the ground for ages moaning about how I broke his hand. police arrived about 15ish mins later arrested him because he was still on the ground moaning lol told my story and then they left.

[David Brown]

You and your wife just proved, when seconds count, the cops are just 15 minutes away.

Your story, despite not actually knowing you, brings this whole issue very close to home. I don't imagine your wife was in a good state for a while after that.

Where in Qld was this?

[pajamatime]

You and your wife just proved, when seconds count, the cops are just 15 minutes away.

Your story, despite not actually knowing you, brings this whole issue very close to home. I don't imagine your wife was in a good state for a while after that.

Where in Qld was this?

I don't think she really understood the gravity of the situation for a while to be honest. because I had to explain to her what had just occurred a few times and how lucky we both were that at least one of us reacted at the speed of light lol. it was at Newmarket, Brisbane.

[gazza]

Concealed carry is for nerds.

[David Brown]

You prefer open?

[Usurper]

Concealed carry is for nerds.

WTF

[bear foot bowhunter]

You and your wife just proved, when seconds count, the cops are just 15 minutes away.

Your story, despite not actually knowing you, brings this whole issue very close to home. I don't imagine your wife was in a good state for a while after that.

Where in Qld was this?

actually for cops to be there in 15 was pretty good the average for an emergency is 20 and if it is not life threatening such as a brake in its " don't touch any thing one of our tecs will be there in the next three days "

glad to hear that you and your wife are OK .

[gazza]

You prefer open?

I prefer hunting. If you're scared you should move somewhere nice.

[brett1868]

You and your wife just proved, when seconds count, the cops are just 15 minutes away.

Your story, despite not actually knowing you, brings this whole issue very close to home. I don't imagine your wife was in a good state for a while after that.

Where in Qld was this?

actually for cops to be there in 15 was pretty good the average for an emergency is 20 and if it is not life threatening such as a brake in its " don't touch any thing one of our tecs will be there in the next three days "

glad to hear that you and your wife are OK .

Sometimes in these cases you might be better off screaming out "Fire", the rubber neck neighbours will be out in a flash, fire brigade responds faster then the cops and in larger numbers. I suspect most crims don't want audiences so they'd be off on foot double quick smart. I believe that as more and more lives are gripped by the meth plague that home invasions will only continue to climb. Pensioners are unfortunately easy pray for this scum at the moment, times will change and every family will soon be potential targets. Whilst not a big supporter for concealed carry in this country I do support the right to defend ones family by any and all means necessary.

[anthillinside]

^^^
It's an obvious fact that no emergency service can "Keep you safe" or defend you i any real sense.
It's not the fault of the system it's just fact.
Screaming FIRE is probably your best bet because it attracts the attention of people in the immediate vicinity.

I wonder just how much faster police would arrive if you rang 000 and stated “I’ve got a gun and am prepared to use it”

[brett1868]

I wonder just how much faster police would arrive if you rang 000 and stated “I’ve got a gun and am prepared to use it”

Faster then a speeding bullet I bet

[anthillinside]

Faster than New Horizions ? or "Stink" perhaps

[Title_II]

An elderly couple was just settled down for bed when the old man realized he left the lights on in the greenhouse in the back yard. Then they heard voices. Three men had broken into the greenhouse. Scared, they called the police. The dispatcher replied, he would send an officer as soon as one became available as they were all out on calls. The old man waited for a few minutes and called Dispatch again. He told Dispatch, "Don't worry about sending an officer, I shot the robbers." In no time at all, police were all over the place and captured the robbers red-handed! One of the cops asked the old man, "I thought you said you shot the robbers? " The old man replied, "I thought you said there weren't any officers available!"

[anthillinside]

In Aus you'd probably be charged with making a false statement or call to emergency services.
But if I really needed action I'd do it and face the consequences later.
Same as using all available means to protect family and self.
Better to be charged than bashed sensless or dead.

[brett1868]

What's the expression...."Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 4".

[pajamatime]

What's the expression...."Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 4".

yeah when faced with the possibility of death I think using what ever means you have to save lives (or your own) is a reasonable outcome.
its unfortunate how unfair everything has gotten in relation to self defense though...so many people died fighting this kind of thing back in the 1900's and now the United nations has turned us into the very thing we hate. Australia is very slow to realize the true nature of everything though...i really wish they would hurry the fk (mind my french) up. lmao

[Title_II]

What's the expression...."Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 4".

In America they carry our fat butts by 6. But, then again, our caskets aren't biodegradable and they are loaded with electronics.

Does this coffin make my butt look big?

[anthillinside]

What's the expression...."Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 4".

In America they carry our fat butts by 6. But, then again, our caskets aren't biodegradable and they are loaded with electronics.

Does this coffin make my butt look big?

Loaded with electronics?
Is the NSA really that paranoid
Or is it so the dearly departed can keep their Facebook page up to date.