AIC study- Firearm death by gun type

[Baronvonrort]

I was looking at the AIC study for firearm deaths from 1991-2001 by type of gun.

Table 4 shows military firearm deaths
1991- 4 deaths
1992- 9
1993- 6
1994- 4
1995- 1
1996-38
1997-2
1999-4
2000-1
These figures include suicides and accidental deaths.
www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publicatio ... ndi269.pdf

I use www.gunpolicy.org for breakdown on accidental shootings,suicides,homicides and justifiable homicides, gunpolicy.org is run by the hoplophobe Philip alpers so gun grabbers are happy with that source.

Apart from banning BB and Airsoft did Howard ban the least deadly type of firearm for firearm deaths?

[Baronvonrort]

It appears this 1988 AIC paper has a lot of our 1996 stuff in it with buybacks,registration,etc.

This paper differs in stating farmers should still have semi auto rifles in 1988,check out the bit about firearms portrayal in the media.
www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publicatio ... ndi010.pdf

Is this paper the origins of our gun laws

[Baronvonrort]

Surely the rapid fire lever action shotguns would be much more dangerous.

Yep 10x more dangerous than lever action rifles.

[trekin]

Is that only civvy owned military style firearms, or does it also include deaths from UD's from service issue firearms?? Would also be interesting if they did a breakdown of licenced/unlicenced shooter involvement. But I guess that will never happen, although going be this article, http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015 ... -can-we-do, ol' mate Phil the Dill must have this information.

[Baronvonrort]

Yes it would be civilian including Police, they have had accidental shootings as well.

Here is one which says the majority of our firearm homicides were done by unregistered and or unlicensed.
Page 31
www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publicatio ... 3/mr13.pdf

Sydney University cut Alpers funding a few years ago which explains why data stopped around 2012, the link you posted says he is funded by the United Nations.

[<<Genesis93>>]

It appears this 1988 AIC paper has a lot of our 1996 stuff in it with buybacks,registration,etc.

This paper differs in stating farmers should still have semi auto rifles in 1988,check out the bit about firearms portrayal in the media.
http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/pub ... ndi010.pdf

Is this paper the origins of our gun laws

This is the report of the NCV from 1990;
http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/arc ... tralia.pdf

It is the blueprint for the NFA and therefore todays gunlaws....they were sitting on it for a while until the 'opportunity' of 1996, then miraculously the APMC met literally days after PAM and hammered the NFA out

Handguns weren't the target of this committee, it was the longarms of the general community, hence the only mention of handguns is;

Firearms are employed, however, in a significant proportion of commercial robberies. The types of firearms most commonly employed are rifles and shotguns. Handguns are rarely used.

Right, whatever....

Handguns had to await the next opportunity of the 'convenient' claytons (how ironic, a claytons in Clayton!) mass killing of Monash.

Page 231 starts the firearm control section....

[<<Genesis93>>]

I was looking at the AIC study for firearm deaths from 1991-2001 by type of gun.

Table 4 shows military firearm deaths
1991- 4 deaths
1992- 9
1993- 6
1994- 4
1995- 1
1996-38
1997-2
1999-4
2000-1
These figures include suicides and accidental deaths.
http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/pub ... ndi269.pdf

I use http://www.gunpolicy.org for breakdown on accidental shootings,suicides,homicides and justifiable homicides, gunpolicy.org is run by the hoplophobe Philip alpers so gun grabbers are happy with that source.

Apart from banning BB and Airsoft did Howard ban the least deadly type of firearm for firearm deaths?

What is a military rifle? Black? pistol grip? 'military' chambering....
That data is so convenient, can be easily manipulated and interpretted as needs be...
EG; from 96 to 2000 - the laws were so successful that deaths were reduced from 38 to 1!
While looking at 95 to 99 deaths increased 4x!!! what is happening?? laws obviously failed...

The data is insignificant when its down to 1 or even 10 in a population of Aus... insignificant... 96 was an 'outlier' (like a flyer) that should be removed when considering the trend...but of course, logic doesnt come into it.

But every report by these motherfucking gungrabbers claim outright success and saving of humanity by the banning of these killing machines.... yet there were 4 deaths recorded for 1999??? how is that possible if they were banned???
Either the same or MORE military 'weapon' deaths 3 yrs after the PAM laws compare to 3 of 5 preceding yrs?

Aaaaah details / shmetails....everything cool... Kim Kardashian is rooting another NFL players.. and got the norks out again, over there...

Police and military shooting are not considered, they have their own place in the stats "legal intervention and war"

There are many other 'undetermined event' categories with which the AIC / ABS can conveniently massage these data...

Yes, the hoplo-weazel did ban the least significant threat to our safety, while culminating a covert campaign - commencing the next stage of the public policy and media driven attack on lawful firearm owners, sinking billions of dollars into the 'crusade' - while at the same time overlooking so many more significant threats to our safety, stairs, ladders, beds, cancer, circulatory diseases, DOCTORS!!....the POLICE!; in 2010 there were 10 deaths 'by cop' while 11 accidental firearm deaths... therefore you had almost the exact same chance of a death through accidental firearm discharge as being shot by a police officer!

[Hinky]

Yep 10x more dangerous than lever action rifles.

You forgot it's black.

20x more dangerous!

[Baronvonrort]

Would also be interesting if they did a breakdown of licenced/unlicenced shooter involvement. But I guess that will never happen.

Here is a study on registered firearms and crime by the AIC
www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publicatio ... ndi151.pdf


-From July 97 to June 1999 it says only 11 out of 117 homicide offenders were licensed firearm owners with registered firearms
-In the few cases where licensed firearms owners used a firearm to kill,80% of the registered firearms were Cat A or B, not one handgun used in homicide was registered.
Pages 4 and 5 are worth reading

[Xerox]

Wouldn't have thought cat D would be higher than C, but there it is.

[Baronvonrort]

Wouldn't have thought cat D would be higher than C, but there it is.

There would be 2 firearm deaths recorded for Cat D with the Lindt siege last year, the first victim would be Cat C.

Justifiable homicides are included in homicide stats, I don't believe they should be included with firearm homicides, as the name implies they were justified, of course gun grabbers use anything to inflate numbers.

[Baronvonrort]

This article from the USA claims military style scary guns are responsible for around 2% of all gun crime in the USA.

www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-revie ... h.html?r=1

[wrenchman]

you have a greater chance to be killed with a hammer in the us

[Prettybird]

Ha hah ah a ha.

That's great

[<<Genesis93>>]

you have a greater chance to be killed with a hammer in the us

and more chance of being killed by a ladder, a bed, or a set of stairs in Aus....

[Rocker]

We better get the ladder registry set up soon.

Cat C license if you want a ladder with more than 10 rungs too.

[Baronvonrort]

In 2010 there were 1,648 deaths from accidental falls, falls have increased by 28% since 2006.

www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/0/1676 ... endocument

[Carter]

We need tougher laws against gravity

[<<Genesis93>>]

and against doctors... they kill more people, seriously, theres even a category for death by doctor

[lole]

The topic got me curious and I did some Googling on most common types of death.

Accidents is up there, one of the categories was "water, air and space accidents". Space accidents, WTF

[Baronvonrort]

FBI Homicide data for 2014

California-
Total Murders = 1,697
Firearms = 1,169
Handguns = 763
Rifles = 40
shotguns = 43
cutting instruments = 256
other weapons = 175
Hands fists feet = 97

Texas-
Total Murders = 1,141
Firearms = 765
handguns = 483
Rifles = 33
shotguns = 28
cutting instruments =145
other weapons = 128
hands fists feet = 103

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... s/table-20

Rifle homicides include assault rifles, the numbers show far more people are killed with knives,clubs,fists and feet compared to rifles in the USA.

The hoplophobes call for assault rifles to be banned when FBI stats show these type of guns are responsible for the least number of homicides in the USA.

[<<Genesis93>>]

and how may of those 40 rifle murders are Assault weapons? who knows, unless you scour the news reports from 2014... it could be 1 or 10 or even zero.

[Bourt]

We need tougher laws against gravity

You'll need some kind of OH&S type insurance to climb up a ladder at your own place soon the way it's going

[Baronvonrort]

ABS Data 1980-1995 by firearm type, also shows decline in firearm deaths from 1980-1995.

Accidents total = 283 deaths
Military style = 5

Suicides = 5,487 deaths
Military style = 52 deaths

Homicides = 813
Military style = 27

Military style total proportion of firearm deaths 1980-1995 = 1.3%

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected] ... enDocument

[sbd3927]

Bush fire deaths
2009 Black Saturday, 173
1983 Ash Wednesday 71 deaths
1962 Tasmania, 62 deaths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... death_toll

The rise in bushfire death toll matches the ever increasing coverage of national parks. Despite wide community awareness of the significant contribution of poor management of national parks to major bushfire disasters, there is still a press for more parks! Can we afford more deaths?

[Xerox]

You'll need some kind of OH&S type insurance to climb up a ladder at your own place soon the way it's going

Well you already need liability insurance for if someone hurts yourself on your property.

If someone offering their services falls off their own ladder I can't see how that's your fault but that's the way it is