Over kill, or just plain dumb wording ?

[Die Judicii]

On the reverse side of a Queensland PTA,,

PERMIT TO ACQUIRE/DISPOSAL INSTRUCTIONS[/u]

3. "Whilst you have received your issued Permit to Aquire, you should be aware that it is an offence under Section
25 of the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act 2000 to be in possession of a firearm/weapon if you are
unable to produce on demand, your photo licence authorising possession of the firearm/weapon. It is therefore
recommended you do not take possession until you are in physical receipt of the licence."

Is it just me, or is that a bit silly ??
They are not going to issue anyone with a full PTA unless you do have a firearm license surely.

Has anyone tried this out ???

I find it interesting that whoever drafted this couldn't make up their mind how to spell "acquire"

I guess if they spell it as many different ways as they can think of,,,, they've covered all the bases.

[PaladinAus]

On the reverse side of a Queensland PTA,,

PERMIT TO ACQUIRE/DISPOSAL INSTRUCTIONS[/u]

3. "Whilst you have received your issued Permit to Aquire, you should be aware that it is an offence under Section
25 of the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act 2000 to be in possession of a firearm/weapon if you are
unable to produce on demand, your photo licence authorising possession of the firearm/weapon. It is therefore
recommended you do not take possession until you are in physical receipt of the licence."
:

I'd interpret that to mean, initially you may be issued a PTA before you have received your photographic licence, and that the temporary paper licence, not being a 'photo licence' is not sufficient.

[Mr.Seacucumber]

On the reverse side of a Queensland PTA,,

PERMIT TO ACQUIRE/DISPOSAL INSTRUCTIONS[/u]

3. "Whilst you have received your issued Permit to Aquire, you should be aware that it is an offence under Section
25 of the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act 2000 to be in possession of a firearm/weapon if you are
unable to produce on demand, your photo licence authorising possession of the firearm/weapon. It is therefore
recommended you do not take possession until you are in physical receipt of the licence."
:

I'd interpret that to mean, initially you may be issued a PTA before you have received your photographic licence, and that the temporary paper licence, not being a 'photo licence' is not sufficient.

Wow, I wonder if this is in the Victoria one, I hope not.

[adam]

Wow, I wonder if this is in the Victoria one, I hope not.

The last firearms license I saw in Victoria (paper license, prior to a photo licence being obtained) which was a few months ago specifically had the text along the lines of 'This receipt can not be used as a license'. (Not the exact wording, but what it meant).

Even though the form is almost identical to one a new driver gets before the photo ID arrives - which can immediately be used as a proof of license - the firearms license was not.

Cars kill more people each year in Victoria than firearms. The discrimination against LFO's is pretty obvious. I don't believe it used to be like that, but in this case they had to wait for their photo license to come back from Vicroads until they could carry a firearm.

It's just another way they've slowly being sneakily trying to pull the reigns in tighter. GCA say that things have loosened since '96 - I beg to differ. Vicpol first releasing a new set of guidelines as to carriage of firearms, and this sneaky tactic - all going in under the radar - I don't want to get the tin foil hat out, however it does seem as though cogs are moving behind the scenes to make changes slowly and quietly... bit by bit hoping that no one notices.

And to what end - it's just more harassment. It serves no purpose. Someone's gone through the effort to get their license, being approved, but a drivers license or other form of ID plus the paper receipt isn't enough? It's not stopping crime, or affecting criminals or terrorists. All it's doing is hindering some law abiding person who's already had to jump through multiple hoops and wait, to wait even longer again. It only affects those who are doing the right thing.

The only reason I can see for it is to make someone in regulations who came up with the idea happier that they have 'given it to' the LFO's just that little bit more. If someone can give me a better plausible reason for it, I'm all open - but I can't see the purpose.

If cars, boats, and other licenses were the same I could understand - but targeting firearm owners only...

[<<Genesis93>>]

They appear to be clutching at straws.... they dont really want you have have guns, so they hope you can defer the acquisition as long as possible....

They cant spell ak...aq...acquire, neither can they read the law theyre quoting, it says;

This section applies if a person is required under the Weapons Act 1990
—
(a) to be the holder of a licence or permit to acquire under that Act

then

(2) A police officer may require the person to produce to a police officer for inspection at a stated reasonable place and time, within 48 hours, any of the following documents—
(a) the photo licence or permit to acquire;

It goes without saying, if the PTA has your name on it, you buy the gun, apart from the fact the dealer needs to be convinced you ave a licence, in addition to the PTA.....

The QPOL will have not issued the PTA without a licence in force / valid / in your name....

The law they quote sums it up; the police POWERS..... flex their muscle and do their best to keep the community in fear.....


https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/legi ... resa00.pdf

[PaladinAus]

Well on the plus side, it's obviously a state specific issue. In SA, once you've taken your data card and paid, it's all good and counts as your licence.

[adam]

Correct me, but once you buy a firearm, don't you hand the PTA over to the dealer? If that's the case, it'd be a bit hard to present it? (Or have I recalled incorrectly, which is quite possible).

[VICHunter]

In Victoria yes, the dealer keeps the PTA when you take the firearm, and a week or two later you received a registration certificate (not a "permit") for your records.

Been forever since I've looked at mine so I may have the title of the certificate wrong but you get the idea.

[AnotherMisfire]

Bit confused over this... I have a few (qld) permits lying around and had a look and none of them have the wording you're talking about.

Where are you looking?

Could you add a picture?

Thanks

[Die Judicii]

Bit confused over this... I have a few (qld) permits lying around and had a look and none of them have the wording you're talking about.

Where are you looking?

Could you add a picture?

Thanks

Yeah mate,
It is on the back ( #3 ) of the top half (which we keep) of the "PERMIT TO ACQUIRE", (form 27)
The bottom half is retained by the dealer, who then sends it off to the powers to be. (God)

[AnotherMisfire]

(2) A police officer may require the person to produce to a police officer for inspection at a stated reasonable place and time, within 48 hours, any of the following documents—
(a) the photo licence or permit to acquire;

You stopped reading the section too soon...

It goes on to say-

However, if an individual has physical possession of a weapon, a police officer may require the individual to produce immediately to the police officer for inspection the weapon and the photo licence authorising possession of the weapon.

[AnotherMisfire]

Bit confused over this... I have a few (qld) permits lying around and had a look and none of them have the wording you're talking about.

Where are you looking?

Could you add a picture?

Thanks

Yeah mate,
It is on the back ( #3 ) of the top half (which we keep) of the "PERMIT TO ACQUIRE", (form 27)
The bottom half is retained by the dealer, who then sends it off to the powers to be. (God)

Had another look - my Permits from last year say what you were talking about. But my recent ones have that wording replaced.

Every time I hear "allegedly" I think of Michael Jacksons ghost from South Park - http://youtu.be/Z2Di716BBXQ

[Wes]

Ha ha ha