Yet another point to be pis*ed off about.

[Die Judicii]

After all the hurdles and hoops a LAFO has to contend with to get a firearms license,, compared to a driver license,,

When you are asked for photo ID, try presenting your "Firearms" license, and see what happens.

Since the photo license's inception I have tried this many, many times at Banks, Libraries, Servos, Councils, etc etc.
Not even once has it been accepted on its own merit. They always insist on a drivers license as ID.

It does work at Banks etc if coupled with other photo ID to reach the 100 point requirement.
I have had stand up arguments with people in councils and the like over their refusal to accept my firearms license as photo ID
In fact several times I have said "Well, you don't want my business do you ?" and walked out.

As yet another way of highlighting the combined power of LAFO's,,,,,, Shouldn't we all start using the firearms license as ID at every opportunity ?

After all it is a very powerful LEGAL "document".

[Heckler303]

You are very right Die Judicii, here in tasmania it is a genuine form of I.D, worth a whole 40 points. Combine that with a birth certificate or a passport and you've already got 110 points. Places that require a form of I.D for any purpose have to legally accept a firearms license as I.D, no two ways about it.

[No1Mk3]

G'day Die Judicii,
Have been doing it for a few years now, and like you have had to insist it be accepted now and then. In Post Offices there is (was?) a poster detailing acceptable ID for picking up parcels that stated "Firearms Licence" on it with the others so I took a photo of it and carried that with me for a while. They say "No", I say "Good enough for Aussie Post, good enough for you!" and show them the pic. Always worked. Cheers and keep at it.

[Chronos]

a lot of places won't accept it simply because it doesn't have your residential address on it, others because they've never seen one before and wouldn't know if it's real of not

Chronos

[tom604]

i use mine all the time, never had a problem?

[Supaduke]

Victorian licenses do have your residential address on it

[AusTac]

Not to keen on flashing it around and will always use other forms of id before my firearms license besides any firearms related purchases obviously, but done it in a pinch a few times and it always seemed to get treated second rate like " oh... you have a shooters license you'll have to sign this " theres always a sigh or a but when presented

[Die Judicii]

Victorian licenses do have your residential address on it

They do ????????



Where's the security in that ?

[adam]

I've got to admit, while I've used mine on a hand full of occasions, but are very reluctant to use if if I don't have to. I don't know who the person is I'm showing it to, and I don't want to advertise my name, address and the fact that I have firearms to unknowns.

[Die Judicii]

" oh... you have a shooters license you'll have to sign this " theres always a sigh or a but when presented

My point exactly

[<<Genesis93>>]

Victorian licenses do have your residential address on it

They do ????????



Where's the security in that ?

Security???? pfffffft who care hey... the police have a database accessible around the nation and further, as secure as a garden shed locked with hope and aspiration......

I recall the matter of address was raised . mentioned by 'our guys' in Vic Parliament, but like their motion to critically review the firearm law, was probably shot down...

I normally use the firearm licence when asked for ID, more so to mi it up and annoy/confuse the other party.... the fact that its the most difficult form of ID to obtain means nothing to them, if they've been 'learned' to 'view a drivers licence' ...

If they, out of ignorance refuse, just tell them you don't have a DL (I have previously)....failing that they can call the number on the card and as Snr Sgt Registrar to confirm the details and currency of the document...

[Barrettmr]

I have a high risk work license for crane, dogger, forklift etc. It has a photo, a queensland gov. emblem on it and it's worthless as ID. I'm not game to bring out the fireams license for the same reason now.

[GLS_1956]

I have made it a practice to, as much as possible, use my CCW permit as a means of ID. Most often I have no problem, actually the only "problem" I've ever had is when a clerk asked his supervisor if the CCW was acceptable, which it was.

More often than not they hardly blink an eye. I think they really don't even realize what it is I've shown them. But on occasions I've been asked what I carry, as they tell me what their choice is, or how to go about getting a permit. But such is life in "The Wild American West", which is to say Oklahoma, as opposed to the "Civilized World" otherwise known as Illinois, California, New York, and Massachusetts.

[AnotherMisfire]

I have a high risk work license for crane, dogger, forklift etc. It has a photo, a queensland gov. emblem on it and it's worthless as ID. I'm not game to bring out the fireams license for the same reason now.

Neither the gun or hrwl are allowed to be accepted under Qld's liquor licensing laws.

If we want any of this to change, then we need to lobby when reviews of those laws occur. It's not a gun licence issue: it's an issue in general.

[<<Genesis93>>]

It is odd that the firearm licence isnt recognised under the liquor law, but is probably a result of no date of birth being on the card, even though the licence is not available to minors(assuming like vic a minor licence says 'junior')

Fear not though, the stupid doesnt end there.....unless the minister has made a specific determination - a BIRTH CERTIFICATE is neither acceptable!

YAY for QLD, 'the only state with 2 constitutions running'.... or is the plural constitutia??

The following msg is for 18+ only (as mandated by the chief surgeon;

[AnotherMisfire]

Two constitutions? Try twice that!

Our gun licences do have our birthday on them. Don't they down in vic?

[<<Genesis93>>]

VIC has dob, I assumed yours didnt....

4 constitutions?

[GLS_1956]

I have an ornery streak in me, maybe a little sadistic at times. As I've mentioned previously I have a carry permit, one day a few years back I was shopping at a local branch of a regional bookstore, when on leaving I set off their "Inventory Control" alert, or shoplifting alarm. This twenty something salesperson comes running over and takes my bag, I'd stepped back inside the store when the alarm went off and takes it over to the register to check the contents and deactivate and sensors, or what ever they're called. When I stepped back through the doors the alarm went off again and this time some thirtyish manager comes over and asks me if: "I might have forgotten to pay for anything?". After I reply in the negative he asks me if I'd mind emptying my pockets. Now my son was with me and upon hearing the manager's request he backed off to get a good look at the upcoming show.

"Not at all" I replied to his request and as he held out his hand I dropped, well actually carefully placed still in its pocket holster, my 38 caliber snubnose revolver, followed by two strips of reloads. The look on this "manager's" face was absolutely magnificent, it couldn't have been any better if I'd dropped a 6 foot long rattlesnake into his hands. He quickly apologized for stopping me and I took the gun back and went on my way. Since then I've been back to the store many, many, times both armed and unarmed and have sometimes set off the alarms but most often not. But not once since that day have I been asked to empty my pockets and surprisingly the staff at that store, including the manager, has changed over several times. Yes I should have shown him my permit and asked if he wanted to do this out in public, but it would not have been as fun.

[VICHunter]

They do ????????



Where's the security in that ?

Absent.