Flood of adler ... Ban ban ban again FFS!

[Title_II]

You know when they will be satisfied.

[sandgroperbill]

I'm just waiting for the additional license to come back so i can pick up my adler and model 12.

Having handled the adler, it isn't anything special, just lighter than the 1887. The lever will have to be worked to smoothen it out, but it is choice, a lever shottie that isn't an 1887

[Supaduke]

Rogue gun dealers ?? I wonder if the author knows how expensive and difficult it is to obtain a dealers license . I strongly doubt any dealer would risk selling to the black market for a few bucks on the side. Nothing like unsubstantiated drivel to jazz up an article

[sbd3927]

"This includes more than 250,000 long-arms and 10,000 handguns in the illicit market, according to the Australian Crime Commission."

"Theft is the greatest source of illegal guns. The Australian Institute of Criminology estimates that between 1500 and 1800 firearms are being stolen each year."

260,000/1500 to 1800 = 143 to 173 years
SO.... the criminals have been really, really busy, apparently they've managed to steal 150 YEARS WORTH of firearms.

Half of the illegal firearms must be blackpowder firearms

[Supaduke]

"This includes more than 250,000 long-arms and 10,000 handguns in the illicit market, according to the Australian Crime Commission."

"Theft is the greatest source of illegal guns. The Australian Institute of Criminology estimates that between 1500 and 1800 firearms are being stolen each year."

260,000/1500 to 1800 = 143 to 173 years
SO.... the criminals have been really, really busy, apparently they've managed to steal 150 YEARS WORTH of firearms.

Half of the illegal firearms must be blackpowder firearms

Let's not let actual facts ruin a good story. The clown who wrote this article was obviously very lazy in fact checking. Pretty much summarises the standard of "journalism" these days. It's all about sensationalism and pushing an agenda. Borderline criminal really.....

[adam]

^^^ Nice pick up there using maths. Just another clear evidence that lies are continually being poured out to justify their claims.

Maybe it's about time they did toughen up laws. Make it illegal to lie. That would be the start of a better world... Would clear out most of the current politicians pretty quick too.

[Gwion]

I'm just waiting for the additional license to come back so i can pick up my adler and model 12.

Having handled the adler, it isn't anything special, just lighter than the 1887. The lever will have to be worked to smoothen it out, but it is choice, a lever shottie that isn't an 1887

Apparently they feed much more reliably than the 1887 models, which is what makes them attractive to me. Very keen to see a side by side comparison between Adler & Pardus.

[Bark]

Just reading the latest thing in the paper at my coffee shop on this "high power semi-automatic" death machine

[Squiddy]

"This includes more than 250,000 long-arms and 10,000 handguns in the illicit market, according to the Australian Crime Commission."

"Theft is the greatest source of illegal guns. The Australian Institute of Criminology estimates that between 1500 and 1800 firearms are being stolen each year."

260,000/1500 to 1800 = 143 to 173 years
SO.... the criminals have been really, really busy, apparently they've managed to steal 150 YEARS WORTH of firearms.

Half of the illegal firearms must be blackpowder firearms

The 250k & 10k handgun figures probably include illegal imports that arrive in the country via various means in addition to thefts.

The way it is written though heavily implies everyone has their guns stolen and later used for unlawful purposes.

I say let the storm pass and lets all just keep being responsible. Its a hot topic with the 20th anniversary of Port Arthur and relatively slow news days of late. I wonder if this issue will resurface during the election campaign, but I doubt it considering no major political party will want to lose the votes.

[hughston]

I'd be happy with the cops to check my safe every few years so I could own a
semi-auto firearm, or maybe club members only allowed to have semi-autos? I don't shoot pistols because it takes so long to get a license. As for Adler it should be a-b Licence, but there s**t anyway. I can't see any licensing change in the near future, but who knows.

[juststarting]

Hughston, this doesn't .make sense. What's the difference between club member and not club member, from ownership point of view? Or age limit, again, what's the difference. Cat a/b makes you run the burocratic gauntlet and do all sorts of checks. How is club membership or age limit relate to this?

[sandgroperbill]

is it possible for somebody to be fit and proper for cat a but not cat b? If someone is fit and proper, then what's the issue? And should someone that wants to shoot paper be allowed a semi-auto while someone that wants to reduce pig numbers be limited to bolt/lever?

I'm failing to follow any of your logic here. Perhaps you could provide us with something to support your thoughts and theories?

I personally don't belong to a club, I go out on weekends, the farmer let's me know where there have been problems and I help out where I can. Does this mean that I am inferior to a target shooter in some way or my reason for possessing a firearm is less legitimate? or maybe because I don't belong to a club I am not a safe person?

[hughston]

Hughston, this doesn't .make sense. What's the difference between club member and not club member, from ownership point of view? Or age limit, again, what's the difference. Cat a/b makes you run the burocratic gauntlet and do all sorts of checks. How is club membership or age limit relate to this?

As much as I'd love to be able to just pass a written test and have all category licence A to Z, there are those irresponsible types out there that need relevant training and experience before they shoot & seen it first hand. Plus there's also a lot of new types seeking asylum from lawless countries that are causing a lot of new problems that we never really had before, Aus is changing

[juststarting]

Ok, so perhaps the way that message should be read is, semis, for examples, should be allowed, but with more stringent checks? Is that what you're saying?

[adam]

Aus is changing

It's already changed. It changed decades ago... but you are right - it continues to change...

Being "progressive" I believe is what they call it... as though it's a positive thing.

[Heckler303]

Ok, so perhaps the way that message should be read is, semis, for examples, should be allowed, but with more stringent checks? Is that what you're saying?

His original post doesn't make any sense at all. If I'm responsible enough with something Cat A or Cat B, surely I can use something from both Cat C and D without suddenly turning loony? NZ has no problem with self loaders, even Uk allows semi auto rimfire and shotgun, Canada too, but not us?

[juststarting]

Change is good. Progress is good.

[happyhunter]

Ok, so perhaps the way that message should be read is, semis, for examples, should be allowed, but with more stringent checks? Is that what you're saying?

His original post doesn't make any sense at all. If I'm responsible enough with something Cat A or Cat B, surely I can use something from both Cat C and D without suddenly turning loony? NZ has no problem with self loaders, even Uk allows semi auto rimfire and shotgun, Canada too, but not us?

That would be logical and rational. Things become irrational when too many laws apply. You can own a pump action rifle, but not a pump shotgun. Semi auto pistols are OK, but not semi auto rifles or shotguns. I stopped trying to find logic in our gun laws because there is no logic in our gun laws.

[Supporter]

Problem is they never review or revise, they just add.

Left hand doesn't know what the right has already done.

[DrDerpy]

I protested this latest crap in the best way I know, by ordering an Adler synthetic combo

Agree.
I legitimately had no interest in one of these until they started kicking all the dust up - so I ordered a Pardus LAX12.

If anything this has been a great lot of free advertising for Adler.

[Lorgar]

If anything this has been a great lot of free advertising for Adler.

Yep.

That's all the anti's have accomplished with the Adler so far.

[juststarting]

[southeast varmiter]

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[juststarting]

Well, I kinda stole it from Facebook.