At last, an answer to Roo numbers.

[tom604]

I'm no greenie and no conservationist and have no problem with bucks/does/joeys or whatever being targeted and dispatched, but p1ss poor markmanship is another matter. The fact that not one was head shot shows the shooter didn't have the confidence to do the job properly, hence the body shots.[/quote]

so if you are culling, you still have to shoot them in the head? i know if they are for the chillers you head shoot them (no meat damage) but culling is just about putting them down, is there a reg in place for that for culls?

[Die Judicii]

so if you are culling, you still have to shoot them in the head? i know if they are for the chillers you head shoot them (no meat damage) but culling is just about putting them down, is there a reg in place for that for culls?

Yes,,,,, "Head Shots"

On the cull permit I had in Sth Aus, it stated that they must be head shot.
I would envisage that all other states would be the same, but I don't have any first hand knowledge of the other states requirements.

Seems to be at odds with the aim (pardon the play on words) though.
I tend to think of culling in differing ways (my views only) because if culling sick or injured, your only taking one or two, with
head shots achievable.
If culling absolute numbers, your taking maybe 30 or 40 for example, and normally you wouldn't have a mob sitting still to allow that to happen.
In that situation, I don't imagine head shots would be achievable.
I have no idea what the law really would be.

[Arth]

Seems pretty arbitrary?

Depends on what cartridge you're culling with but I'm sure plenty of guys are using their trusty .308 as their do it all.

Like a .30 cal through the chest doesn't put a roo down quick-smart?

[Gwion]

It's not about putting the animal down; it's about killing it in the shortest possible time, ie: instantly. The only way to instantly kill anything it to cause catastrophic damage to the central nervous system. The only reliable way to do that is to take out the brain with an accurate head shot.

With a 'vitals' shot, even though they may drop and not move and will bleed out very quickly; it is still not strictly an 'instant' kill.

This is the reasoning behind the government guidelines/rules requiring head shots. For meat harvest, it also is about minimising spoilage of product (damage meat) and chance of contamination for human consumption.

[Elek]

I suspect Arths comment about headshots being an arbitrary requirement is why is it fine (even recommended) to do chest shots when controlling vermin or "hunting" game, but not for "culling".

I don't have any experience in this but I'm sure we've all seen the aerial culling of pigs. No regular headshots happening there.

The government still make the guidelines/rules for hunting deer but there is no such requirement.

[adam]

So why the discrimination then from the government?

Why are Kangaroo's any different to Pigs, Foxes, Rabbits, rats, mice, etc that it must be headshots but the others can be baited, dying a slower death by poison, by traps, or by torso shots, etc?

I understand the quick and humane death thing (I prefer quick kills myself when hunting)... but it seems a little impractical for farmers, not to mention illogical and more emotional based.

[tom604]

I suspect Arths comment about headshots being an arbitrary requirement is why is it fine (even recommended) to do chest shots when controlling vermin or "hunting" game, but not for "culling".

I don't have any experience in this but I'm sure we've all seen the aerial culling of pigs. No regular headshots happening there.

The government still make the guidelines/rules for hunting deer but there is no such requirement.

this is why i asked ^^ and if im on a goat cull its not a head shot only cull ,,maybe its because its a roo you would think that center of mass would be better than a head shot in a cull situation ,,get more on the ground faster/easier . i know they do chopper culls for deer in the south east and i would bet my last dollar that head shots are not the norm. talking culls not chiller

[Gwion]

Dunno... may come down to the fact that 'roos are on the national coat of arms... In Tas they recommend either head or chest shots when culling wallaby but they are much smaller and less robust than eastern greys or reds.

[on_one_wheel]

I've recently been given a permit to destroy roos in SA.
A estimation of roo numbers was given to DEWNR by the agronomist. He estimated 500 - 600 Western Grey Kangaroos (a very conservative estimation)
The permit was granted for 75 roos from the 150 applied for.
The permit was emailed along with a 20 page code of conduct fir shooting kangaroos and wallabies for non comercial purposes.
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Point of aim
(i) A shooter using a rifle must aim so as to hit the target kangaroo or wallaby in the brain (see Schedule 2).
(ii) A shooter using a shotgun must aim so that, whether the target kangaroo or wallaby is stationary or mobile, it will be hit in the head or chest by the centre of the shot pattern.
(iii) A shooter must not aim so as to hit the target kangaroo or wallaby in any other part of the body than those specified in (i) and (ii) above.
Follow-up
(i) The shooter must be certain that each kangaroo or wallaby is dead before another is targeted.
(ii) If a kangaroo or wallaby is still alive after being shot, every reasonable effort must be made immediately to locate and kill it before any attempt is made to shoot another animal. The injured kangaroo or wallaby must be euthanased in accordance with the methods outlined in Section 4.

Copy of the code below
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&sour ... xuWXR4bHdA

The point they make elsewhere in the code of conduct is " to cause instantaneous death"

[scaredyet]

Do you pay for a permit

[on_one_wheel]

I'll ask the wife when I see her next, she organized it. Im pretty sure there was no payment made to DEWNR.

[tom604]

thanks for the follow up may have to do my roo accreditation, just in case

[Baronvonrort]

Do you pay for a permit

Does the government give anything away for free, have porcine animals become aerodynamic?

[on_one_wheel]

thanks for the follow up may have to do my roo accreditation, just in case

The oy accreditation you need in SA is your current FA license.

[GCCA]

The reason some (not all some) chillers only want bucks is because they sell the hides and the pouch on the does messes with the available leather. 99% of commercially manufactured goods using roo leather is from a buck.

In Vic if you are shooting roos for the chillers they have to be head shot, if you injure a roo and it is not killed i.e jaw shot then you are allowed to follow up with a chest shot, but if you continually turn up to the chillers with chest shot roos you will lose your accreditation.

[on_one_wheel]

Do you pay for a permit

No fee for the permit for destruction in sa, they must generate revenue from the professionals, the processing license isn't cheep.