When is "Permanent" not Permanent ?

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When is "Permanent" not Permanent ?

Post by Die Judicii » 11 Aug 2016, 12:48 am

I kid you not, and would like clarification on the following.

I was reading the "Qld Weapons Act 1990" and came across this.

Qld Weapons Act 1990,
62 part 2

"A person must not, without reasonable excuse, make operable a firearm that is required to be, and has been,
made permanently inoperable under this act."

My question is begging an answer,,,,,, When is permanent not permanent ?
I can find no definition of the word "permanent" in the Act.
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Re: When is "Permanent" not Permanent ?

Post by sandgroperbill » 11 Aug 2016, 1:07 am

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Re: When is "Permanent" not Permanent ?

Post by Oldbloke » 11 Aug 2016, 8:02 am

"A person must not, without reasonable excuse, make operable a firearm that is required to be, and has been,
made permanently inoperable under this act."

"My question is begging an answer,,,,,, When is permanent not permanent ?"

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Re: When is "Permanent" not Permanent ?

Post by bladeracer » 11 Aug 2016, 9:25 am

Die Judicii wrote:I kid you not, and would like clarification on the following.

I was reading the "Qld Weapons Act 1990" and came across this.

Qld Weapons Act 1990,
62 part 2

"A person must not, without reasonable excuse, make operable a firearm that is required to be, and has been,
made permanently inoperable under this act."

My question is begging an answer,,,,,, When is permanent not permanent ?
I can find no definition of the word "permanent" in the Act.



If they haven't defined it then it's the normal dictionary meaning.
Basically, a long but undefined period.

From those I've seen, welding the chamber up or cutting a hole in the barrel near the chamber, welding the bolt to the receiver, welding the firing pin hole, grinding off the firing pin of an open bolt, welding the firing mechanism, welding the deactivated barrel to the receiver and such seem to be accepted as permanent. If you can swap in new parts (bolt, barrel, trigger group, etc) and make it functional then it's not permanent.
As an ARMY cadet in the '80's we had SLR parade and drill rifles. They had the chamber welded up and the rats tail on the bolt was replaced with a length of steel rod welded to the bolt. There were probably other things that I never noticed, but essentially we could strip them pretty much like real ones.

Any firearm can be made to work again regardless of its condition, even those that have been crushed, blown up, cut up or welded together. It just comes down to how much money you want to throw at it.
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Re: When is "Permanent" not Permanent ?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 11 Aug 2016, 11:43 am

the common terms generally accepted in definition, when in doubt I'd refer to Black's definition;

What is PERMANENT?

Fixed, enduring, abiding, not subject to change. Generally opposed in law to "temporary."

Law Dictionary: What is PERMANENT? definition of PERMANENT (Black's Law Dictionary)


So if its 'welded up' it would be fixed.....as generally accepted with rendering firearms inoperable...(I hate the thought of destroying firearms, anyway :unknown: )
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Re: When is "Permanent" not Permanent ?

Post by AnotherMisfire » 13 Aug 2016, 10:21 am

Actually, it is defined. It's just in the regulation not the act. The answer is by fusion welding or sectioning.

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/W/WeaponsR96.pdf#page100

As for the logic behind how something permanently inoperable can be made operable again... The answer is the same as how a gunmaker can turn steel and wood into a firearm in the first place :)

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