Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 08 Oct 2018, 11:08 am

Urastus wrote:9mm is really quite good, it seems. I also came across .327, which looks awesome for a flatter shooting round, but not enough market commitment. 9mm is mostly driven by the US; their whole emphasis on handgun ownership seems to be self defense, so they want something that makes a bigger hole, manageable muzzle flip for follow up shots etc. I don't really need something that makes a big hole :D I'd probably like something that shoots flat to 100m - maybe even a .22wmr? But that wouldn't satisfy the events I'm interested in. I don't know if you've come across this dude blade, he seems no bs; he used to train marines in marksmanship. This is an interesting story if you're into hadguns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTTDgZZZFa0

and this:

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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 08 Oct 2018, 7:07 pm

A couple of other calibers I liked the sound of are the 221 fireball and FN 5.7x28. Both flat shooters, but pretty much unsupported by manufacturers. If possible, definitely in the stupidly expensive realm because of their non popularity. Right now ruger make .327 federal magnum revolvers (gp100), but you can't get the ammo anywhere. I think we have a bit of an identity crisis :) Handguns in the US civilian population are primarily for self defense, handguns here for the civilian population are primarily (and mostly legally) for club use.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 08 Oct 2018, 7:23 pm

I'll probably get a 357 and mostly run .38 super +p, which looks doable especially reloading. Another good looking flat shooter, apparently, is the 357 sig. Again, ammo is the problem.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 08 Oct 2018, 7:29 pm

Urastus wrote:A couple of other calibers I liked the sound of are the 221 fireball and FN 5.7x28. Both flat shooters, but pretty much unsupported by manufacturers. If possible, definitely in the stupidly expensive realm because of their non popularity. Right now ruger make .327 federal magnum revolvers (gp100), but you can't get the ammo anywhere. I think we have a bit of an identity crisis :) Handguns in the US civilian population are primarily for self defense, handguns here for the civilian population are primarily (and mostly legally) for club use.


I don't see much point in the 5.7 for civilian use, but it offers some small advantages for military/LEO stuff - defeating body armour while maintaining low risk to bystanders. It allows using the same ammo in a sidearm and a carbine, but really it just means you have a weak carbine.
It's basically a centrefire .22WMR which has the advantage of being reloadable so you can tailor it to suit your needs.

.221 Fireball I know nothing about, but I would think a tight-twist .223 would be a better choice and just load it down to .221 levels if you want, while keeping the heavier bullet/higher velocity capabilities of the .223.

I have been a little intrigued by the .327 Mag though as I've seen a lever rifle chambered for it. But I doubt I would own one as the .357 Mag already does everything the .327 offers.

While a lot of people in the US own and carry handguns for defence purposes, I think they still get used mostly for plinking at targets and competition, but it is a very different market to ours where we have a very limited range of uses.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 08 Oct 2018, 7:37 pm

Urastus wrote:I'll probably get a 357 and mostly run .38 super +p, which looks doable especially reloading. Another good looking flat shooter, apparently, is the 357 sig. Again, ammo is the problem.


I wouldn't be concerned about flat-shooting in a handgun, range is limited by sight radius more than by trajectory. From the muzzle out to 100m you can pretty much hold dead-on with a 9mm semi-auto.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 08 Oct 2018, 10:31 pm

6" drop for 9mm at 100 yards (91m), according to Paul :) 5.7 at 100 yards, 0. It's not just that, sure 9mm can do it, but why not have a caliber that is good for targets and comps? With rifles we have .308 which is good for shooting deer, but the 6.5cm is supposedly king on the range and less recoil with a smaller slug. You don't need huge recoil or a big slug. 9mm is a compromise really for self defense; it makes a big hole, it punches through layers of clothing blah blah, reasonable recoil, reasonable follow up shots. I'll probably end up with 9mm, because it's easy (cheap, wide availability). But I think there are better rounds for what us club shooters do, or want to do. I'd take a poke at the 200m gong :)
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 08 Oct 2018, 11:17 pm

Urastus wrote:6" drop for 9mm at 100 yards (91m), according to Paul :) 5.7 at 100 yards, 0. It's not just that, sure 9mm can do it, but why not have a caliber that is good for targets and comps? With rifles we have .308 which is good for shooting deer, but the 6.5cm is supposedly king on the range and less recoil with a smaller slug. You don't need huge recoil or a big slug. 9mm is a compromise really for self defense; it makes a big hole, it punches through layers of clothing blah blah, reasonable recoil, reasonable follow up shots. I'll probably end up with 9mm, because it's easy (cheap, wide availability). But I think there are better rounds for what us club shooters do, or want to do. I'd take a poke at the 200m gong :)


Drop at 100yds is dependant on what range you are zeroed at, but I guess what I meant is, for the potential accuracy you get from a 9mm semi-auto, you can hold dead-on to 100m. I don't recall what sort of groups I could shoot at 100m, but I could regularly hit the head of the old-style IPSC silhouette target at 85m (the longest range we had at the time) offhand, so I would guess around 8-10MoA offhand. I can't recall ever doing any rested target shooting past about 25m with a handgun. I did fairly regularly check zero, which was about a palm-width high at about 30m offhand (sight picture level with the shoulders for head shots), and I really only used 147gn bullets - I still have a few rounds of it.

I was able to shoot most of the cartridges that people were using in IPSC - 9mm, .38 Super, .40 S&W, .45ACP, .38 Special, .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum and probably a few odd ones that I've forgotton. I prefer 9mm for IPSC, but for simple enjoyment of shooting I prefer the .357 Magnum revolver.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 09 Oct 2018, 11:23 am

Hah, most people seem a bit reluctant to shoot 357, it's almost like "I suppose I must" :) Are you one of those dudes who loves the recoil? I do. Like riding a triumph rocket and you want it to go harder. Dudes have damaged their hearing (blown ear drums) shooting them in confined spaces.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 09 Oct 2018, 11:44 am

Urastus wrote:Hah, most people seem a bit reluctant to shoot 357, it's almost like "I suppose I must" :) Are you one of those dudes who loves the recoil? I do. Like riding a triumph rocket and you want it to go harder. Dudes have damaged their hearing (blown ear drums) shooting them in confined spaces.


Nope, I hate recoil :-)
.44 Mag with full-power loads is manageable but too much for regular shooting, but lighter .44 loads and .357 Mag aren't a problem. I have no interest in shooting something painful just to add it to my experience. I did get to shoot some sort of blackpowder percussion revolver when I was very young and showed up at a pistol club for a look see - that was okay.

I've shot 9mm from inside vehicles, including an M113 APC, oil drums and such and the recoil and blast can cause PTSD :-)
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Post by Urastus » 09 Oct 2018, 4:47 pm

I saw black powder handguns at a club in Kununurra eons ago. All I remember is how loud it was, and not being able to see anything for a minute or so - Kaboooom! How was your hearing after the m113? I'm guessing you didn't have ears on.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 09 Oct 2018, 5:05 pm

Urastus wrote:I saw black powder handguns at a club in Kununurra eons ago. All I remember is how loud it was, and not being able to see anything for a minute or so - Kaboooom! How was your hearing after the m113? I'm guessing you didn't have ears on.


I did a shoot at Kununurra pistol club in '92 while I was working up there. I only went once though, I preferred to fly to Darwin or Perth every eight weeks to shoot an IPSC comp.

We had ears on :-)
The APC was at Swanbourne Barracks in Perth when we shot IPSC with the SAS. One bloke had a desert Eagle which people were lining up to see him shooting that thing in the APC :-)

Shooting IPSC double-taps while laying in or crawling through 44-gallon drums was probably the most brutal shock waves I've experienced from a handgun.
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Post by Urastus » 10 Oct 2018, 2:32 pm

Awesome! I was there not long before you, I think. Maybe not long after K89. I had keys to the rowing club, used to go rowing on lake kununurra with the crocs (it really improved my balance :) ), and then to the pistol club a couple of hundred meters away. That was my Sat morning. I remember desert eagles when they were the only auto that ran 375 - they really had a reputation in those days. I was in norforce (army reserve) we did all our training with SAS because we were the same sort of unit - reconnaissance and surveillance with an emphasis on self reliance for extended periods (ie living off the land). We had experts like Les Hiddens teaching us. Lots of sneaky stuff without any confrontation - it was fun though.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 10 Oct 2018, 2:43 pm

Urastus wrote:Awesome! I was there not long before you, I think. Maybe not long after K89. I had keys to the rowing club, used to go rowing on lake kununurra with the crocs (it really improved my balance :) ), and then to the pistol club a couple of hundred meters away. That was my Sat morning. I remember desert eagles when they were the only auto that ran 375 - they really had a reputation in those days.


I used to go fishing in the Ord River area in behind Argyle with the blackfellas, big catfish and even bigger crocs :-)
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Post by Urastus » 10 Oct 2018, 4:46 pm

There were commercial fishing operations on lake argyle for big cat fish (over 1 meter). They called them silver cobbler. I swam with the big ones once (with goggles) and they scared s**t out of me :) I had to remind myself that they don't have teeth. They all came at me and started chomping me with their gums. On long trips I used to live on catfish and donkey. I'd shoot a donkey, spend a day butchering and smoking the meat.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by vmaxaust » 11 Oct 2018, 5:53 am

grainweight wrote:Just in terms of personal preference what do you like?

Casting a vote for revolver here, cause they got style! 8-)


Semi auto person here...45ACP, 9mm and 22. However, my Ruger GP100 38/357 is so great out of the box it's hard not be a wheelgun person as well.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by JSS » 11 Oct 2018, 8:31 am

I've got a foot in both camps, i put a lot more rounds through my semi's, but then nothing beats a ruger vaquero in 357mag to put a smile on your face.

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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Rod_outbak » 11 Oct 2018, 11:41 am

I've fired some really nice revolvers in my life. Neighbour had a Colt Python 6" in .357, and it was sweet to fire. It just rolled in your hand, and was back in line for the next round in an eyeblink. My Colt Anaconda (.45LC) was much the same, only bigger. No-one who fired it ever complained about the Anaconda being nasty to shoot.
Same story for a few S&W 686, and a S&W 617 (Not sure about that model - blued .357 with 6" barrel) that I've fired; all roll nicely in your fist, and fabulous guns.

Even that BFR that I fired here in .30-30, was quite a pleasant beast to shoot. Heavy and huge, but the recoil was nicely managed.

The two revolvers I've fired that I hated were a Ruger Redhawk in some bitey calibre, which was scarey violent to shoot. Other was a revolver my BIL bought on bad advice; I think it was a Ruger Blackhawk, in .30 Carbine, of all calibres! Bloody thing had a 7.5" barrel, but the bloody handgrip only came half-way down my palm, and there just wasnt enough handgrip to tame the rather sharp recoil. Thankfully, he got rid of it fairly quickly, and bought a little .22 Auto.

I have handled a Ruger GP100 with a 6" barrel in stainless w/- rubber grips, and it felt like it would be a nice thing to shoot, but havent tried one out.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 17 Oct 2018, 10:55 am

Hey Rod, the 686 and the gp100 are often compared in reviews. They seem evenly split. I continued researching the whole revolver vs pistol thing, funny enough velocities aren't uniformly better or worse with either action, mostly it comes down to individual guns. I've seen a lot of failure to feed and failure to eject with pistols, esp in .22, so I'm still thinking revolver.
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