6.5x52mm Carcano

Calibres, cartridges, ballistics tables and ammunition information.

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by Tripod » 21 Oct 2016, 9:08 am

bladeracer wrote:
Tripod wrote:Hey bladeracer, Did you get any loading clips with your Carcano? I didn't and can't find any local to me. Does anyone on here have any spares?



I got one with the rifle, he bought it separately as he knew he'd never sell the rifle without a clip.
And I have ten coming from the US, I can send you some of those when they arrive, I'm never going to need ten of them but I'm sure I'm capable of losing them easily enough :-)

Who in the US and how much? Numrich has them but the P&H kills it.
Tripod
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 277
Tasmania

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 21 Oct 2016, 9:36 am

Tripod wrote:Who in the US and how much? Numrich has them but the P&H kills it.


Numrich.
Five Carcano clips, two magazine springs for the M38, and some screws, with postage was US$78 - no complaints from me about that price.
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by Tripod » 21 Oct 2016, 9:46 am

bladeracer wrote:
Tripod wrote:Who in the US and how much? Numrich has them but the P&H kills it.


Numrich.
Five Carcano clips, two magazine springs for the M38, and some screws, with postage was US$78 - no complaints from me about that price.

If you are buying enough parts it is ok but I cant find anything else that they have that I need at the moment other than barrels which they won't ship international.
Tripod
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 277
Tasmania

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 21 Oct 2016, 10:33 am

Tripod wrote:If you are buying enough parts it is ok but I cant find anything else that they have that I need at the moment other than barrels which they won't ship international.



You would need an import permit for a barrel, and it probably has to be shipped to a dealer anyway.
I'm half expecting Customs to grab it for the magazine springs.

I'm also chasing the brass stock disc for the M38 but they're out of stock, and I'm not paying the crazy Ebay prices for it.
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by Tripod » 21 Oct 2016, 1:47 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Tripod wrote:If you are buying enough parts it is ok but I cant find anything else that they have that I need at the moment other than barrels which they won't ship international.



You would need an import permit for a barrel, and it probably has to be shipped to a dealer anyway.
I'm half expecting Customs to grab it for the magazine springs.

I'm also chasing the brass stock disc for the M38 but they're out of stock, and I'm not paying the crazy Ebay prices for it.

It says in their website they don't send barrels internationally (and heaps of other stuff)
But yes I have bought stuff from them you just need to make sure to buy enough to make it worth the $40+ for P&H etc
Tripod
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 277
Tasmania

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 21 Oct 2016, 1:57 pm

Tripod wrote:It says in their website they don't send barrels internationally (and heaps of other stuff)
But yes I have bought stuff from them you just need to make sure to buy enough to make it worth the $40+ for P&H etc



No US seller should ship any items covered by ITAR, which would include barrels.
Are you looking for original military barrels?
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 22 Oct 2016, 12:36 pm

Managed to do the chamber cast just now to confirm it is 6.5x52mm Carcano.
Struggling to find chamber dimensions but it fits cartridge dimensions very closely.
The only dimension that's out by a tad is the shoulder which is 0.0025" larger than the cartridge dimension.
Start of the bore is .2695" which shows 0.0015" of bore erosion but the throat is very nice so I'm happy with that.
Attachments
6.5x52mm Chamber Cast.jpg
6.5x52mm Chamber Cast.jpg (657.61 KiB) Viewed 1729 times
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 24 Oct 2016, 7:00 pm

100 new 6.5x52mm Carcano cases arrived today - $35 plus post.
Just waiting on bullets now :-(
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 30 Oct 2016, 12:54 pm

A bag of various 6.5mm bullets were in my mailbox on Friday :-)
Tried some Hornady 95gn VMax's in the old girl, unsuccessfully :-(
Still get a bloody big bang, but velocities were in the region of 700fps so the gas is overtaking the bullet in the barrel I think.
No keyholes out to 100m, but 400mm drop from 50m to 100m is not great :-)
I've read that longer bullets with a lot more bearing surface can tend to obturate just enough to make them work so I'll try the heavier ones as well.

Two places are telling me not to expect the Hornady .268" bullets this year, and they're $1 a piece if I ever do get them.
I haven't found a source of PPU bullets at all.
I'm going to hone out a .264" Lee sizing die to .270" and use cast .278" bullets for now.
I'm using the 6.5x55mm dies to deprime, neck size and seat bullets as nobody makes collet dies for it.
And I'm waiting on the carcano-specific shell holder so I'm priming them in the vice for now.
I've also paper patched some 6mm bullets up to .270" but haven't fired those yet.

And if anybody is aware of some .268" bullets on a shelf somewhere, let me know :-)
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 08 Nov 2016, 7:34 pm

32gn of AR2206H pushed the .264" 95gn VMax's to 700fps.
30gn of AR2206H behind a Hornady .243 75gn HP patched to .270" makes 1990fps, and is within a few inches of point of aim at 25m without tumbling.
Making up a batch of them tonight to do some more testing :-)
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 15 Nov 2016, 2:25 pm

Bit of an update :-)

I've had no luck finding .268" bullets anywhere. Hornady do small batches of a 160gn RN but the wait is long, and the cost is high. PPU do two bullets but I haven't found anybody that can supply those in Oz.
I've read that some people have had success with heavy blunt bullets. The long bearing surface allows the base of the bullet to obturate just enough to build pressure, so I have some 160gn RN .264's coming this week to try.

Paper-patching .243 bullets up to .270" works very well, but is fairly fiddly.
Cutting a .17WSM case in half and seating a .243 bullet into it to bring it up to .269" works even better, and is a little less fiddly. Gaznazdiac sent me several hundred empty .17WSM cases for the purpose - thanks Gaz :-)

But I found a machine shop locally that is happy to try to make me some bullets on their CNC machines to my spec.
So I was up during the night on the lathe and turned up two designs of .268" bullet, a semi-spitzer boat tail, and a round nose along the lines of the original military bullet. In brass, they weigh 132gn and 149gn and are 1.300" and 1.285" long. I'll ask him to make make me 50 of each to test. I'm hoping that once I have a design, they'll be able to make them to any OD and any length by simply changing those dimensions. I'll also get him to make hollow point versions. He can also do them in copper if I want, but machining copper sucks, so I'd expect those to cost more.

And does anybody happen to have an original Carcano military round nose bullet I could borrow to make a drawing from?
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 25 Nov 2016, 6:21 am

bentaz wrote:If your keen for a bit of a drive, Holts down in colac had a stack of them.



Thanks Bentaz, just emailed them :-)
Don't need to drive anywhere for bullets, I can get those by mail.
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 25 Nov 2016, 5:10 pm

bentaz wrote:They were loaded rounds i saw at holts



Yep, they got back to me, ammunition only, no bullets :-(
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 09 May 2017, 5:09 am

bentaz wrote:http://www.osaaustralia.com.au/products/projectiles/rifle-projectiles/6-5mm-268-caliber-268-carcano/
hornady make a bullet for the carcano



I finally have 200 of these suckers in hand!
Been chasing them up everywhere for months and none existed anywhere in Oz.
I emailed Hornady last week and asked them when they were doing a new run of the Carcano bullet - and they're doing a production run this month!
So I placed a back order via my local to ensure I get some.
I also ordered another 300 of the .264" 160gn RN to replenish my dwindling supply.
Got a call this morning that they had come in...along with the 200 Carcano bullets????
Seems the distributor had two boxes on the shelf that nobody had been able to find after numerous requests from various dealers :-)

I'm shooting a single load in my Carcano as it's the only one that works :-(
Hornady 160gn .264" RN on 28.5gn of AR2206H making around 1950fps. 30gn pushes it over 2000fps but with definite signs of pressure, and is unnecessary with the big fat 160gn round nose bullet.
Over the open sights it holds around 3MoA at 100m but 30-40mm low. Hopefully this week I'll be able to test shoot these and decide if they offer anything over the .264" version.
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by Heckler303 » 09 May 2017, 6:57 am

I admire anyone willing to go through all the BS and seriously try to make a carcano shoot well.

A Lee Enfield in 303-6.5 would not be half as much trouble as these POS.
If something doesn't work, apply rule .303!
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.
User avatar
Heckler303
Warrant Officer C2
Warrant Officer C2
 
Posts: 1072
Tasmania

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 09 May 2017, 7:09 am

Heckler303 wrote:I admire anyone willing to go through all the BS and seriously try to make a carcano shoot well.

A Lee Enfield in 303-6.5 would not be half as much trouble as these POS.


I hadn't really planned to make it shoot well, I just want to be able to shoot it :-)
I'm pretty happy with the accuracy so far, but I should be able to tweak it a bit better without too much effort I hope.

But the Lee would be far heavier and bulkier, and the cost of rebarreling to a wildcat would far outweigh my $200 investment in this little beauty :-)
The 30% increase in powder might be useful but the M96 or M38 would be a better choice than the Lee.
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by No1Mk3 » 09 May 2017, 6:05 pm

G'day bladeracer,
Would be interested to see how you go. My load for the rifle and carbine is 27.0g of 2206H, Hornady .268 160gRN, WLR primer, Norma case. It works very well in the Cavalry Carbine and M38, but is a bit slow in the rifle for 500m, having quite a bit of drop.
No1Mk3
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 877
Victoria

Re: 6.5x52mm Carcano

Post by bladeracer » 09 May 2017, 6:47 pm

No1Mk3 wrote:G'day bladeracer,
Would be interested to see how you go. My load for the rifle and carbine is 27.0g of 2206H, Hornady .268 160gRN, WLR primer, Norma case. It works very well in the Cavalry Carbine and M38, but is a bit slow in the rifle for 500m, having quite a bit of drop.


Will do.
I just loaded up twelve rounds with the .264" bullet and six rounds with the .267" bullet - both on 28.5gn of AR2206H.
I haven't tried below 28gn so far, with the .264" bullet I needed to push it hard to get it to seal and give pressure.
Have you tried the .264" 160gn RN as well?

My trajectory with the .264" 160gn RN at 1950fps with the standard sights gives a 75m zero, 15mm high at 50m, 35mm low at 100m, 180mm low at 150m, 450mm low at 200m, 1400mm low at 300m, 3100mm low at 400m and 5800mm low at 500m. That's a lot of Kentucky hold-over, and my 3MoA rifle is dropping them into a 450mm circle at best. The .264" bullet has very slightly better BC, which reduces 500m drop by about 100mm :-)
To zero mine at 500mm I need to be 1100mm high at 100m, with a 5mm shorter front sight.

What size bullseye are you aiming at at 500m? I'd like to give it a go myself :-)

The bullet drops under the magical 800ft/lbs at 175m so I'm thinking a 125mm zero would be neat. 60mm high at 75m and 160mm low at 175m. This would require filing the front sight down 0.3mm.
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 5598
Victoria

PreviousNext

Back to top
 
Return to Calibres, cartridges and ballistics