300 AAC blackout vs 308 Win

[bawoog]

Hi guys,

I'm looking for some info on 300 blackout vs 308 Win.

I see in a few rifles and websites and so on that 300 blackout seems to be a bit of a craze recently.

To my novice eyes it just looks like a .308 with less powder?

Or is that the appeal? A low recoil 30 calibre?

[Baldrick314]

Hi guys,

I'm looking for some info on 300 blackout vs 308 Win.

I see in a few rifles and websites and so on that 300 blackout seems to be a bit of a craze recently.

To my novice eyes it just looks like a .308 with less powder?

Or is that the appeal? A low recoil 30 calibre?

I don't know much about the calibre but I think I remember reading that one advantage of it is to use with a suppressor (in countries where it's legal) may be wrong though

[ebr love]

I don't know much about the calibre but I think I remember reading that one advantage of it is to use with a suppressor (in countries where it's legal) may be wrong though

In either case, that's not going to be an advantage here

[Beau Nottage]

Made for special force yanks to go in there ar's so they can be used with suppressors cos there subsonic but have more put down then a 5.56mm

[Monty]

Yeah, basically a "tactical" round that's designed to be used within 200m only from what I recall.

Basically they wanted the ballistics/weight of a 30 cal within this working range, but without the excessive power/range of a .308 and the noise/recoil that goes along with it.

[Pom]

Popular because it's got "blackout" in the name,

Tacticool

[Blackened]

This just about sums it up.

While 5.56mm NATO has enjoyed widespread acceptance in military circles, the fluid nature of the missions that some special operations groups encounter often demand a round that not only provides better performance than that available in the high energy standard velocity rounds but also one that can offer subsonic performance greater than the current standard 9mm submachine guns now in use.

In an effort to satisfy this need the 300 AAC Blackout[3] was created by Advanced Armament Corporation in cooperation with Remington Defense

In short, a subsonic round that hits a lot harder than a .223 (5.56mm NATO).

[Lorgar]

Popular because it's got "blackout" in the name,

You say that jokingly, and yet...

[Westy]

Seems to be a lot of negitive vibes toward the 300 Blackout here?????

[Pom]

Seems to be a lot of negitive vibes toward the 300 Blackout here?????

Nah, I'm just mucking around

[Lorgar]

Seems to be a lot of negitive vibes toward the 300 Blackout here?????

Not really, I just have trouble finding a place for a low recoil, sub 200m, automatic 30 cal cartridge in my day to day

Just kidding.

I was more just joking that if it was called 300 Feather, or 300 Lightfoot or something like that it wouldn't have such a following.

It's a fine cartridge I'm sure.

[pmomd]

I was more just joking that if it was called 300 Feather, or 300 Lightfoot or something like that it wouldn't have such a following.

The 300 AAC Limpwrist

[grainweight]

The 300 AAC Limpwrist

Uh, yeah... I can see people being less enthusiastic about that

[banoob]

The 300 AAC Limpwrist

Sounds tough

[buster]

Seems to be a lot of negitive vibes toward the 300 Blackout here?

Not really, I just have trouble finding a place for a low recoil, sub 200m, automatic 30 cal cartridge in my day to day

Haven't raided any enemy strongholds lately?

[Monty]

Haven't raided any enemy strongholds lately?

There was that one night I needed milk and the store was closed, but other than that...

[fuggle]

There was that one night I needed milk and the store was closed, but other than that...

Don't you hate it when buying milk turns into a shoot out

[Warrigul]

There was that one night I needed milk and the store was closed, but other than that...

Don't you hate it when buying milk turns into a shoot out

You probably need to review your dispute resolution strategies.

[agentzero]

You probably need to review your dispute resolution strategies.

So you're saying a bottle of milk isn't worth a firefight then?

[Warrigul]

So you're saying a bottle of milk isn't worth a firefight then?

Are we talking about Betta or Tasmaid?

[beepar]

Are we talking about Betta or Tasmaid?

Has to be full cream.

Low-fat milk not worth the ammo

[Warrigul]

Are we talking about Betta or Tasmaid?

Has to be full cream.

Low-fat milk not worth the ammo

I have to admit I do get a bit agro when someone puts low fat in my coffee- "are you sayin I am in NEED of low fat products because of my stature?" always gets them backpedalling, especially when I worked in community services for a while alongside some very politically correct type people(I had to leave I loved most of the clients but couldn't stand the company I was working for).

I am so sorry but I am so far off track, lets just say that there is a place for the .300 blackout, I have always wondered the same thing about the 7.62 x 39 no real reason to have it except simply "because", which is always enough reason for me...........................................

[Kater]

The forum needs a new 'acquiring milk' section for this

[shotsbybj]

I bought a 300 Blackout because i can use the subsonics on rabbits and foxes on a smaller property where less noise is better and the supersonics on a property where you have to use bigger than a 243, better than buying 2 guns i reckon. ive only used it at the range but im sure it will be affective past the 200m mark.

[Lorgar]

I bought a 300 Blackout because i can use the subsonics on rabbits and foxes on a smaller property where less noise is better and the supersonics on a property where you have to use bigger than a 243, better than buying 2 guns i reckon. ive only used it at the range but im sure it will be affective past the 200m mark.

Don't forget the 300 Blackout was developed as a military cartridge... When you read it was "designed to be effective up to 200m" that's going to have been judged as "effective" by whatever standards military/combat cartridges are judged by, not hunting.

Foxes aren't going to be wearing body armour and hiding behind a brick walls

[Chronos]

I bought a 300 Blackout because i can use the subsonics on rabbits and foxes on a smaller property where less noise is better and the supersonics on a property where you have to use bigger than a 243, better than buying 2 guns i reckon. ive only used it at the range but im sure it will be affective past the 200m mark.

Nothing that couldn't be done with a .22mag, .22 hornet or .17HMR IMHO

I agree with some here the cartridge makes no sense in an unmoderatored bolt gun on small game.

Chronos

[Bourt]

I guess for on the "property where you have to use bigger than a 243" he's probably talking about deer (or whatever, something bigger than foxes...)?

[Warrigul]

I guess for on the "property where you have to use bigger than a 243" he's probably talking about deer (or whatever, something bigger than foxes...)?

Fallow in TAS need to be taken with .243 as a minimum calibre, the .300 with a heavy pill is legal calibre wise and (I am told) has sufficient energy to be legal.

It is starting to get a following down here and lets face it most shots are taken at less than 150m, as far as a need for such a calibre take for example a .30/30 is there really a need for it still? Or the .310 cadet? Most things that a .222 can do are done better by a .223 and so on and so on.

It would be a bit boring if we were restricted to four or five calibres, which realistically is all that is strictly necessary to hunt anything in Australia.

[loopal]

I guess in time a few off the old calibres will fade out of use?

Less people shooting them or getting fed up with lack of supplies or whatever. If it drops enough the manufacturers will stop offering them and so on.

Like .303 British might drop off completely in X amount of years due to .308 maybe?

Same for some of the older lever cartridges?

[Herdsman]

Don't forget the 300 Blackout was developed as a military cartridge... When you read it was "designed to be effective up to 200m" that's going to have been judged as "effective" by whatever standards military/combat cartridges are judged by, not hunting.

For pests fine, at longer ranges I think it's stretching for game.

I don't have anything handy, but if I remember right energy at 200yards for is something like 450 ft lb compared to 1,700 for a .308.

Just saying...