in2anity wrote:Wait, 7.62x35(aka 300blk)? Or do you mean 7.62x39(Russian)?
Gun-nut wrote:That's the great thing about shooting, no matter what condition you have or what circumstances you're under, there's always a rifle out there to suit your needs.
Hugh wrote:in2anity wrote:Wait, 7.62x35(aka 300blk)? Or do you mean 7.62x39(Russian)?
Yes 7.62 x 39
in2anity wrote:Hugh wrote:in2anity wrote:Wait, 7.62x35(aka 300blk)? Or do you mean 7.62x39(Russian)?
Yes 7.62 x 39
Sorry, wasn't trying to be a smart arse. I'm actually praying or 300blk in Howa MA because the main problem with 7.62x39 is projectile availability. Gone are the days of being able to buy cheap, bulk milsurp ammo; it's way overpriced now. And you don't have a lot of options when it comes to .312" projectiles. Sure there's a few options, but nothing super cheap. 300blk on the other hand - it's designed for .308" projectiles, so obviously way more projectile options (therefore ultimately significantly cheaper to run).
I'm still waiting for someone to test a 180gr .303 through your rifle (and also the CZ527 and Ruger American Ranch 7.62x39) - if any of those group 303 projectiles as good as anything then it's a real possibility to run 303 cast lead (and thus is a good choice of rifle for me considering I'm such a poor arse ).
scotty87 wrote:in2anity wrote:Hugh wrote:in2anity wrote:Wait, 7.62x35(aka 300blk)? Or do you mean 7.62x39(Russian)?
Yes 7.62 x 39
Sorry, wasn't trying to be a smart arse. I'm actually praying or 300blk in Howa MA because the main problem with 7.62x39 is projectile availability. Gone are the days of being able to buy cheap, bulk milsurp ammo; it's way overpriced now. And you don't have a lot of options when it comes to .312" projectiles. Sure there's a few options, but nothing super cheap. 300blk on the other hand - it's designed for .308" projectiles, so obviously way more projectile options (therefore ultimately significantly cheaper to run).
I'm still waiting for someone to test a 180gr .303 through your rifle (and also the CZ527 and Ruger American Ranch 7.62x39) - if any of those group 303 projectiles as good as anything then it's a real possibility to run 303 cast lead (and thus is a good choice of rifle for me considering I'm such a poor arse ).
Have you considered the ruger American ranch in 300blk, pretty sure it's available in that calibre.
in2anity wrote:scotty87 wrote:in2anity wrote:Hugh wrote:in2anity wrote:Wait, 7.62x35(aka 300blk)? Or do you mean 7.62x39(Russian)?
Yes 7.62 x 39
Sorry, wasn't trying to be a smart arse. I'm actually praying or 300blk in Howa MA because the main problem with 7.62x39 is projectile availability. Gone are the days of being able to buy cheap, bulk milsurp ammo; it's way overpriced now. And you don't have a lot of options when it comes to .312" projectiles. Sure there's a few options, but nothing super cheap. 300blk on the other hand - it's designed for .308" projectiles, so obviously way more projectile options (therefore ultimately significantly cheaper to run).
I'm still waiting for someone to test a 180gr .303 through your rifle (and also the CZ527 and Ruger American Ranch 7.62x39) - if any of those group 303 projectiles as good as anything then it's a real possibility to run 303 cast lead (and thus is a good choice of rifle for me considering I'm such a poor arse ).
Have you considered the ruger American ranch in 300blk, pretty sure it's available in that calibre.
Yeah I've been tempted - but I'm just gonna get a short, bull-barrel 308 next and I'll just load it down. A lot more versatile that way. IMO if you roll your own, the 300blk is really for tac-tards; nothing you can't do with a tight twist 308 shooting reduced loads.
in2anity wrote:Hugh wrote:in2anity wrote:Wait, 7.62x35(aka 300blk)? Or do you mean 7.62x39(Russian)?
Yes 7.62 x 39
Sorry, wasn't trying to be a smart arse. I'm actually praying or 300blk in Howa MA because the main problem with 7.62x39 is projectile availability. Gone are the days of being able to buy cheap, bulk milsurp ammo; it's way overpriced now. And you don't have a lot of options when it comes to .312" projectiles. Sure there's a few options, but nothing super cheap. 300blk on the other hand - it's designed for .308" projectiles, so obviously way more projectile options (therefore ultimately significantly cheaper to run).
I'm still waiting for someone to test a 180gr .303 through your rifle (and also the CZ527 and Ruger American Ranch 7.62x39) - if any of those group 303 projectiles as good as anything then it's a real possibility to run 303 cast lead (and thus is a good choice of rifle for me considering I'm such a poor arse ).
Mr.Seacucumber wrote:The Howa 7.62x39 has a .311" barrel and uses those readily available projectiles. You can buy them bulk fairly easily in Australia.
in2anity wrote:Mr.Seacucumber wrote:The Howa 7.62x39 has a .311" barrel and uses those readily available projectiles. You can buy them bulk fairly easily in Australia.
Yep but not as nearly as much choice as .308" - I can get 500 cast lead .308 165gn Round Nose Flat Point HRBCs for less than $100. Admittedly I can also get 180gn .31" Flat Points, but I'm not sure a 7.62x39 rifle will stabilise the long 303 projectile...
Mr.Seacucumber wrote:And you can get 500 of these for $120
https://www.thebarn.net.au/Products/001 ... Point+(250)/44833?ReturnURL=%2fcategories%2fProjectiles%2f41%3fCategory%3d41%26brand%3dAll%26keywords%3d%26sort%3dProductTitle+ASC%26pageno%3d1
Mr.Seacucumber wrote:7.62x39 excels at ranges out to 300m where 308 is much further then that, however 308 has more recoil and that's the reason the misses choose the mini action of a 308.
Mr.Seacucumber wrote:Also if you have the cash you can import bulk surplas ammo from the states for under 50 cents a round but you need to buy a few crates.
in2anity wrote:scotty87 wrote:in2anity wrote:Hugh wrote:in2anity wrote:Wait, 7.62x35(aka 300blk)? Or do you mean 7.62x39(Russian)?
Yes 7.62 x 39
Sorry, wasn't trying to be a smart arse. I'm actually praying or 300blk in Howa MA because the main problem with 7.62x39 is projectile availability. Gone are the days of being able to buy cheap, bulk milsurp ammo; it's way overpriced now. And you don't have a lot of options when it comes to .312" projectiles. Sure there's a few options, but nothing super cheap. 300blk on the other hand - it's designed for .308" projectiles, so obviously way more projectile options (therefore ultimately significantly cheaper to run).
I'm still waiting for someone to test a 180gr .303 through your rifle (and also the CZ527 and Ruger American Ranch 7.62x39) - if any of those group 303 projectiles as good as anything then it's a real possibility to run 303 cast lead (and thus is a good choice of rifle for me considering I'm such a poor arse ).
Have you considered the ruger American ranch in 300blk, pretty sure it's available in that calibre.
Yeah I've been tempted - but I'm just gonna get a short, bull-barrel 308 next and I'll just load it down. A lot more versatile that way. IMO if you roll your own, the 300blk is really for tac-tards; nothing you can't do with a tight twist 308 shooting reduced loads.
Mitch wrote:I am one of your so called "tac-tards".
The 300BLK does a great job for certain things. I didnt buy mine for the military background etc.
I can only think of one 308 with a 16" barrel from factory.
Can't think of any with as tight twist as required for heavy stuff
I love mine, there is nothin tac about it and i hate all the tactical crap people buy and use these days.
It is very similar to 30/30 usage but with better projectile choice from 90-230gn projectiles. It may not be what everyone likes but it has a place.
sungazer wrote:The Remington 700 with a 16.5 shooting a 180gr + at full speed would kick like a mule. But if close range combat was the plan no one is getting up after being hit. It would be a 1.5-2 moa gun i would think.
sungazer wrote:Just based on my Remington 700 SPS with the 24 inch Varmint barrel. It was about 1 -1.5 moa at best. The chambers are Factory read big and sloppy. The shorter barrel IMHO will limit the accuracy at longer ranges Ok out to about 300m probably.
in2anity wrote:Yeah I've been tempted - but I'm just gonna get a short, bull-barrel 308 next and I'll just load it down. A lot more versatile that way. IMO if you roll your own, the 300blk is really for tac-tards; nothing you can't do with a tight twist 308 shooting reduced loads.
bladeracer wrote:The 300BLK does have some advantages over reduced loads in .308, and that's the twist rate which lets you shoot up to 300gn bullets, maybe even heavier than that?
in2anity wrote:bladeracer wrote:The 300BLK does have some advantages over reduced loads in .308, and that's the twist rate which lets you shoot up to 300gn bullets, maybe even heavier than that?
Really? Do you reckon a 1:7 would handle a 300gn+ pill? That'd be sick if it could! Almost light 45/70 territory!
Hugh wrote:Ok everybody is missing point here,i needed not just lighter recoil but light recoil and the 7.62x 39 on chuck hawks recoil table was about 6lbs a lot less than the 30/30,also needed something that was legal on deer.I believe the 300 blk would also have done the job.
Hugh wrote:Ok everybody is missing point here,i needed not just lighter recoil but light recoil and the 7.62x 39 on chuck hawks recoil table was about 6lbs a lot less than the 30/30,also needed something that was legal on deer.I believe the 300 blk would also have done the job.
bladeracer wrote:Hugh wrote:Ok everybody is missing point here,i needed not just lighter recoil but light recoil and the 7.62x 39 on chuck hawks recoil table was about 6lbs a lot less than the 30/30,also needed something that was legal on deer.I believe the 300 blk would also have done the job.
Can you have a shoot with a .308 with a muzzle brake maybe?
For deer you're only likely to be taking one shot so a brake should be tolerable for that.
When you want to shoot smaller stuff load down accordingly.