QLD Community Safety Bill and KAP’s Castle Doctrine

[darklazor]

If you live in QLD and don’t know about this you probably should have read-
https://shootersunion.com.au/consultation-open-on-queensland-community-safety-bill-2024/

I also found out about KAP”s castle doctrine from the shooters union. I have attached a link to the petition. Ozzie did a video about it as-well, it’s long but worth a watch.

Petition
https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work-of-the-Assembly/Petitions/Petition-Details?id=4077

Ozzie’s video https://m.youtube.com/live/BFHAQWdLteg?si=8ga5WtAcWuXx6mcn

[Billo]

Buckleys

[darklazor]

Buckleys

You never know, It could slip through. there’s over 20 thousand signatures already on the petition.

[bigrich]

Buckleys

You never know, It could slip through. there’s over 20 thousand signatures already on the petition.

i wish it would . but 20,000 against the millions of suburban potatoe head voters that fall for the less guns is safer bullsh!t

the WA guvment are crowing about how mush safer their state is from the buyback , with all the guns "off the streets". FFS licensed shooters don't go for a stroll to the local shops with a rifle on their shoulder. the average member of the public does not realize that the majority of gun crime is committed by crims with unregistered firearms. they just hear one word, "GUNS"

[No1_49er]

For those who don't know, go here https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work- ... EPetitions to view the current e-petitions.
If you open one of them, there is the oportunity to sign it and also to be placed on the email list so that you will automatically receive notification of new e-petitions.
Some of them are no doubt noble causes without much chance of reaching the intended outcome but there are others which seem to have gained a lot of traction.

The Castle Law petition is getting close to 21,000 signatures.

[alexjones]

If you open up the Queensland Human Rights Act 2019 and read the preamble it states:

"In enacting this Act, the Parliament of Queensland recognises
1 The inherent dignity and worth of all human beings.
2 The equal and inalienable human rights of all human beings.
3 Human rights are essential in a democratic and inclusive
society that respects the rule of law."


Castle doctrine fits that perfectly. You enter someone's property without warrant it must be assumed you are there to cause that person harm and their basic human right is to defend themselves or their property.

Getting a castle doctrine is one thing but we would need to have the safe storage of firearm laws changed so we can stay strapped inside our homes or if I draw an extremely long bow concealed carry in public.

[bigrich]

If you open up the Queensland Human Rights Act 2019 and read the preamble it states:

"In enacting this Act, the Parliament of Queensland recognises
1 The inherent dignity and worth of all human beings.
2 The equal and inalienable human rights of all human beings.
3 Human rights are essential in a democratic and inclusive
society that respects the rule of law."


Castle doctrine fits that perfectly. You enter someone's property without warrant it must be assumed you are there to cause that person harm and their basic human right is to defend themselves or their property.

Getting a castle doctrine is one thing but we would need to have the safe storage of firearm laws changed so we can stay strapped inside our homes or if I draw an extremely long bow concealed carry in public.

hey mate , i support your point of veiw , but pollies by nature are slimy sods who distort the law to suit their own purposes .voter numbers or public embarrassment over bad moral decisions are the only real influence on changing their minds .
how often do you hear of someone winning a legal battle with the guvment or cops ? they have infinite legal resources and wait till the claimant runs out of money i knew a fella years ago who was pushing a trailbike down the side of the road and got run over by a cop car that lost control when involved in a pursuit . my friend was at no fault . after 20 years he got paid out $4500 . how's that for justice i've got a few more stories like that . sadly , that's reallity in our free democratic country

[darklazor]

Well that’s interesting, Similar legislation to the community Bill 2024. the Weapons and Other Legislation (Firearms Offences) Amendment Bill 2019" was written up but got defeated by the public consultation stage. That could explain why the they made the public consultation time period so sort.

[darklazor]

This is from the Shooters union -
“This is your last chance to register your objection to the "Community Safety" Legislation that the Queensland Government are trying to rush through.
Make no mistake this Bill WILL negatively affect the rights, liberties and lifestyle of EVERY Queensland resident. It must be stopped.
All the details are here:
https://shootersunion.com.au/consultation-open-on-queensland-community-safety-bill-2024

Community Consultation closes at 10am TODAY. Please register you're objection, request an extension, or submit your submission NOW.”

I guess we find out what happens very soon.

[bigrich]

Well that’s interesting, Similar legislation to the community Bill 2024. the Weapons and Other Legislation (Firearms Offences) Amendment Bill 2019" was written up but got defeated by the public consultation stage. That could explain why the they made the public consultation time period so sort.

yeah it's not surprising. slimy SOB's . we've got shooters union , of which i'm a member , but we need a really strong united advocate organization. shame the NSC imploded. of which i was also a member . the way i see it , organization's like these , with membership numbers has a bit more clout than individuals. by the sounds of things this proposed bill is at odds with civil liberties . i think challenged legally , certain parts of the bill could be ruled invalid .

[Oldbloke]

Well that’s interesting, Similar legislation to the community Bill 2024. the Weapons and Other Legislation (Firearms Offences) Amendment Bill 2019" was written up but got defeated by the public consultation stage. That could explain why the they made the public consultation time period so sort.

Sooo, that means they DGAF what the public thinks. Yet they are elected to represent us. Bunch of arsols.

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[bigrich]

for those interested in opposing this bill , grayham from shooters union has a Epetition going . i received a link in a email from SU . i'd put it up here , but i'm a tech chalenged individual now if computers had cams and carby's , or were steam powered i'd be right

when cambell newman brought out "hoon laws" in QLD years ago , it was car club numbers and advocate groups that made pollies and police ministers pull back a bit . they pushed the stereotype of bogan louts in the media . but when organized clubs of professional people , tradesmen , etc objected en masse , it made a difference . i myself went with the vice prez of a club to discuss the laws with elected members for my area .and i think the members were quite taken aback to have people front up to "enlighten " them . i think a united front against politically motivated firearms law changes needs a organized front . as individuals we are not taken seriously , so i would suggest joining shooters union or any other firearm advocate group . and support political party's at election time that support our views. i'm sure this is common sense to all on here, but i dunno . maybe my putting this on here might motivate a few to get membership numbers up with groups that can fight for us that has political clout . cheers

[darklazor]

for those interested in opposing this bill , grayham from shooters union has a Epetition going . i received a link in a email from SU . i'd put it up here , but i'm a tech chalenged individual now if computers had cams and carby's , or were steam powered i'd be right

when cambell newman brought out "hoon laws" in QLD years ago , it was car club numbers and advocate groups that made pollies and police ministers pull back a bit . they pushed the stereotype of bogan louts in the media . but when organized clubs of professional people , tradesmen , etc objected en masse , it made a difference . i myself went with the vice prez of a club to discuss the laws with elected members for my area .and i think the members were quite taken aback to have people front up to "enlighten " them . i think a united front against politically motivated firearms law changes needs a organized front . as individuals we are not taken seriously , so i would suggest joining shooters union or any other firearm advocate group . and support political party's at election time that support our views. i'm sure this is common sense to all on here, but i dunno . maybe my putting this on here might motivate a few to get membership numbers up with groups that can fight for us that has political clout . cheers

To right mate, I have found that link for you,https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work-of-the-Assembly/Petitions/Petition-Details?id=4085
I have found shooters union to be most proactive and active in regard's to pushing back against legislation. Plus there an approved hunting club.

[Oldbloke]

for those interested in opposing this bill , grayham from shooters union has a Epetition going . i received a link in a email from SU . i'd put it up here , but i'm a tech chalenged individual now if computers had cams and carby's , or were steam powered i'd be right

when cambell newman brought out "hoon laws" in QLD years ago , it was car club numbers and advocate groups that made pollies and police ministers pull back a bit . they pushed the stereotype of bogan louts in the media . but when organized clubs of professional people , tradesmen , etc objected en masse , it made a difference . i myself went with the vice prez of a club to discuss the laws with elected members for my area .and i think the members were quite taken aback to have people front up to "enlighten " them . i think a united front against politically motivated firearms law changes needs a organized front . as individuals we are not taken seriously , so i would suggest joining shooters union or any other firearm advocate group . and support political party's at election time that support our views. i'm sure this is common sense to all on here, but i dunno . maybe my putting this on here might motivate a few to get membership numbers up with groups that can fight for us that has political clout . cheers

Yes, they seem fairly active. Renewed my membership just two weeks ago.

As far as shooters getting organised, I've been waiting for that since hoddle Street.

[bigrich]

for those interested in opposing this bill , grayham from shooters union has a Epetition going . i received a link in a email from SU . i'd put it up here , but i'm a tech chalenged individual now if computers had cams and carby's , or were steam powered i'd be right

when cambell newman brought out "hoon laws" in QLD years ago , it was car club numbers and advocate groups that made pollies and police ministers pull back a bit . they pushed the stereotype of bogan louts in the media . but when organized clubs of professional people , tradesmen , etc objected en masse , it made a difference . i myself went with the vice prez of a club to discuss the laws with elected members for my area .and i think the members were quite taken aback to have people front up to "enlighten " them . i think a united front against politically motivated firearms law changes needs a organized front . as individuals we are not taken seriously , so i would suggest joining shooters union or any other firearm advocate group . and support political party's at election time that support our views. i'm sure this is common sense to all on here, but i dunno . maybe my putting this on here might motivate a few to get membership numbers up with groups that can fight for us that has political clout . cheers

Yes, they seem fairly active. Renewed my membership just two weeks ago.

As far as shooters getting organised, I've been waiting for that since hoddle Street.

unfortunately ozzies are fairly apathetic to taking action against bad government in general . i've had mates complain about guvment, but won't make the effort to vote . "my one vote won't matter" or "it's all rigged anyway"
. i'll give the yanks one thing, their very motivated and passionate about voting and their freedom

[bladeracer]

. i'll give the yanks one thing, their very motivated and passionate about voting and their freedom

Yep, even the dead ones vote five or six times each

[bigrich]

. i'll give the yanks one thing, their very motivated and passionate about voting and their freedom

Yep, even the dead ones vote five or six times each

huh?!?

[Oldbloke]

. i'll give the yanks one thing, their very motivated and passionate about voting and their freedom

Not correct. It's mostly media beat up.

Only about half of those entitled bother to register, fewer actually vote.

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[darklazor]

. i'll give the yanks one thing, their very motivated and passionate about voting and their freedom

Not correct. It's mostly media beat up.

One things for sure the true American patriot’s are passionate about their freedom, and what isn’t a media beat up these days.

[bigrich]

. i'll give the yanks one thing, their very motivated and passionate about voting and their freedom

Not correct. It's mostly media beat up.

One things for sure the true American patriot’s are passionate about their freedom, and what isn’t a media beat up these days.

+1

[Oldbloke]

The fact is, only about 45% of Americans bother to vote. I don't think that is "passionate".

[darklazor]

The fact is, only about 45% of Americans bother to vote. I don't think that is "passionate".

Whats not passionate about not voting. it’s one’s constitutional freedom In the U.S. no one is required by law to vote in any local, state, or presidential election. According to the U.S. Constitution, voting is a right. But it is not a compulsory.
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[Oldbloke]

. i'll give the yanks one thing, their very motivated and passionate about voting and their freedom

Not correct. It's mostly media beat up.

One things for sure the true American patriot’s are passionate about their freedom, and what isn’t a media beat up these days.

Ok, they are passionate about voting??

[Oldbloke]

The fact is, only about 45% of Americans bother to vote. I don't think that is "passionate".

Whats not passionate about not voting. it’s one’s constitutional freedom In the U.S. no one is required by law to vote in any local, state, or presidential election. According to the U.S. Constitution, voting is a right. But it is not a compulsory.
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But they are so passionate that 55% don't bother.

An interesting bit of logic.

[Oldbloke]

I do agree it should not be compulsory.

However, if they were "passionate " I figure at least 70% would get off their fat arses and vote on election day.

Don't make excuses. The majority DGAF. That's a fact.

[darklazor]

I do agree it should not be compulsory.

However, if they were "passionate " I figure at least 70% would get off their fat arses and vote on election day.

Don't make excuses. The majority DGAF. That's a fact.

The majority probably DGAF cause

“The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That's the only difference." - Ralph Nader, American political activist, author, lecturer and attorney.

[bigrich]

Fellas, you both have valid points. I’m glad that voting is compulsory in Australia. Can you imagine how rampant politicians would run if people didn’t bother to vote cause they didn’t have too . The Americans that do bother to vote are exercising their patriotic rights and values. Those that DGAF are just the typical self centred degenerate potato heads that seem to be multiplying in our modern internet and retail driven western society. JMHO …

[darklazor]

Fellas, you both have valid points. I’m glad that voting is compulsory in Australia. Can you imagine how rampant politicians would run if people didn’t bother to vote cause they didn’t have too . The Americans that do bother to vote are exercising their patriotic rights and values. Those that DGAF are just the typical self centred degenerate potato heads that seem to be multiplying in our modern internet and retail driven western society. JMHO …

Could you imagine how many Ozzie’s wouldn’t vote if they didn’t have to. yes, I see your point and oldbloke’s. There’s always going to be those that are self centred only my life matter’s kind of people out there. But what about my kids and there kids. I want them to be able grow up in a world where if they want to got for a fish or 4wd they can. Its sad what our country and society has come to.

I thought I would add this attachment as it was a real eye opener.

[bigrich]

Fellas, you both have valid points. I’m glad that voting is compulsory in Australia. Can you imagine how rampant politicians would run if people didn’t bother to vote cause they didn’t have too . The Americans that do bother to vote are exercising their patriotic rights and values. Those that DGAF are just the typical self centred degenerate potato heads that seem to be multiplying in our modern internet and retail driven western society. JMHO …

Could you imagine how many Ozzie’s wouldn’t vote if they didn’t have to. yes, I see your point and oldbloke’s. There’s always going to be those that are self centred only my life matter’s kind of people out there. But what about my kids and there kids. I want them to be able grow up in a world where if they want to got for a fish or 4wd they can. Its sad what our country and society has come to.

I thought I would add this attachment as it was a real eye opener.

yup , a lot of "educated" people would call that progress not liking where things are heading , but there's more people waking up to things . in my opinion voting has never been more important . the powers that be have finally realized the high immigration level is not good for our living standards and country. people who work and have kids are living out of their cars in some areas . the local hospital ER in my area is like going to a foreign country . hospitals , police , housing , is all under supported and under funded . it's a real crisis that our nations leaders have been dodging for years .a lot of people in the transport industry can't believe the incompetence and lack of common sense in certain groups of recent arrivals driving heavy vehicles. all in the name of expansion and $$$ . okay , rant over . leaving for work now

[Jorlcrin]

I thought I would add this attachment as it was a real eye opener.

That list isnt all that accurate, at least not in Australia.

Depending on circumstances, well over half that list have had Govt or Church(or both) regulation on them, and in some cases, well before 125 years ago.

- One example for 'Start a Business' - Pubs were licensed to operate from before the 1880's, in this part of the world
[so I expect earlier in earlier settled areas].
- Further to the Pubs thing - we have gone through periods where alcohol sales and consumption has been heavily regulated(more-so than today).
So NOT ALL businesses have been able to operate without permission/blessing of government and/or church.

- Permission to marry in the past often required your church's assent, and if you werent considered of sound mind and body(or the wrong skin colour), you might also need the Governments consent as well(2nd part was last used a LOT more recently than we are comfortable with..).

- I'd be surprised if there has ever been a time when a private citizen could own a cannon without permission, and I doubt machine-guns have ever been available for all, so not all weapons have ever been free for anyone to own.

- Rights to protest were being argued over in 1881 (shearers strike), and people were dying over pursuing those rights.

- Unmarried mothers had next to no rights about their own child(This has waxed and waned through the years).

- Pretty sure the influx of extremely dangerous cure-all medicines in the late 1800's, resulted in the start of regulation and control of medicines we see today.

- There is a road-sign somewhere here from 1906, forbidding motor vehicles on the main road designated for horses/coaches(Penalty 5 Pounds).

- Hunting wherever you liked hasnt been a god-given right in this area for well over 125 years.
[There are warning notices in local papers from 1896 that warned people travelling through properties, that they would be prosecuted if they failed to stick to the gazetted main roads.]

Yes; SOME of that list are now more regulated than they were 125 years ago.
And I'm the first to get cranky about the ever-increasing red-tape being placed upon agriculture in this country.
But it reminds me of someone saying "The Grass was Greener 125 years back"

But why did we end up with those regulations in the first place?
Because humans beings seem to have a compulsive need to exploit their fellow man.
Even in the past 25-odd years that I've been in private enterprise, I've lost count of seeing people trying to exploit others.
Even today, considering your fellow man before you act, is seen as weak and 'lacking the drive to succeed'.
Honestly; a great tune-up for the human race, would be a Dino-Killer asteroid visit..

Thats my thought; anyway..