ADI Propellant Update

[Jorlcrin]

Maybe this will help?
Extracted from the 2013/6th Edition manual.

No1_49er,,

Thanks for this, though I could have just scanned my 7th edition to get same.

But it still has me confused why ADI obviously have this info in electronic form, but dont have it on their website.
AND; their info SHOULD be more up-to-date than ours!

But thanks again for the PDF file.

[Zappa]

Trelley's in Bendigo had APS650 in 500g lots, if I remember rightly (2 weeks ago) it was just under $ 100 per 500g. They had, but had sold out, of 2Kg and I noted they had a container (largeish) behind the counter for a customer who had ordered earlier (possibly 4lb) of Alliant Red Dot.

So they do make the 500g !

[Billo]

2nd lot of Trailboss hit the shops on Friday, happy days

which shops
id like to get my hands on some

Any shop that still had customers on back order, I only put my name on the list a week ago and got the call Friday

What's your location

griffith nsw
ill see if i can order some or if you know of a close shop that has it ill check it out
even if its in syndey or bathurst ive got freinds and relos near by

So I picked up the last 1.5kg bottle they had left at Safari today, paid $350 for the bottle, they have no eta on the next shipment date so stay tuned I guess

[Oldbloke]

"So I picked up the last 1.5kg bottle they had left at Safari today, paid $350 for the bottle, they have no eta on the next shipment date so stay tuned I guess"

Geezz, they charge like wounded buffs.

[Oldbloke]

Just over a week ago. Out of stock now tho.

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[Billo]

Just over a week ago. Out of stock now tho.

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I mentioned the price I saw which was $210 and was told we paid more than that for it, I suspect old mate is at Oz gunmart is Gas lighting shooters as even 1kg of regular ADI is now $160kg

[tuknal]

Just over a week ago. Out of stock now tho.

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I mentioned the price I saw which was $210 and was told we paid more than that for it, I suspect old mate is at Oz gunmart is Gas lighting shooters as even 1kg of regular ADI is now $160kg

been ringing around and its all on order but no one knows when its coming
just rang horsley park ,,they had it and its gone 350 for 1.5kg
i asked why so much considering the cost of other adi powder and was told it was because of the CANT GET IT TAX !!
yeah i recon they are taking the piss ,but it just depends on how much you want it i suppose

[Oldbloke]

Mmmmm,,,iv been under the understanding that ADI sell all their powders at the same price per kg. Shop set final price. Transport will effect the price tho QLD being a long way from Mulwala

[Oldbloke]

Just over a week ago. Out of stock now tho.

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I mentioned the price I saw which was $210 and was told we paid more than that for it, I suspect old mate is at Oz gunmart is Gas lighting shooters as even 1kg of regular ADI is now $160kg

been ringing around and its all on order but no one knows when its coming
just rang horsley park ,,they had it and its gone 350 for 1.5kg
i asked why so much considering the cost of other adi powder and was told it was because of the CANT GET IT TAX !!
yeah i recon they are taking the piss ,but it just depends on how much you want it i suppose

Agree

[Billo]

Just over a week ago. Out of stock now tho.

IMG_20241217_232747.jpg

I mentioned the price I saw which was $210 and was told we paid more than that for it, I suspect old mate is at Oz gunmart is Gas lighting shooters as even 1kg of regular ADI is now $160kg

been ringing around and its all on order but no one knows when its coming
just rang horsley park ,,they had it and its gone 350 for 1.5kg
i asked why so much considering the cost of other adi powder and was told it was because of the CANT GET IT TAX !!
yeah i recon they are taking the piss ,but it just depends on how much you want it i suppose

Hey tuknal I sent you a message

[Lorgar]

What's with the bumper stickers

Who identifies so much with the brand of power they use that they feel the need to advertise it on their car, lol.

[Oldbloke]

Long time no see Lorgar.
For me it's a security issue. I would never have firearm related stickers on my cars.

[Lorgar]

Hey OB,

I'm still around. I don't spend much time online at all these days, but pop my head in occasionally.

Making the effort to get out more. Have a new 4x4 arriving in a few weeks to begin the whole fit out process again and plan a few long trips.

This topic caught my eye as I've been trying to track down some 2208 for what feels like eternity

[Larry]

I dont remember all the ADI powders being the same price. I am sure there were differences in price between say 2206H, 2208 and 2209 all being very similar in performance. Trailboss was never a 500g bottle always the same size as the 4kg bottle but only 1.5kg of powder no other options.

[Wapiti]

The Barn seems to have some of the powders people are after right now. Had the email yesterday, I think. All sorts, including 8208 and 2206H.
Ther fact that Cleavers is so far away from the manufacturer doesn't explain why they are cheaper than ANYONE on powder, either. Or primers right now, by a big margin.
Price gouging by shops on desperate reloader customers is the reason, this proves it.

[on_one_wheel]

Perhaps it's worth asking the lgs if they'll price match cleavers, no harm in trying.

[Oldbloke]

Seems to be $145 - $149 here
https://northernvicammosupplies.com.au/


$155 here
https://www.ozgunmart.com.au/?rf=kw&kw=Powder

The LGS sets the final price

Abt 1 yr ago I think I paid $135 1kg 2208

[Oldbloke]

$129 1kg @ cleaver is certainly cheap. Gotta live in the area tho

Cleaver will have a very high turnover

[tuknal]

The Barn seems to have some of the powders people are after right now. Had the email yesterday, I think. All sorts, including 8208 and 2206H.
Ther fact that Cleavers is so far away from the manufacturer doesn't explain why they are cheaper than ANYONE on powder, either. Or primers right now, by a big margin.
Price gouging by shops on desperate reloader customers is the reason, this proves it.

the barn and cleavers are defiantly the cheapest
i buy my projectiles from them (super roo) and even with shipping they're cheaper but powder and primers for anyone needing shipping its to expensive or cant be done

cheers billo msg sent

[Oldbloke]

One i looked at is asking $165 to $175 1kg
I don't think the customers will be breaking any speed limits getting there.

[Wapiti]

$129 1kg @ cleaver is certainly cheap. Gotta live in the area tho

Cleaver will have a very high turnover

Cleavers has a high turnover, despite being out of the Bne area for most people, because they bit the bullet earlier on and discounted the gear they sell to get people in, suffering in profits initially. As more customers came, this allowed them big buying power with suppliers to get stuff in cheaper and cheaper in larger quantities.
Then instead of selling gear at rec retail or copying the others prices, despite getting gear in cheaper, they sell cheaper wherever they can.
Jade is a smart businessman, doing only what smart business people do in a very tight, restrictive market.

The result is two-fold - wherever I travel looking at breeding stock or products, I pop into local shops to buy something and overwhelmingly I hear how much this smart commercialism causes hatred and jealousy from other businesses. Really counter-productive.
The second thing is, no sure how many people know this but customers come on multi-day trips to this business and buy whole ute loads of stuff for their farms and businesses because of this. We do the same.
The wives go into town shopping for wife stuff, and the boys go to Cleavers and have a countery afterwards. And we all benefit. Including the everyday local customers.

[bladeracer]

I dont remember all the ADI powders being the same price. I am sure there were differences in price between say 2206H, 2208 and 2209 all being very similar in performance. Trailboss was never a 500g bottle always the same size as the 4kg bottle but only 1.5kg of powder no other options.

I bought most of my ADI powders during 2015-2019, all from the same dealer. All the rifle powders (AR) were the same per-kilo price in 500g and 4kg bottles. All of the pistol/shotgun powders (AP/AS) were the same prices in 1kg bottles. I didn't buy their .50BMG powder as I didn't have any use for it so it's possible that could have been a different price (I didn't buy BM1 or BM2 either but I can't see any reason they would be different). I met a guy locally this week that has to travel to Mildura to shoot his BMG rifle, apparently it has restrictions similar to CatH in where he is allowed to use it.

Whether other dealers had different pricing I can't say. I did buy some more powders early in covid from my current dealer after my previous dealer closed his shop, I don't recall the prices but I don't recall them being horrendous. I have really only dealt with two dealers locally since I arrived in Vic.

[bladeracer]

Perhaps it's worth asking the lgs if they'll price match cleavers, no harm in trying.

Cleaver's prices was one of the reasons my previous dealer gave me for closing his shop down, he was fed up with everybody expecting him to sell for Cleaver's prices. When he found almost every customer wanted to haggle over pricing he decided it was time to get out. My suggestion, if you prefer somebody else's prices simply go visit them and do your shopping there instead of bothering your locals.

[bladeracer]

the barn and cleavers are defiantly the cheapest
i buy my projectiles from them (super roo) and even with shipping they're cheaper but powder and primers for anyone needing shipping its to expensive or cant be done

cheers billo msg sent

Just buy enough that you're still ahead after you pay for your fuel and go for the drive. I've been toying with a 3600km round trip as I would save so much that I'd be hundreds of dollars ahead on ammo prices. For about $330 in fuel I only need to buy two cases of ammo to be ahead, if I buy ten I'm way in front.

[bladeracer]

The second thing is, no sure how many people know this but customers come on multi-day trips to this business and buy whole ute loads of stuff for their farms and businesses because of this. We do the same.
The wives go into town shopping for wife stuff, and the boys go to Cleavers and have a countery afterwards. And we all benefit. Including the everyday local customers.

And all the shops we stop at en-route to buy fuel and food.

[No1_49er]

$129 1kg @ cleaver is certainly cheap. Gotta live in the area tho

Cleaver will have a very high turnover

Cleavers has a high turnover, despite being out of the Bne area for most people, because they bit the bullet earlier on and discounted the gear they sell to get people in, suffering in profits initially. As more customers came, this allowed them big buying power with suppliers to get stuff in cheaper and cheaper in larger quantities.
Then instead of selling gear at rec retail or copying the others prices, despite getting gear in cheaper, they sell cheaper wherever they can.
Jade is a smart businessman, doing only what smart business people do in a very tight, restrictive market.

The result is two-fold - wherever I travel looking at breeding stock or products, I pop into local shops to buy something and overwhelmingly I hear how much this smart commercialism causes hatred and jealousy from other businesses. Really counter-productive.
The second thing is, no sure how many people know this but customers come on multi-day trips to this business and buy whole ute loads of stuff for their farms and businesses because of this. We do the same.
The wives go into town shopping for wife stuff, and the boys go to Cleavers and have a countery afterwards. And we all benefit. Including the everyday local customers.

I believe that the founding moto of the Woolworth's (originally a north American empire) was "Pile it high, and sell it cheap".
A high turn-over, along with a smaller profit margin just might be a better business model than the one which many would describe as "price gouging?
Just sayin'.

[Oldbloke]

Seems to be $145 - $149 here
https://northernvicammosupplies.com.au/


$155 here
https://www.ozgunmart.com.au/?rf=kw&kw=Powder

The LGS sets the final price

Abt 1 yr ago I think I paid $135 1kg 2208

Nope $115 2 years ago.

[Wapiti]

$129 1kg @ cleaver is certainly cheap. Gotta live in the area tho

Cleaver will have a very high turnover

Cleavers has a high turnover, despite being out of the Bne area for most people, because they bit the bullet earlier on and discounted the gear they sell to get people in, suffering in profits initially. As more customers came, this allowed them big buying power with suppliers to get stuff in cheaper and cheaper in larger quantities.
Then instead of selling gear at rec retail or copying the others prices, despite getting gear in cheaper, they sell cheaper wherever they can.
Jade is a smart businessman, doing only what smart business people do in a very tight, restrictive market.

The result is two-fold - wherever I travel looking at breeding stock or products, I pop into local shops to buy something and overwhelmingly I hear how much this smart commercialism causes hatred and jealousy from other businesses. Really counter-productive.
The second thing is, no sure how many people know this but customers come on multi-day trips to this business and buy whole ute loads of stuff for their farms and businesses because of this. We do the same.
The wives go into town shopping for wife stuff, and the boys go to Cleavers and have a countery afterwards. And we all benefit. Including the everyday local customers.

I believe that the founding moto of the Woolworth's (originally a north American empire) was "Pile it high, and sell it cheap".
A high turn-over, along with a smaller profit margin just might be a better business model than the one which many would describe as "price gouging?
Just sayin'.

It worked for them. It works for those who know how to make people pull out their wallets.

When travelling the country I heard repeatedly about the "I'm closing down because I can't match Cleavers" excuses. Even if these businesses are 1000-2000km away, they still crap on about this. It's just an excuse for poor or amateur business decisions.

Saving $5-10/100 on primers, $40/bottle for powder, or $150 on a Howa rifle at Cleavers in Qld isn't really going to steal business in Vic for example, because when you add the DG costs, fuel or dealer transfers charged, it's only really applicable to people close enough or organised enough to take advantage of this Redcliffe business.
Blaming Cleavers for a shrinking market, deliberately driven by political intent and narcissistic police public servants is ridiculous. But it's easy for non achievers to blame others.

[Larry]

As a Vic customer I have purchased heaps of gun stuff from cleavers to save money even new guns. Also still went ahead with purchases from them after asking local shops to match prices. A few said they pay more than I was quoted and to buy it from them so I did.

[Wapiti]

Anything I can get in the mail, I order too. Paying $20 post is well worth it compared to fuel.
Time is also worth a lot of money, people forget that easily. I suppose it depends if you have spare time at all!

But I order stuff from firearms businesses all over the country by mail order, because one store can't stock everything.