How Would You Escape?

[MG5150]

Hello All

This might be in bad taste for some of you, so I apologise in advance.

The gunman Dezi Freeman who shot 3 police officers and evaded 7 other officers at the time has now gone a full week without being caught by the 450 other officers stationed in the area, along with the police dogs and the drones and other equipment at their disposal.

While we're still unsure of if Dezi is still alive and all the facts of what actually happened, it is interesting to speculate on how he got away.

Below is a map of where the shootout with police took place and the surrounding area. If you were Dezi what would be your escape plan, and what route would you take? Feel free to draw on the map provided and post your answers along with your explanation.

(if you want your own map just Google maps search 'Buckland Valley Bush Retreat' for the exact location)

[alexjones]

Haha. Did not expect a thread like this.

The bloke could be anywhere in the country.

[womble]

Was looking at the map last night.
Apparently he went west straight into mount buffalo national park, which is closed now.
Very steep terrain. I don’t even know how you’d scale it. So you’d assume he’d take valleys creeks which will inevitably lead to a property.
So hope he’s not holding someone hostage or worse.

[Jackaroo]

He didn't have a bad piece of paradise there.

[MG5150]

If I'm looking at the right place, the property he was on backs onto a state forest, and he'd have to clear a mountain and cross another property heading westward to get to the Mt Buffalo National Park.

It seems like it would be much easier to access the ridge and move south along the spine of the mountain range, or swing back around east to access another ridge with a more defined path. The ridges are more open but make for quicker movement while going right into the gully where the thick stuff is would make tracking with a helicopter or even thermal drone hard. Heading south into the Alpine National Park or neighbouring state forests not only seems quicker and easier, but much easier to hide in or access friends/preppers in those remote locations

He seems like the kind of guy that would have a cache of supplied or even transport hidden somewhere, maybe even a contingency plan for extraction in case of an event like this.

That's all assuming it's not some sort of government psyop/conspiracy to push for more gun control.

[womble]

He didn't have a bad piece of paradise there.

It is beautiful clean country. The freshest air. In every stream you can clearly see all the pebbles at the bottom. You can see the trout.

[bigrich]

he may well have a emergency hideout or bunker set up somewhere . they tried using a chopper with thermal and couldn't locate him . he holed up somewhere

[Wapiti]

Why, is it because "Victorias Finest" can't work it out for yourselves? That's obvious.

Now, after saying he'll be mopped up real fast, now they are asking him to present with a surrender plan...

The bloke's guilty of a terrible and unnecessary crime, and he will probably be caught or killed sometime or other, because that's pretty obvious and what the intention is. But for all the vilification and initial huffing and puffing about how a bloke like him, a second-class citizen and no match for the superior government representatives seeking to kill him, he continues to show them up.

[JohnV]

You have the wrong place mate . The bus he lived in is at the end of Rayner Track . Exact position . Lat. -36.702124° Long. 146.884236° using WGS 84 datum. Make a waypoint marker in GE at those coordinates and it will be right on the bus . Zoom in and you can see the bus . To escape you have to run and get out of a search area as far as you can and then evade tracking dogs that might under favourable conditions track you outside that search area . Stash a hang glider up on a high spot and hang glide down into the valley . That would leave any dog team at a dead end . If you are well outside the search area it's unlikely a search chopper would see you .

[womble]

We should send that map to the police.

[ColdStart]

Below is a map of where the shootout with police took place and the surrounding area. If you were Dezi what would be your escape plan, and what route would you take? Feel free to draw on the map provided and post your answers along with your explanation.

(if you want your own map just Google maps search 'Buckland Valley Bush Retreat' for the exact location)

You location is off by a fair bit, the shoot out happened here

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG4DfGUibMtEv6q9A

As I said on the other post, his wife and kids where at the shootout so, he clearly got help and/or access to a vehicle pretty quickly.

[ColdStart]

We should send that map to the police.

I think you have solved it, the police have been looking at the wrong map Can you let them know.

[ColdStart]

According to Michael Jones, aka the sore thumb guy, you run until you can't run, then walk until you can't walk and then crawl until you can't crawl. https://youtu.be/55Q9Wv4gDb8?si=v5dVopd76cOOusZr

[JohnV]

Below is a map of where the shootout with police took place and the surrounding area. If you were Dezi what would be your escape plan, and what route would you take? Feel free to draw on the map provided and post your answers along with your explanation.

(if you want your own map just Google maps search 'Buckland Valley Bush Retreat' for the exact location)

You location is off by a fair bit, the shoot out happened here

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG4DfGUibMtEv6q9A

As I said on the other post, his wife and kids where at the shootout so, he clearly got help and/or access to a vehicle pretty quickly.

That map is only roughly correct my map is exactly where his bus is .

[ColdStart]

Below is a map of where the shootout with police took place and the surrounding area. If you were Dezi what would be your escape plan, and what route would you take? Feel free to draw on the map provided and post your answers along with your explanation.

(if you want your own map just Google maps search 'Buckland Valley Bush Retreat' for the exact location)

You location is off by a fair bit, the shoot out happened here

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG4DfGUibMtEv6q9A

As I said on the other post, his wife and kids where at the shootout so, he clearly got help and/or access to a vehicle pretty quickly.

That map is only roughly correct my map is exactly where his bus is .

I didn't say it was where the bus was, I linked to the property.

[ColdStart]

What would be your escape plan, and what route would you take? Feel free to draw on the map provided and post your answers along with your explanation.

Up the river to Harris lane, gives the option to flee to the hills, get to Harris lane (great swimming hole there by the way) and get picked up and flee into the pine plantation, lots of roads to exit from but not many other vehicles.

[bladeracer]

What would be your escape plan, and what route would you take? Feel free to draw on the map provided and post your answers along with your explanation.

Up the river to Harris lane, gives the option to flee to the hills, get to Harris lane (great swimming hole there by the way) and get picked up and flee into the pine plantation, lots of roads to exit from but not many other vehicles.

To get picked up he would've had to phone, text or email somebody to meet him somewhere, which Police should've had the records for very quickly. He might've used radio perhaps.

[ColdStart]

What would be your escape plan, and what route would you take? Feel free to draw on the map provided and post your answers along with your explanation.

Up the river to Harris lane, gives the option to flee to the hills, get to Harris lane (great swimming hole there by the way) and get picked up and flee into the pine plantation, lots of roads to exit from but not many other vehicles.

To get picked up he would've had to phone, text or email somebody to meet him somewhere, which Police should've had the records for very quickly. He might've used radio perhaps.

or burner phones, I mean this guy has been at war with the police for a long time, so I am pretty sure he would have these or as you said a radio. I am sure the police are tracking down all calls made at the time in the area, but it takes time and doesn't tell them what was discussed.

Have you heard or seen Analyst's Notebook and iBase and how it works? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krNzroZGMvg


The wife and kids, got away and turned up later that night (I think it was that night) at a police station, one of the kids was 2 years old or under. So tells you they got access to vehicle or help.

[JohnV]

Below is a map of where the shootout with police took place and the surrounding area. If you were Dezi what would be your escape plan, and what route would you take? Feel free to draw on the map provided and post your answers along with your explanation.

(if you want your own map just Google maps search 'Buckland Valley Bush Retreat' for the exact location)

You location is off by a fair bit, the shoot out happened here

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG4DfGUibMtEv6q9A

As I said on the other post, his wife and kids where at the shootout so, he clearly got help and/or access to a vehicle pretty quickly.

That map is only roughly correct my map is exactly where his bus is .

I didn't say it was where the bus was, I linked to the property.

I didn't say you did . Just said that that map is only roughly correct . Which is right .

[ColdStart]

I didn't say you did . Just said that that map is only roughly correct . Which is right .

It's the exact property how can it it be roughly correct?

[MG5150]

You have the wrong place mate . The bus he lived in is at the end of Rayner Track . Exact position . Lat. -36.702124° Long. 146.884236° using WGS 84 datum. Make a waypoint marker in GE at those coordinates and it will be right on the bus . Zoom in and you can see the bus . To escape you have to run and get out of a search area as far as you can and then evade tracking dogs that might under favourable conditions track you outside that search area . Stash a hang glider up on a high spot and hang glide down into the valley . That would leave any dog team at a dead end . If you are well outside the search area it's unlikely a search chopper would see you .

I do indeed have hte wrong spot!

I beleive he had 3 days straight of rain to cover his scent which wasn't ideal at all for tracker dogs

[MG5150]

As I said on the other post, his wife and kids where at the shootout so, he clearly got help and/or access to a vehicle pretty quickly.

He probably drove out in a police car

[womble]

As I said on the other post, his wife and kids where at the shootout so, he clearly got help and/or access to a vehicle pretty quickly.

He probably drove out in a police car

I remember hearing that in an earlier report. That he stole a police car.
We only have the media to go by. And what gets released to them would be heavily controlled. But possibly that snippet got out before that control was asserted.
Entirely possible he has police firearms and radios. So probably took the car keys. Maybe drove straight past the other police waiting for backup.
All speculation, but what an embarrassing clusterfuck if true. Wont ever come to light of day.

Someone has to feed him and take care of him. He dose’nt have the resources to pay them.
So maybe his or her family might be obliged. Which narrows it down as most of them have disowned him.
Maybe he just ran home to mummy. Because your own mother won’t turn you in. Probably want him to turn himself in though.
I think i remember the parents being quick of the mark to voice their disapproval and sorrow for the police that were killed and injured.
This bloke is a professional scab. Hs got missus and kids including toddler. Dose’nt work to support himself and family. Hasn’t in 20 years. So I think he probably still relies on his parents when they need something and want it for free. Then parents get to see the toddler and he dose’nt get angry at them.

[bladeracer]

Someone has to feed him and take care of him. He dose’nt have the resources to pay them.

He has thousands of acres of bush there, he doesn't need anybody to feed him or care for him.

I find it very difficult to believe that anybody would be harbouring him. If he'd taken off without killing anybody then sure, somebody with similar leanings toward authority and government might be willing to hide him from the authorities. But after murdering two officers in cold blood - I just don't see it. He'd have to have mates that are hardened criminals or psychopaths for them to take such a risk.

[Wapiti]

Why would anyone let out their personal escape plans anyway?

It is enlightening to see comments on an individual where every piece of information is deliberately put out there to vilify them. Is it ever any different, and what makes some so superior that they know what's BS and what's even remotely true.
No surprises,

[alexjones]

Someone has to feed him and take care of him. He dose’nt have the resources to pay them.

He has thousands of acres of bush there, he doesn't need anybody to feed him or care for him.

I find it very difficult to believe that anybody would be harbouring him. If he'd taken off without killing anybody then sure, somebody with similar leanings toward authority and government might be willing to hide him from the authorities. But after murdering two officers in cold blood - I just don't see it. He'd have to have mates that are hardened criminals or psychopaths for them to take such a risk.

Difficult to believe people would harbour him?

Put yourself in his world and the world of the people he associates with. Think like them. They hate police and government yes?

In their reality, police who he hates rock up to his property so he defends himself and his family.

The people he associates with would share his reality and want to protect him.

It is rather simple to understand. Don't think like you think like them.

[alexjones]

I find it baffling how people can’t comprehend other peoples sense of reality. Comprehending is not condoning it is understanding.


Israel and Palestine is a prime example. Regardless of peoples personal belief on the matter, every time a drone kills a little kids parents that kid does not care if his father had a suicide vest on ETC. In his mind his family is dead so he wants revenge. So hate keeps begets hate.

[Sarco]

I reacon he is sitting up in NSW or SA or even by now in WA or even QLD, pissing himself laughing with the Fwit Vic coppers still looking for him in the Bush around Porepunkah. They simply aren't smart enough to realise that he was well planned and so much ahead of them

[wanneroo]

They should consult with the US Marshals as they have rural apprehension teams and once those boys get on the case, time is ticking.

I think there are a few possibilities:

1. He is no longer among the living and did himself in or expired from being out in the elements.
2. He has accomplices he is leaning on and using.
3. He has caches stashed somewhere, which is unlikely but possible.
4. Early on he managed to escape the area and is holed up somewhere else.

In order to sustain himself in the elements he's going to need calories and water and eventually, shelter. That has to come from somewhere.

If accomplices are involved the police need to map out his whole network and start leaning on it.

We had a guy back in 2014 who hid outside a Pennsylvania State Police barracks and at midnight ambushed and killed a state trooper who was in the parking lot. He did a runner and went and played hide and seek in the woods all summer. The police sealed off a rural area they believed him to be in. Finally after 2 months or so, they brought the US Marshals in. The Marshals looked at it and said there is no way he is doing all this running around in the woods without calories and he has to have a cache somewhere. Sure enough they found a well hidden cache in an abandoned building and staked it out and got em.

[womble]

I don’t buy all the romanticising that this bloke is some sort of bear grills rambo.
It’s not his character. He’s lazy and undisciplined. Relies on others to get by. Not the self sufficient type.
I don’t think he’s in the wilderness in this weather. Wouldn’t cope.
10 days out there without fire for warmth eating leaves and grubs. Jail cell would be preferable.
We have very nice prison accommodations here. You get McDonald’s and a PlayStation. Tennis courts, gym. Living the dream.
Although he is in Victoria so probably will get bail.
I think he’s either self unalived or probably staying with someone else. But theres also a lot of holiday accommodation around there. Homes, cabins, caravans. And it’s all vacant now.

Funerals for the two policemen are being held today. The wounded policeman is out of hospital and back at home

I like your fugitive Wannaroot. He thought like a squirrel. Became the squirrel. But alas, they found his acorns.