More than 100 guns seized in police raids on sovereign citiz

[womble]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/western-australia/more-than-100-guns-seized-in-police-raids-on-sovereign-citizens-20250930-p5mz2e.html

Pretty sure this is underway nationwide.
Tyranny incarnate.
I don't support the views of sovcits.
But who decides what defines a sovcit.
Does speaking against the government of the day make you an enemy of the state now.

[bigrich]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/western-australia/more-than-100-guns-seized-in-police-raids-on-sovereign-citizens-20250930-p5mz2e.html

Pretty sure this is underway nationwide.
Tyranny incarnate.
I don't support the views of sovcits.
But who decides what defines a sovcit.
Does speaking against the government of the day make you an enemy of the state now.

very worrying . speak against/criticize the government and have your firearms taken from you even though no crime has been committed . doesn't really support freedom of speech and thought in a supposedly democratic free country des it . could my firearms license be at risk for even typing this post ?

again, very worrying .

[womble]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/western-australia/more-than-100-guns-seized-in-police-raids-on-sovereign-citizens-20250930-p5mz2e.html

Pretty sure this is underway nationwide.
Tyranny incarnate.
I don't support the views of sovcits.
But who decides what defines a sovcit.
Does speaking against the government of the day make you an enemy of the state now.

very worrying . speak against/criticize the government and have your firearms taken from you even though no crime has been committed . doesn't really support freedom of speech and thought in a supposedly democratic free country des it . could my firearms license be at risk for even typing this post ?

again, very worrying .

Not at risk today.
But what about tomorrow
Or 5 years from now
Maybe something you said today puts you at risk in the future.
It is terrifying stuff.
We need a bill of rights above all else.

But the media controls the narrative and keeps you focused elsewhere. Whatever outrage they can entice you with.

And that includes social media on the whole.
You get shut down pretty quickly with any mention of the right to life or free speech.
From both sides.

[Billo]

Sadly, some of those identifying as Sovereign citizens who reject authority have brought this action upon themselves.

There is no right to a firearms licence and if youre either too stupid or mentally deficient then I have no issue here

[bigrich]

Sadly, some of those identifying as Sovereign citizens who reject authority have brought this action upon themselves.

There is no right to a firearms licence and if youre either too stupid or mentally deficient then I have no issue here

umm yeah , where does it stop ? does anyone who has political objection's or post something "anti-guv'ment " become a target

[bigrich]

But the media controls the narrative and keeps you focused elsewhere. Whatever outrage they can entice you with.

gaza anyone ? global warming/net zero

[womble]

Sadly, some of those identifying as Sovereign citizens who reject authority have brought this action upon themselves.

There is no right to a firearms licence and if youre either too stupid or mentally deficient then I have no issue here

How do we know they identified as sovereign citizens.
Or were they identified as sovereign citizens.

Raids were conducted on these people. And yet they didn’t defend themselves with their guns. They surrendered their guns. No resistance. No arrests. No laws broken.

So were they actually a threat.

[bigrich]

Sadly, some of those identifying as Sovereign citizens who reject authority have brought this action upon themselves.

There is no right to a firearms licence and if youre either too stupid or mentally deficient then I have no issue here

How do we know they identified as sovereign citizens.
Or were they identified as sovereign citizens.

Raids were conducted on these people. And yet they didn’t defend themselves with their guns. They surrendered their guns. No resistance. No arrests. No laws broken.

So were they actually a threat.

at the very least it's probably reinforced their negative view of "big brother" by their firearms being taken

[Billo]

Sadly, some of those identifying as Sovereign citizens who reject authority have brought this action upon themselves.

There is no right to a firearms licence and if youre either too stupid or mentally deficient then I have no issue here

umm yeah , where does it stop ? does anyone who has political objection's or post something "anti-guv'ment " become a target

The Police regularly deny those associated with Bikies and other criminals on the ground of not being of good character, this is no different

[bigrich]

Sadly, some of those identifying as Sovereign citizens who reject authority have brought this action upon themselves.

There is no right to a firearms licence and if youre either too stupid or mentally deficient then I have no issue here

umm yeah , where does it stop ? does anyone who has political objection's or post something "anti-guv'ment " become a target

The Police regularly deny those associated with Bikies and other criminals on the ground of not being of good character, this is no different

it's a bit different bikies and sov/cit . bikies=criminality, sov/cit=political ideology . it does sound like a slippery slope that can be exploited by less than moral authorities however . some people in our society appear to be on a crusade to get rid of guns at any cost . bikies, yeah definitely criminals with criminal intentions . peaceable sov/cit are more politically motivated . automatically assuming sov/cit have harmful intentions is a attack on free thinking and speech , so long as their not breaking the law , should not necessitate losing firearm privileges IMHO . farmers in vic are fighting over the building of power lines through their properties and are being fined for even speaking out against the guv'ment over this issue . could they potentially lose their privileges for being "anti guv'ment " and non conformist

[ColdStart]

A firearms prohibition order can in Victoria be issued and your firearms seized for just about any reason, such as

You smile to much
You're to happy
You associate with people we don't like
You hold religious views we don't like.
You attended a protest

Most people don't understand this or the fact the Police don't need to tell you why its even been issued.

People think what I posted above is nonsense because they don't understand the law. They think we have the "right" to firearms, you don't its at the government grace and has been for a long time.

[bigrich]

People think what I posted above is nonsense because they don't understand the law. They think we have the "right" to firearms, you don't its at the government grace and has been for a long time.

exactly . and once the authorities start confiscating fireams for flimsy excuses , it's a slippery slope. "fit and proper person" is open to individual interpretation by authorities who don't necessarily give a damn as to you wanting to own firearms . they can technically revoke your firearms license just cause they don't like you

[Billo]

A firearms prohibition order can in Victoria be issued and your firearms seized for just about any reason, such as

You smile to much
You're to happy
You associate with people we don't like
You hold religious views we don't like.
You attended a protest

Most people don't understand this or the fact the Police don't need to tell you why its even been issued.

People think what I posted above is nonsense because they don't understand the law. They think we have the "right" to firearms, you don't its at the government grace and has been for a long time.

mate you have No credibility with this post, I;d suggest you pull your head in

[ColdStart]

A firearms prohibition order can in Victoria be issued and your firearms seized for just about any reason, such as

You smile to much
You're to happy
You associate with people we don't like
You hold religious views we don't like.
You attended a protest

Most people don't understand this or the fact the Police don't need to tell you why its even been issued.

People think what I posted above is nonsense because they don't understand the law. They think we have the "right" to firearms, you don't its at the government grace and has been for a long time.

mate you have No credibility with this post, I;d suggest you pull your head in

Seeing you imply you know so much, what grounds can a FPO be issued on? show us this credibility you claim to have and I don't , point out why I am wrong

.

[MG5150]

Were they confiscating legally owned and registered firearms from people who identify as SC?

Or were they doing raids of SC properties and finding illegally owned or unregistered firearms?

[ColdStart]

Were they confiscating legally owned and registered firearms from people who identify as SC?

Or were they doing raids of SC properties and finding illegally owned or unregistered firearms?

They were targeting people who identified as SC

Gun owners known for espousing sovereign-citizen ideology were targeted in the five-day operation last week across metropolitan and regional WA.

[Billo]

A firearms prohibition order can in Victoria be issued and your firearms seized for just about any reason, such as

You smile to much
You're to happy
You associate with people we don't like
You hold religious views we don't like.
You attended a protest

Most people don't understand this or the fact the Police don't need to tell you why its even been issued.

People think what I posted above is nonsense because they don't understand the law. They think we have the "right" to firearms, you don't its at the government grace and has been for a long time.

mate you have No credibility with this post, I;d suggest you pull your head in

I know no more than whats been reported, feel free to post up something thats supports your delusional rantings

Seeing you imply you know so much, what grounds can a FPO be issued on? show us this credibility you claim to have and I don't , point out why I am wrong

.

[ColdStart]

I know no more than whats been reported, feel free to post up something thats supports your delusional rantings

You can try and backtrack as much as you want you're the one that claimed

mate you have No credibility with this post, I;d suggest you pull your head in

Now your saying you know no nothing than been reported,

My post wasn't directly about what has been reported, My post was about the fact in Victoria a FPO can be issued for any behavior the police don't like. and yes its that broad.

It was a comment on the broad powers that police often have.

So what are you going on about? you claimed I had no credibility and to pull my head in and when asked why you post complete nonsense, are you drunk? .

[Billo]

I know no more than whats been reported, feel free to post up something thats supports your delusional rantings

You can try and backtrack as much as you want you're the one that claimed

mate you have No credibility with this post, I;d suggest you pull your head in

Now your saying you know no nothing than been reported,

My post wasn't directly about what has been reported, My post was about the fact in Victoria a FPO can be issued for any behavior the police don't like. and yes its that broad.

It was a comment on the broad powers that police often have.

So what are you going on about? you claimed I had no credibility and to pull my head in and when asked why you post complete nonsense, are you drunk? .

Sorry but you have ZERO creibilty, Feel free to keep on waffling, no one care what you have to say

[ColdStart]

Sorry but you have ZERO creibilty, Feel free to keep on waffling, no one care what you have to say

Clearly you do, as you quoted me numerous times.

Once again, you claim I have no creibilty* yet you offer no reason. Are you being deliberately obtuse

*credibility is the word I think you mean.

[Billo]

Sorry but you have ZERO creibilty, Feel free to keep on waffling, no one care what you have to say

Clearly you do, as you quoted me numerous times.

Once again, you claim I have no creibilty* yet you offer no reason. Are you being deliberately obtuse

*credibility is the word I think you mean.

You keep on high lighting your own Stupidity, just hand your licence back

[ColdStart]

Sorry but you have ZERO creibilty, Feel free to keep on waffling, no one care what you have to say

Clearly you do, as you quoted me numerous times.

Once again, you claim I have no creibilty* yet you offer no reason. Are you being deliberately obtuse

*credibility is the word I think you mean.

You keep on high lighting your own Stupidity, just hand your licence back

So you got nothing, not surprising really.

There is a word for when someone has nothing to back up up what they claim it called credibility, I sure you have heard of it

[Billo]

Sorry but you have ZERO creibilty, Feel free to keep on waffling, no one care what you have to say

Clearly you do, as you quoted me numerous times.

Once again, you claim I have no creibilty* yet you offer no reason. Are you being deliberately obtuse

*credibility is the word I think you mean.

You keep on high lighting your own Stupidity, just hand your licence back

So you got nothing, not surprising really.

There is a word for when someone has nothing to back up up what they claim it called credibility, I sure you have heard of it

Your mate Dezi has most likely necked himslef from shame, go away child

[womble]

But the media controls the narrative and keeps you focused elsewhere. Whatever outrage they can entice you with.

gaza anyone ? global warming/net zero

Those aren’t examples of manufactured outrage.
We know the Israeli forces target children because we have Australian doctors over there.
We know they are starving the population because our aid dose’nt get through.
Personally I don’t care. I support Israel because no Jew wants to chop of my head. Can’t really say the same for Islam.

We know the sea levels are rising because we’ve been measuring for decades. Tide gauges, argo floats, ice measurements for decades.
Indisputable evidence of a consistent rise at an accelerating rate.
We even have satellites taking measurements with lazers nowadays.

Manufactured outrage is claiming climate change is a hoax.
To protect the fossil fuel industry. This is what newscorp was created for. This is what sky news at night provides to protect these industries and create public scorn for any alternatives. Destroy competition to their industry.

[bigrich]

But the media controls the narrative and keeps you focused elsewhere. Whatever outrage they can entice you with.

gaza anyone ? global warming/net zero

Those aren’t examples of manufactured outrage.
We know the Israeli forces target children because we have Australian doctors over there.
We know they are starving the population because our aid dose’nt get through.
Personally I don’t care. I support Israel because no Jew wants to chop of my head. Can’t really say the same for Islam.

We know the sea levels are rising because we’ve been measuring for decades. Tide gauges, argo floats, ice measurements for decades.
Indisputable evidence of a consistent rise at an accelerating rate.
We even have satellites taking measurements with lazers nowadays.

Manufactured outrage is claiming climate change is a hoax.
To protect the fossil fuel industry. This is what newscorp was created for. This is what sky news at night provides to protect these industries and create public scorn for any alternatives. Destroy competition to their industry.

those issues , whilst tragic , are still a distraction from the p!ss poor state of our country and the unresolved issues and poor decisions and leadership in this country . sorry , but i rate the lack of housing, high cost of living and the deindustrialisation of our country in the cause of net zero as more important . the arabs and isralies have always been at war , and always will be as long as israel exists . the current situation wouldn't exist if the hamas attack in october did't happen. they're both to blame . and a lot of people devote their time and energy to protesting about the current situation . as if the australian government would have any leverage on the isralie guv'ment
australia produces less than 1% of the worlds pollution , yet people carry on like going net zero in this country would make a difference . meanwhile chinese industrialation continues to grow, as ours declines . importing everything into this country in ships is probably not really "green" either . they don't run on fairy dust . but it does mean that imported goods are more expensive . as a country we're getting poorer cause we don't make anything and export. never hear anyone getting upset about that . agriculture and mining are the few things that prop this country up , and immigration
so in my opinion the above issues are being used as a distraction . i saw the leader of the greens interviewed over the manchester attack , and she kept trying to turn the conversation into being about sanctions on israel . if that's not a morally bankrupt political/social diversion, i don't know what is . watch it on the abc . or sky's commentary

[bigrich]

billo and coldstart , your mud slinging is achieving nothing . please stick to intelligent debate . i disagree with womble on topics , but we put forward our views in a respectful manner . we do take the p!ss out of each other occasionally , no insult intended

[ColdStart]

Your mate Dezi has most likely necked himslef from shame, go away child

Now I understand, you're under a disillusion that I support Dezi or Sovereign citizen's or agree with their views. Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you.

I bet you also think Ned Kelly said "Such is life"

But to prove my point and shut you down.

Section 112E(b) of the Firearms Act 1996 states a the Chief Commissioner may make a firearm prohibition order for (b) because of the behaviour of the individual .

[ColdStart]

billo and coldstart , your mud slinging is achieving nothing . please stick to intelligent debate . i disagree with womble on topics , but we put forward our views in a respectful manner . we do take the p!ss out of each other occasionally , no insult intended

There has been no mud slinging or disrespect from me, I truly believed Billo was drunk posting, but after his last post he is clearly arguing with his own delusional fantasy on what he thinks I believe without even bothering to ask or read what I have said.

Its hard to argue with a delusional fantasy in his head.

[bigrich]

billo and coldstart , your mud slinging is achieving nothing . please stick to intelligent debate . i disagree with womble on topics , but we put forward our views in a respectful manner . we do take the p!ss out of each other occasionally , no insult intended

There has been no mud slinging or disrespect from me, I truly believed Billo was drunk posting, but after his last post he is clearly arguing with his own delusional fantasy on what he thinks I believe without even bothering to ask or read what I have said.

Its hard to argue with a delusional fantasy in his head.

yeah , i take your point, but i didn't want to single billo out as it take two to tango
i've seen topics on this forum turn into non sensical abuse and i'm calling it out. some members have left this forum over persistently rude behaviour . if a member is abusive, be the better man . ignore it ,or put that member on your "foe" list and you won't see their posts . this forum can be a great source of views and information . engaging in online arguments that decent people wouldn't engage in the real world spoil it . i don't want to take sides in this sort of thing, but i will call it out . no offence intended to anyone

[womble]

What did Ned actually say though ?