Suppressors _ Queensland

[tuknal]

My mate straight across the border into NSW, cannot get consideration to get D category firearms for primary production use.
Primary Producers are, in reality, the first people that should get access, because their circumstances of need are constant, not part time vistors to these issues. Yet we know people in NSW that call themselves "pest shooters" that have had these firearms approved, but are basically part time shooters, who are never there like the farmer is, constantly living the problems. They come and go when it's convenient for their time schedules, while the farmer watches his profits get trashed and has to work all day then run around all night with less suited firearms.

This isn't a shot at the part timers, good for them. It's me having a go at the ridiculous ways the laws are interpreted and applied by people warming seats who have no idea about what goes on in real life. Oh, I've gone camping, or holiday in the regions sometimes, I know about what farmers need.

Just like suppressors, the fact that people on the land basically have to beg and basically put together personal PHD's to prove to have what's basically temporary access to certain firearms that are way in front of what seat warmers think when it comes to what they need for their businesses, decided by beaurocrats pushing city-perverted agendas is just pathetic.

absolutely i agree 100% ,,,,i personally know ppl that do this cos they can (not the youtube part tho)
start a youtube following (not that easy tho) make f all out of it in the start (but hey we,re hunting anyway) then you start to make a income off it(no matter how small then apply for a contract /bussiness cat lic) then you get thermal gear suppliers/firearms dealer up your arse for sales because your getting more popular and they want a piece of the action and wholar a D class/suppressor permit ,,alot harder than it sounds but thats how it works ,,good luck to them but its hardly a genuine reason (is by the rules tho)
but the blokes that can really make some good use out of these items day in day out are struggling to prove their genuine need because the seat warmers cant see their need
didnt edge of the outback say he makes not much out of the actual contract work he does on a Q/A on youtube bit he did,,it just gave him a way to have his toys
no offence to him or others at all is intended but it is what it is ,,promotion and sales

[Wapiti]

I've got no respect for people like that and can't watch them. Simple.
I also cannot understand why people think that anyone is perverted enough to watch videos of their narcissism, killing animals and showing this distasteful practice on Youtube. Yet, the views show that those people are out there, and each view goes to give them more income.
It's all about self-appraisal and self-indulgence by part-timers that are NEVER there when the s**t happens. Amateurs that, with the use of a Go-Pro, make out they are essential tools for the farmer. But, like you say, good luck to them, they are exploiting a system that has big holes in it for those pretenders.
But the people living the crop and stock raiding are not able to get the same gear, or haven't the slimy gift-of-the-gab to jump through the administrative hoops.

Yet then, you have the opposite side of the coin, blokes looking out of their loungeroom and kitchen windows over their crops at animals that just keep coming in and destroying what they are growing, and best they can do is fire one ear-splitting shot from a powerful bolt action rifle for the precision needed and that's it. All the rest bolt, only to come back half an hour later, and on and on it goes.
The poor bloke's working all day, then has to sit up all bloody night, one shot at a time.

And IF they can get a "Pro" out to help them, it costs them more than the pitiful profit their efforts give them from their work. And then there's the wait till the "Pro" can get out there, whilst the destruction goes on.
Then there aren't any guarantees either.

No, the bloke losing his hard work should be the first to be able to get the gear that better stacks the odds in his favour.

[tuknal]

mate i can only half agree with you on this one
yeah they make out like their on some big contract blah blah ,,just remember they make f all in any out of so called contract shooting ,,theyde have to be charging $100ph to any MAKE money and not many are willing to cough that up,,
then on the otherside ,,poor farmer,,sorry but i cant swallow that s**t at all ,,havent seen a broke one yet(only the silly ones) and as soon as they have a problem ,drought/ flood out come the handouts from the government,,i have a lot of farming friends and hear some of the things they get money for,, not all do but stories of ppl getting flood money and their places were never affected ,things like this,,i guess it just shows no matter what walk of life theres always the piss takers,, but this is another topic completely,,
but their are ways to control wildlife be it bait/traps/exclusion fencing all of which at times have grants/incentives for

[Wapiti]

So what are you saying?
We don't need suppressors because we can put up better fencing?
Maybe ask hunters who only come out when they have nothing else they have to do, help us instead?
That farmers don't have a regular disposable income but can tax-deduct business expenses so would be stupid not to?
That they are a business just like one in the city that employs people, buys/repairs/hires people/equipment that is a business expense that without the tax benefit, in this country would just not be able to operate?

Only very rarely, a farmer is able to find some grant for anything like fencing. I can tell you that it's NEVER more than 20% of the total cost of any project. And then it's capped to be way less than that. If you just make enough income to get by, how will you find the money for $20K/km of exclusion fencing? and your boundary alone is 50-150km let along interior paddocks?
Oh yeah, here's a grant for another water tank for your farmhouse, while it's not raining for months so you can't fill it.
Or that the farmer can tax-deduct a new vehicle when the last one shakes itself to bits on his roads that never get repairs by the council, tar and gutters out the front for everyone judging him though? Like the city folk that judge him jealously have?
No different from the 20yo tradie that's buying new gear and vehicles to run his trade business, or any other business in a city people take advantage of.
I could say I am continually amazed by the lack of awareness and the quickness to put down the people who give you places to hunt on. But I'm not. Being a member of a forum like this one is very enlightening.

How about, farmers are the ones copping the crap from feral animals, city based casual hunters aren't. How about we just campaign for ourselves and forget about you lot who think we are ripping off the system? No?
How about we all support one another and don't judge things we don't have the whole story on?

[tuknal]

really !!! dont need suppressors because we can put up better fences ,,where did i say that FFS ??
mate im all for suppressors for all lic firearm owners ,,

there is soooo much i could stick it to you with about the poor farmer thing but its just not worth it (i dont have an issue with any farmers its a job just like all others) but they do get alot of things that normal tradies/bussiness owners dont ,,deisel rebates/primary producer bennifits/ concessions etc
,correct me if im wrong but i thought i read somewhere you were originally from the city ??
youve got your opinion ive got mine so well have to agree to disagree ,,i just dont swallow the poor farmer copping crap from ferals argument,,
dont here them complaining when they muster 1 ,2, or even 3000 head of goats at $6per kg + at a 18/ 20kg average (not to mention when it was $9 +)
not bad money for nothing in anyone's books for a few days work
and some cockys do F all for that they get a contract musterer in to do it and get half the money for no expense
theres defiantly ups and downs tho

[Die Judicii]

mate i can only half agree with you on this one
yeah they make out like their on some big contract blah blah ,,just remember they make f all in any out of so called contract shooting ,,theyde have to be charging $100ph to any MAKE money and not many are willing to cough that up,,
then on the otherside ,,poor farmer,,sorry but i cant swallow that s**t at all ,,havent seen a broke one yet(only the silly ones) and as soon as they have a problem ,drought/ flood out come the handouts from the government,,i have a lot of farming friends and hear some of the things they get money for,, not all do but stories of ppl getting flood money and their places were never affected ,things like this,,i guess it just shows no matter what walk of life theres always the piss takers,, but this is another topic completely,,
but or

their are ways to control wildlife be it bait/traps/exclusion fencing all of which at times have grants/incentives f

Mate,,, Not always, by any means.
One of the property owners I shoot for on frequent occasions run a mixture of cattle, sheep, and goats.
Dogs are continually invading and killing livestock.
The owner spent considerable time, effort, and $$$ putting in a substantiated application, for help to get exclusion fencing where needed.
I added to that application with trail cam vids, and thermal vids of the dogs coming out of the state forest directly into their property.

All to no avail, they were knocked back with no real reasonings for the decision or any options offered.

Meanwhile the dogs keep coming,, and the slaughters continue.
For every dog I shoot, it seems two more take their place.

[Wapiti]

I get that when using the written media like here it's very hard to get your exact point across but I am just putting up an opinion from someone who puts up with this stuff daily, and for those who think I'm complaining, I wouldn't change it for anything.
Nothing is perfect, the human being is always trying to control what he can and eliminate waste and time because todays markets are not very friendly to anyone making or growing ANYTHING from nothing. Whether it's manufacturing from a raw product or growing something from the instant it either pops out from or falls to the ground.

It's saying things like, you're not complaining when the grazier gets to round up a heap of goats for NOTHING, what an uneducated statement for example. But again, an insight into the divide between city and country and those who want something and those expected to give it or be denigrated by those who know it all.
Every one of those cursed things is stripping trees and pasture that feed the stock animals and/or crops, spreading parasitic worms that transfer to other stock that requires precious time and $1000's to be treated constantly, living in conditions of finite food when the bloke is trying to manage seasonal feed.
If those "free goats" are rounded up and harvested to try and get the mongrel things off the place and go some way to turn a profit after the $7+/km stock truck and agents fees to sell, you MIGHT get back what value you have lost in feed and chemicals for better value stock, and what has turned upside down in your planning.
Because shooting the f**ken things is the wrong thing to do because it just feeds and attracts the ferals, completely wastes all the feed/energy they've stolen from your stock animals and costs a fortune. But don't let me ruin your learned opinion.

I could go on and on, but someone who thinks they know it all and is just waiting for the chance to put someone down to win a pitiful forum argument will never admit the other side's issues, because they don't suit the narrative or misguided rhetoric. Again, don't let me ruin your anti-farmer opinion.

[tuknal]

I get that when using the written media like here it's very hard to get your exact point across but I am just putting up an opinion from someone who puts up with this stuff daily, and for those who think I'm complaining, I wouldn't change it for anything.
Nothing is perfect, the human being is always trying to control what he can and eliminate waste and time because todays markets are not very friendly to anyone making or growing ANYTHING from nothing. Whether it's manufacturing from a raw product or growing something from the instant it either pops out from or falls to the ground.

It's saying things like, you're not complaining when the grazier gets to round up a heap of goats for NOTHING, what an uneducated statement for example. But again, an insight into the divide between city and country and those who want something and those expected to give it or be denigrated by those who know it all.
Every one of those cursed things is stripping trees and pasture that feed the stock animals and/or crops, spreading parasitic worms that transfer to other stock that requires precious time and $1000's to be treated constantly, living in conditions of finite food when the bloke is trying to manage seasonal feed.
If those "free goats" are rounded up and harvested to try and get the mongrel things off the place and go some way to turn a profit after the $7+/km stock truck and agents fees to sell, you MIGHT get back what value you have lost in feed and chemicals for better value stock, and what has turned upside down in your planning.
Because shooting the f**ken things is the wrong thing to do because it just feeds and attracts the ferals, completely wastes all the feed/energy they've stolen from your stock animals and costs a fortune. But don't let me ruin your learned opinion.

I could go on and on, but someone who thinks they know it all and is just waiting for the chance to put someone down to win a pitiful forum argument will never admit the other side's issues, because they don't suit the narrative or misguided rhetoric. Again, don't let me ruin your anti-farmer opinion.

just goes to show you know f all about the goat thing im talking about,, but cause you consider yourself a poor ol farmer your always going to talk this bulls**t,,
if goats are an issue do what you have to ??muster or shoot ,,dont give this ohh cant do that it attracts ferals sulk bulls**t
if it was pigs or deer you'd shoot them ??
dogs are a REAL issue the rest aren't that bad generally speaking

i shoot 2/3 night a week for a job ,so id say i might see a bit of what goes on

do the math on the figure i gave you on 2000 goats at $6 kg with a 18kg average (and like i said it was $9) $216000 the cartage isnt cheap but its still good money for a weeks work ,,theres ppl that have paid off properties from goats ,,take the good with the bad

a very good mate of mine does goat mustering for a living
and when you here numbers like $250/350000 worth of goats being turned over in 7 days dont tell me they arent something for nothing cause every farmer i know agrees ,, only when the price is up tho
ive got alot of good mates that are farmers i do understand their issues ,,but as it goes you only here the bad never the good ,,just human nature

and as far as the anti farmer opinion ,,the same could be said to you about anyone from a city( a place i think you come from) ,and the little stabs your having could be said straight back to you too ,im not having a dig at you personally with the things ive said ,but it does seem you wanna get on your high horse cos you think your a big farmer
im not in the city ,,im probably further away from any city than you but hey dont let that stop you ,cos after all what would i know

i dont know you and you dont know me so we both could be wrong about each other,, but im sorry nothing personal but i think your full of it to suit your own narrative ,,one minute your on about a mate getting done for incorrect storage and how you farmer should have a caviate cos everythings on our back door threatening our livelyhood/next your saying how shooting is cruel/disgusting (shooting roos or someone on youtube but yet your here ) then your smacking roos over the head with your brand name alloy baseball bat and branding cattle even tho its not really required any more,, i thought NLIS got rid of the need

at the end of the day all this has come about cos i could only half agree with you on a subject ,, put you big boy trousers on and get over it
cos this has nothing to do with the subject (suppressors remember)
if you really want to have a discussion about this flick me a msg and ill give you my number and well talk about it

[tuknal]

mate i can only half agree with you on this one
yeah they make out like their on some big contract blah blah ,,just remember they make f all in any out of so called contract shooting ,,theyde have to be charging $100ph to any MAKE money and not many are willing to cough that up,,
then on the otherside ,,poor farmer,,sorry but i cant swallow that s**t at all ,,havent seen a broke one yet(only the silly ones) and as soon as they have a problem ,drought/ flood out come the handouts from the government,,i have a lot of farming friends and hear some of the things they get money for,, not all do but stories of ppl getting flood money and their places were never affected ,things like this,,i guess it just shows no matter what walk of life theres always the piss takers,, but this is another topic completely,,
but or

their are ways to control wildlife be it bait/traps/exclusion fencing all of which at times have grants/incentives f

Mate,,, Not always, by any means.
One of the property owners I shoot for on frequent occasions run a mixture of cattle, sheep, and goats.
Dogs are continually invading and killing livestock.
The owner spent considerable time, effort, and $$$ putting in a substantiated application, for help to get exclusion fencing where needed.
I added to that application with trail cam vids, and thermal vids of the dogs coming out of the state forest directly into their property.

All to no avail, they were knocked back with no real reasonings for the decision or any options offered.

Meanwhile the dogs keep coming,, and the slaughters continue.
For every dog I shoot, it seems two more take their place.

I NEVER said ALWAYS,, at times is far from that ,which is what was said

i get the problems with dogs a mate works on the LLS as a trapper and ive seen what they can do
they are a REAL problem in areas no doubt ,not so much out here but i have shot 1 and i know of a few others ,not many tho
ive been told of hot wires put in around the bylong valley area and it has made a big help (shooting alone will never stop any problem feral)
still costs i know but were not talking new fences

[Wapiti]

Pointless DJ, mate, some people know it all from just looking over the fence and bias is a great substitute when you need someone to blame for having a go...
You know, the fences farmers get for free instead of the $20K/km like we've all had to pay despite all the other things we're trying.
I bet the fence around his 20 perch house block hasn't cost $300k so far with 30km to go.

But back to suppressors... who's jumping on board to lobby their conservative politicians?

[Die Judicii]

i get the problems with dogs a mate works on the LLS as a trapper and ive seen what they can do
they are a REAL problem in areas no doubt ,not so much out here but i have shot 1 and i know of a few others ,not many tho
ive been told of hot wires put in around the bylong valley area and it has made a big help (shooting alone will never stop any problem feral)
still costs i know but were not talking new fences

So, You've shot a dog, ??

Well your off to a good start.

Hot wires don't solve all problems either.
The dog in the trail cam pic was taken and sent to the landowners phone.
Knowing the camera was only a short distance away, he jumped into his ute and got there just in time to see it half way up the 8' exclusion fence that had
hot wires on both sides, and shot it.
Not only had it learned to climb,,, but somehow it also evaded the hot wire half way up.

That dog had been getting in and out,, at will for weeks,, and killing heaps of goats within the exclusion zone.

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[tuknal]

dont know if your having a stab or not but i dont hunt dogs,,,,,it was only a very rare circumstance that gave the opportunity,
,i appreciate the time and effort that goes into hunting them and if thats your thing then go for it cos they sure a s**t arent stupid
im sure the places your talking about have a real issue ,and a good dog is a dead one
yeah they are smart and im aware they can defiantly navigate a hot wire as they can an exclusion fence and so can roos/pigs but they dig under the apron not climb it,and also dont kill for the fun of it so are a different issue for ppl with stock
i know fencing and hot wires are no solution but they defiantly make a big difference thats the reason the dog fence was put in NSW/QLD
good luck with them i hope get as many as possible

[Harrison S]

@tuknal "and branding cattle even tho its not really required any more,, i thought NLIS got rid of the need"

Sorry... dunno how to respond directly to your post... but it depends where u are... I believe NSW got rid of the law that enforces branding but QLD has not... the branding law in QLD was shelved during covid cos "it takes 2 to brand and you can't be within 2m of each other" or whatever their reason was... I was hoping the law would stay suspended, but they have just bought it back again much to my disgust... if your selling cattle at the saleyards/open market, they must be branded... that's for QLD... not up to speed with the other states...

[Harrison S]

i get the problems with dogs a mate works on the LLS as a trapper and ive seen what they can do
they are a REAL problem in areas no doubt ,not so much out here but i have shot 1 and i know of a few others ,not many tho
ive been told of hot wires put in around the bylong valley area and it has made a big help (shooting alone will never stop any problem feral)
still costs i know but were not talking new fences

So, You've shot a dog, ??

Well your off to a good start.

Hot wires don't solve all problems either.
The dog in the trail cam pic was taken and sent to the landowners phone.
Knowing the camera was only a short distance away, he jumped into his ute and got there just in time to see it half way up the 8' exclusion fence that had
hot wires on both sides, and shot it.
Not only had it learned to climb,,, but somehow it also evaded the hot wire half way up.

That dog had been getting in and out,, at will for weeks,, and killing heaps of goats within the exclusion zone.

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I remember hearing about that one... absolute prick of a dog... Caught it halfway up the fence... worst thing about that one is it was climbing the fence and killing just for the sheer heck of it... wasnt even eating it's kills if I remember correctly

[Harrison S]

@tuknal...

Not having a go at you mate... but farming is a hard gig... im in the unique position of being able to see all sides of the story... I've done plenty of farming (only livestock) and I've also worked as a tradie... both is hard yakka... but there are huge differences... no1 being that there is no other industry other than agriculture (that I've ever seen) that has such massive price fluctuations within a 12 month period... no2 other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) that is so easily impacted by the weather... no3 other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) where its not a job, its your life, where one needs to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to survive & get ahead, there is no other industry where one can do so much work and get so luttle return if s**t hits the fan... and no4, other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) that is literally the backbone of the economy in every nation, yet gets so little recognition and support... and no5 there is no other industry other than agriculture that has had so minimal changes in product pricing over the past 50 years (referring to grain and such products)... thats the underlying reason for most of the government financial support... the Government wants to keep the price of food at a sustainable level...

True, agriculture gets a lots of government help in a lot of ways... but at the same time, the government also hamstrings the industry and makes it difficult every step of the way... farming is one of the hardest jobs there is... theres no doubt about it... its a constantly varying job with a million variables within every scenario...

Like I said... not having a crack... just saying... tradies work 12 hrs then go home... farmers work Dawn till dusk and then are still on call if anything goes wrong in between.... most tradies get weekends off... Im yet to meet a farmer that does.... like I said... I farm my own beef (I dont make my living off farming, coz that would be too ruddy difficult in this day and age)... ive worked in construction all my working life... ive worked in the city and country... was born in the country, raised in the country... now work in the city and spend any time i get in the country... all jobs are hard but there are a select few that are notoriously difficult, and farming is one of them...

[Harrison S]

All that being said... as a bloke who raises livestock and still has to deal with feral pigs and dogs... how good would a suppressor be.... one can only imagine...

Night time shots wouldn't piss off everyone within earshot, and you wouldn't feel so bad doing what needs to be done... the fact that they aren't legal in QLD doesn't make a shred of sense... they could at the very least make them an item that can be accessed with permits for hunting, rural pest control, and farming... and at best they could just make them legal... would definitely help our ears... I rekon someone just needs to get hold of the Jokers that make these laws, take them to the range, and spell it out for them... give them a comparison show and point out that suppressors in reality are not as quiet as Hollywood makes out...

[Wapiti]

Shooters Union with Agforce, SIFA and with NIOA at their Bris facility I believe, has done that already, they organised a few times for that Mark Ryan who was the then Labor Police Minister, members from Weapons Licensing and other stakeholders to see for themselves and dispell the myths...

But after organising everything and a lot of trouble, Weapons Licensing at the last minute cancelled their approval for the display and practical examples at the last minute when everyone had flown in, travelled from afar and booked into airport hotels etc.
We believe they did this deliberately, because they gave no reason and it was at the very last minute when everyone had travelled and set it all up. Some say the Labor slimbag Ryan had a hand in this, we couldn't confirm but WLB certainly had the Qld Labor Govt support to cancel.

Now, everyone is trying to organise the new LNP Govt and new minister to get things going again and try and get a bit of trust back.
Hence me saying here AGAIN - if you can take the trouble to type here, do the same and send Dan Purdie - new Qld Police Minister...
Open this webpage and fill out the message for him about supporting the use in Qld of suppressors for yourselves and farmers.

https://cabinet.qld.gov.au/ministers-po ... urdie.aspx

EDIT: this is the 11th and latest in a line of suppressor videos from FVR375 - The designated Shooters Union representative for professional shooters and primary producer representation. You are welcome to start at the very beginning to see all the crap that SU, Agforce and the Firearms Dealers Assn have been going through for you. So MAKE SURE you give SU some support membership-wise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5txalgO_Tt8&t=1312s
NOTHING changes if you do NOTHING but voice your anger to the converted. The politicians are VERY sensitive at the moment where your next votes will go.

[Bugman]

There apparently had been some push here in NSW but since Bondi, there will be sweet bugger all going forward with it for some time, I suspect. Hopefully QLD will be able to show the way. Yes, there are provisions in NSW for the use of suppressors but it is oh so restricted in the permit application and very difficult to obtain. You would probably have more chance of winning lotto.
We can be so backward in this state.

[tuknal]

@tuknal...

Not having a go at you mate... but farming is a hard gig... im in the unique position of being able to see all sides of the story... I've done plenty of farming (only livestock) and I've also worked as a tradie... both is hard yakka... but there are huge differences... no1 being that there is no other industry other than agriculture (that I've ever seen) that has such massive price fluctuations within a 12 month period... no2 other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) that is so easily impacted by the weather... no3 other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) where its not a job, its your life, where one needs to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to survive & get ahead, there is no other industry where one can do so much work and get so luttle return if s**t hits the fan... and no4, other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) that is literally the backbone of the economy in every nation, yet gets so little recognition and support... and no5 there is no other industry other than agriculture that has had so minimal changes in product pricing over the past 50 years (referring to grain and such products)... thats the underlying reason for most of the government financial support... the Government wants to keep the price of food at a sustainable level...

True, agriculture gets a lots of government help in a lot of ways... but at the same time, the government also hamstrings the industry and makes it difficult every step of the way... farming is one of the hardest jobs there is... theres no doubt about it... its a constantly varying job with a million variables within every scenario...

Like I said... not having a crack... just saying... tradies work 12 hrs then go home... farmers work Dawn till dusk and then are still on call if anything goes wrong in between.... most tradies get weekends off... Im yet to meet a farmer that does.... like I said... I farm my own beef (I dont make my living off farming, coz that would be too ruddy difficult in this day and age)... ive worked in construction all my working life... ive worked in the city and country... was born in the country, raised in the country... now work in the city and spend any time i get in the country... all jobs are hard but there are a select few that are notoriously difficult, and farming is one of them...

all good mate i agree with abit of what your saying
but are you saying grain/sheep and cattle prices have only had small change in 50yrs?, yeah commodities like ,wheat barley etc do fluctuate but its the name of the game
if your a plumber and you get s**t on your hand do you whinge about it ?? you chose the job you know what your in for
a big farming fella from here said it perfectly when some non farmer asked about the drought ,,he said if your in this game and you havent prepared for bad times then your an idiot cos there's one guarantee they will come
most of the bigger farmers around here are pretty good they dont carry on when thing are getting tight ,theyve been there before
and as far as dawn till dusk 24/7 yeah at times ,but not all the time and it depends on scale big timers with feedlots/machinery going day night yeah
but the smaller fellas its hardly the case ,,whos ringing them telling them about any problem on there place if no ones there out in the paddocks ??NO ONE theyll find out when their out there or the farm hands find it ,,
and if they were chained to the place they would never have time to go fishing down the coast to the holiday home or use their big flash ski boats and other toys or trips up north fishing ,,no to mention being in the pub ,,
im sure this can be an issue for some but not all


big scale( really any size tho ) farming ie cropping is a gamble but when it comes off it pays big and around here theyve had about 4 good years on the trott
,i dont see any cocky complianing then ,,oh yeah down graded wheat /barley ,,but they got twice the yield which made up for it
but ive seen some lately (yes a rare few ) come into town fill the fuel carts some with 3 and bleed the town out
some dont give a f*** about anyone else ,we have to wait
i bet most on here would love an interest free loan or deferred payment loan or a diesel rebate or some of the benifits from primary production

had one not long ago tell me he shouldve been a tradie that where the moneys at we're then new millionaires
,,i told him ill swap bank accounts and jobs with you tomorrow
he said i have to take the debt too ,,i said fine ,doesn't seem like your having issues servicing it and you own alot more than me
he didnt go much on that

i know it sounds like im having a dig at the cockys ,i guess in some ways im having a stab ,which i do to my farming mates ,no nastiness it called hanging s**t on your mates ,, you know the old ,,here we go poor farmer ,they just laugh dont worry i get it back from them too,, but most know its a good life and they wouldnt want it any other way


but this all started from a flog that makes out hes big farmer that didnt like the fact i said there were other ways to control ferals than just shooting and i dared use the words government incentives/grants in a reply

[tuknal]

@tuknal "and branding cattle even tho its not really required any more,, i thought NLIS got rid of the need"

Sorry... dunno how to respond directly to your post... but it depends where u are... I believe NSW got rid of the law that enforces branding but QLD has not... the branding law in QLD was shelved during covid cos "it takes 2 to brand and you can't be within 2m of each other" or whatever their reason was... I was hoping the law would stay suspended, but they have just bought it back again much to my disgust... if your selling cattle at the saleyards/open market, they must be branded... that's for QLD... not up to speed with the other states...

i stand corrected ,thanks for the info i am in NSW
apologies to wapati on that one ,, but everything eles stands

[Die Judicii]

i get the problems with dogs a mate works on the LLS as a trapper and ive seen what they can do
they are a REAL problem in areas no doubt ,not so much out here but i have shot 1 and i know of a few others ,not many tho
ive been told of hot wires put in around the bylong valley area and it has made a big help (shooting alone will never stop any problem feral)
still costs i know but were not talking new fences

So, You've shot a dog, ??

Well your off to a good start.

Hot wires don't solve all problems either.
The dog in the trail cam pic was taken and sent to the landowners phone.
Knowing the camera was only a short distance away, he jumped into his ute and got there just in time to see it half way up the 8' exclusion fence that had
hot wires on both sides, and shot it.
Not only had it learned to climb,,, but somehow it also evaded the hot wire half way up.

That dog had been getting in and out,, at will for weeks,, and killing heaps of goats within the exclusion zone.

IMG_0239.jpeg

I remember hearing about that one... absolute prick of a dog... Caught it halfway up the fence... worst thing about that one is it was climbing the fence and killing just for the sheer heck of it... wasnt even eating it's kills if I remember correctly

Methinks your confusing it with another dog.

The one pictured was entirely different,, because that was the remarkable thing about it. It ate almost 100% of its kills, leaving only the main hind leg bones and the skulls.The hides/wool was left almost inside out and was virtually fleshed.

The land owner offered me $2,000 if I could shoot it or trap it.

I spent many nights there,, to no avail.
It never turned up or killed inside the exclusion fence while I was there.
If I took a night off it seemed to know,,,,,, and invariably sheep and goats were taken on those nights.

[Harrison S]

@tuknal...

Not having a go at you mate... but farming is a hard gig... im in the unique position of being able to see all sides of the story... I've done plenty of farming (only livestock) and I've also worked as a tradie... both is hard yakka... but there are huge differences... no1 being that there is no other industry other than agriculture (that I've ever seen) that has such massive price fluctuations within a 12 month period... no2 other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) that is so easily impacted by the weather... no3 other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) where its not a job, its your life, where one needs to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to survive & get ahead, there is no other industry where one can do so much work and get so luttle return if s**t hits the fan... and no4, other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) that is literally the backbone of the economy in every nation, yet gets so little recognition and support... and no5 there is no other industry other than agriculture that has had so minimal changes in product pricing over the past 50 years (referring to grain and such products)... thats the underlying reason for most of the government financial support... the Government wants to keep the price of food at a sustainable level...

True, agriculture gets a lots of government help in a lot of ways... but at the same time, the government also hamstrings the industry and makes it difficult every step of the way... farming is one of the hardest jobs there is... theres no doubt about it... its a constantly varying job with a million variables within every scenario...

Like I said... not having a crack... just saying... tradies work 12 hrs then go home... farmers work Dawn till dusk and then are still on call if anything goes wrong in between.... most tradies get weekends off... Im yet to meet a farmer that does.... like I said... I farm my own beef (I dont make my living off farming, coz that would be too ruddy difficult in this day and age)... ive worked in construction all my working life... ive worked in the city and country... was born in the country, raised in the country... now work in the city and spend any time i get in the country... all jobs are hard but there are a select few that are notoriously difficult, and farming is one of them...

all good mate i agree with abit of what your saying
but are you saying grain/sheep and cattle prices have only had small change in 50yrs?, yeah commodities like ,wheat barley etc do fluctuate but its the name of the game
if your a plumber and you get s**t on your hand do you whinge about it ?? you chose the job you know what your in for
a big farming fella from here said it perfectly when some non farmer asked about the drought ,,he said if your in this game and you havent prepared for bad times then your an idiot cos there's one guarantee they will come
most of the bigger farmers around here are pretty good they dont carry on when thing are getting tight ,theyve been there before
and as far as dawn till dusk 24/7 yeah at times ,but not all the time and it depends on scale big timers with feedlots/machinery going day night yeah
but the smaller fellas its hardly the case ,,whos ringing them telling them about any problem on there place if no ones there out in the paddocks ??NO ONE theyll find out when their out there or the farm hands find it ,,
and if they were chained to the place they would never have time to go fishing down the coast to the holiday home or use their big flash ski boats and other toys or trips up north fishing ,,no to mention being in the pub ,,
im sure this can be an issue for some but not all


big scale( really any size tho ) farming ie cropping is a gamble but when it comes off it pays big and around here theyve had about 4 good years on the trott
,i dont see any cocky complianing then ,,oh yeah down graded wheat /barley ,,but they got twice the yield which made up for it
but ive seen some lately (yes a rare few ) come into town fill the fuel carts some with 3 and bleed the town out
some dont give a f*** about anyone else ,we have to wait
i bet most on here would love an interest free loan or deferred payment loan or a diesel rebate or some of the benifits from primary production

had one not long ago tell me he shouldve been a tradie that where the moneys at we're then new millionaires
,,i told him ill swap bank accounts and jobs with you tomorrow
he said i have to take the debt too ,,i said fine ,doesn't seem like your having issues servicing it and you own alot more than me
he didnt go much on that

i know it sounds like im having a dig at the cockys ,i guess in some ways im having a stab ,which i do to my farming mates ,no nastiness it called hanging s**t on your mates ,, you know the old ,,here we go poor farmer ,they just laugh dont worry i get it back from them too,, but most know its a good life and they wouldnt want it any other way


but this all started from a flog that makes out hes big farmer that didnt like the fact i said there were other ways to control ferals than just shooting and i dared use the words government incentives/grants in a reply

100%... theres good an bad in everything.. reality is, the government is so far removed from every industry that matters in this country, that if we (they) continue on the same path we won't have anything left...

[Harrison S]

i get the problems with dogs a mate works on the LLS as a trapper and ive seen what they can do
they are a REAL problem in areas no doubt ,not so much out here but i have shot 1 and i know of a few others ,not many tho
ive been told of hot wires put in around the bylong valley area and it has made a big help (shooting alone will never stop any problem feral)
still costs i know but were not talking new fences

So, You've shot a dog, ??

Well your off to a good start.

Hot wires don't solve all problems either.
The dog in the trail cam pic was taken and sent to the landowners phone.
Knowing the camera was only a short distance away, he jumped into his ute and got there just in time to see it half way up the 8' exclusion fence that had
hot wires on both sides, and shot it.
Not only had it learned to climb,,, but somehow it also evaded the hot wire half way up.

That dog had been getting in and out,, at will for weeks,, and killing heaps of goats within the exclusion zone.

IMG_0239.jpeg

I remember hearing about that one... absolute prick of a dog... Caught it halfway up the fence... worst thing about that one is it was climbing the fence and killing just for the sheer heck of it... wasnt even eating it's kills if I remember correctly

Methinks your confusing it with another dog.

The one pictured was entirely different,, because that was the remarkable thing about it. It ate almost 100% of its kills, leaving only the main hind leg bones and the skulls.The hides/wool was left almost inside out and was virtually fleshed.

The land owner offered me $2,000 if I could shoot it or trap it.

I spent many nights there,, to no avail.
It never turned up or killed inside the exclusion fence while I was there.
If I took a night off it seemed to know,,,,,, and invariably sheep and goats were taken on those nights.

What a coot... needed a good thrashing then

[tuknal]

@tuknal...

Not having a go at you mate... but farming is a hard gig... im in the unique position of being able to see all sides of the story... I've done plenty of farming (only livestock) and I've also worked as a tradie... both is hard yakka... but there are huge differences... no1 being that there is no other industry other than agriculture (that I've ever seen) that has such massive price fluctuations within a 12 month period... no2 other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) that is so easily impacted by the weather... no3 other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) where its not a job, its your life, where one needs to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to survive & get ahead, there is no other industry where one can do so much work and get so luttle return if s**t hits the fan... and no4, other than agriculture there is no other industry (that I've seen) that is literally the backbone of the economy in every nation, yet gets so little recognition and support... and no5 there is no other industry other than agriculture that has had so minimal changes in product pricing over the past 50 years (referring to grain and such products)... thats the underlying reason for most of the government financial support... the Government wants to keep the price of food at a sustainable level...

True, agriculture gets a lots of government help in a lot of ways... but at the same time, the government also hamstrings the industry and makes it difficult every step of the way... farming is one of the hardest jobs there is... theres no doubt about it... its a constantly varying job with a million variables within every scenario...

Like I said... not having a crack... just saying... tradies work 12 hrs then go home... farmers work Dawn till dusk and then are still on call if anything goes wrong in between.... most tradies get weekends off... Im yet to meet a farmer that does.... like I said... I farm my own beef (I dont make my living off farming, coz that would be too ruddy difficult in this day and age)... ive worked in construction all my working life... ive worked in the city and country... was born in the country, raised in the country... now work in the city and spend any time i get in the country... all jobs are hard but there are a select few that are notoriously difficult, and farming is one of them...

all good mate i agree with abit of what your saying
but are you saying grain/sheep and cattle prices have only had small change in 50yrs?, yeah commodities like ,wheat barley etc do fluctuate but its the name of the game
if your a plumber and you get s**t on your hand do you whinge about it ?? you chose the job you know what your in for
a big farming fella from here said it perfectly when some non farmer asked about the drought ,,he said if your in this game and you havent prepared for bad times then your an idiot cos there's one guarantee they will come
most of the bigger farmers around here are pretty good they dont carry on when thing are getting tight ,theyve been there before
and as far as dawn till dusk 24/7 yeah at times ,but not all the time and it depends on scale big timers with feedlots/machinery going day night yeah
but the smaller fellas its hardly the case ,,whos ringing them telling them about any problem on there place if no ones there out in the paddocks ??NO ONE theyll find out when their out there or the farm hands find it ,,
and if they were chained to the place they would never have time to go fishing down the coast to the holiday home or use their big flash ski boats and other toys or trips up north fishing ,,no to mention being in the pub ,,
im sure this can be an issue for some but not all


big scale( really any size tho ) farming ie cropping is a gamble but when it comes off it pays big and around here theyve had about 4 good years on the trott
,i dont see any cocky complianing then ,,oh yeah down graded wheat /barley ,,but they got twice the yield which made up for it
but ive seen some lately (yes a rare few ) come into town fill the fuel carts some with 3 and bleed the town out
some dont give a f*** about anyone else ,we have to wait
i bet most on here would love an interest free loan or deferred payment loan or a diesel rebate or some of the benifits from primary production

had one not long ago tell me he shouldve been a tradie that where the moneys at we're then new millionaires
,,i told him ill swap bank accounts and jobs with you tomorrow
he said i have to take the debt too ,,i said fine ,doesn't seem like your having issues servicing it and you own alot more than me
he didnt go much on that

i know it sounds like im having a dig at the cockys ,i guess in some ways im having a stab ,which i do to my farming mates ,no nastiness it called hanging s**t on your mates ,, you know the old ,,here we go poor farmer ,they just laugh dont worry i get it back from them too,, but most know its a good life and they wouldnt want it any other way


but this all started from a flog that makes out hes big farmer that didnt like the fact i said there were other ways to control ferals than just shooting and i dared use the words government incentives/grants in a reply

100%... theres good an bad in everything.. reality is, the government is so far removed from every industry that matters in this country, that if we (they) continue on the same path we won't have anything left...

totally agree mate

[perentie]

Just came across this. Its old news but may be of interest.
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/indus ... try-leader